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[St. Eve]

Eye tink evriyune shud be baisecksual cus dat wud bi fer 4 evriun.

[Negam]

^Do you ever visit the forums, St. Eve?

[jlb524]

Ravensword wrote...
Why can't we just have all bi LIs?

Because the gayness needs to safely be corralled into one or two LIs so some people can sleep at night.

[St. Eve]

Negam wrote...

^Do you ever visit the forums, St. Eve?

I avoid them most of the time.

Modifié par St. Eve, 20 novembre 2011 - 06:11 .

[St. Eve]

Move along, citizens. Nothing to see here.

Modifié par St. Eve, 20 novembre 2011 - 06:10 .

[slimgrin]

jlb524 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Why can't we just have all bi LIs?

Because the gayness needs to safely be corralled into one or two LIs so some people can sleep at night.

I hope that's not what you take away from my argument.

[Ravensword]

jlb524 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Why can't we just have all bi LIs?

Because the gayness needs to safely be corralled into one or two LIs so some people can sleep at night.

If it wasn't for all bi LIs in DA2, I wouldn't have been able to have my LadyHawke romance Merrill, and now for ME3, it doesn't look like my canon FemShep will be able to romance Tali. This aggression will not stand, man.

[St. Eve]

My apologies for the double post.
Have this picture as an indemnification.

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Why can't we just have all bi LIs?

Because the gayness needs to safely be corralled into one or two LIs so some people can sleep at night.

I hope that's not what you take away from my argument.

What else am I supposed to take away?

Your 'argument' is full of holes and contradictions which tells me there's something else going on.

I know people who play hetero characters are used to having 'their own special LIs' that they don't have to share with 'teh gayz' which is why some of them reacted so violently against DA2.

[Knight of Flowers]

slimgrin wrote...




I hope that's not what you take away from my argument.

All I take away is 'My nebulous concept of 'character consistency' is more important than gay and lesbian players getting the experience they want from the game.' 

[jlb524]

Ravensword wrote...
If it wasn't for all bi LIs in DA2, I wouldn't have been able to have my LadyHawke romance Merrill,

Settle for Isabela.

Ravensword wrote...
and now for ME3, it doesn't look like my canon FemShep will be able to romance Tali. This aggression will not stand, man.

That's the spirit!

[Ravensword]

jlb524 wrote...

Settle for Isabela.

I don't settle. Ah, what the hell. Isabela is a nice lady. I would take her out to the Blooming Rose b/c I'm such a classy guy and my LadyHawke is such a classy gal.

That's the spirit!

The dude abides.

Modifié par Ravensword, 20 novembre 2011 - 06:34 .

[Abispa]

I am going to assume for the sake of argument that homophobia is not at the root of the objection, but that it is a trait of many Bioware fans who can, at times, take a fanatical stance on "My personal headcanon is the TRUE version of the game! Bioware better not cater to anyone who disagrees with it!"

In areas that have NOTHING to do with sexual orientation, I've run into this phenomenon with some Merrill and Miranda fans. If you DARE argue that the "rivalry path" with Merrill makes more sense to you than the "friendship path," you risk being personally insulted and having your motivations accused of being a desire to torment her rather than showing concern for a friend.

If you argue that Miranda's "I quit" at the end of ME2 was the final bizarre act in a series of scenes where Miranda goes from being Alpha female renegade to a paragon Shepard groupie, you're accused of being 1) a man who is afraid of strong women, or 2) a whining feminist that's offended by her confident sexuality.

In my "headcanon," the Tali sex scene is a blatant and badly written fan service that violates Quarian lore that has been explicitly established in ME games (unlike those who ASSUME that all the LIs are "straight").

I can see her falling in love with Shepard, but the "let's get it on with some magic Mordin sex gel" pushes credulity to the breaking point. Do I whine for pages about that scene? No. My Shepard says 1) "I like you Tali, but you'll get sick," or 2) "Shoo, brat. You bother me." A Talimancer being made happy in his game doesn't effect me in mine. I never see the scene that ruins my headcanon.

[Chromie]

Knight of Flowers wrote...

slimgrin wrote...




I hope that's not what you take away from my argument.

All I take away is 'My nebulous concept of 'character consistency' is more important than gay and lesbian players getting the experience they want from the game.' 

Mass Effect 1, Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2 I don't think they need to keep ****ing because clearly Bioware has characters are gay,straight or bi. In DA2's case there is the magic bi button. So that really shouldn't be an excuse.

[jlb524]

Ringo12 wrote...

Mass Effect 1, Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2 I don't think they need to keep ****ing because clearly Bioware has characters are gay,straight or bi. In DA2's case there is the magic bi button. So that really shouldn't be an excuse.

Huh?  What gay characters?

Abispa wrote...
I am going to assume for the sake of argument that homophobia is not at the root of the objection, but that it is a trait of many Bioware fans who can, at times, take a fanatical stance on "My personal headcanon is the TRUE version of the game! Bioware better not cater to anyone who disagrees with it!"

I think the s/s romance thing is a bit different, though.  The opponents aren't simply saying that romancing character X with the same gender is 'wrong', i.e., not the right way to romance them (I really wouldn't give a crap if this is all they said).  They want that option to be completely stricken from the game period.

Saying that 'you suck!' for doing the Merrill rival path is one thing but I don't recall anyone fighting against the mere addition of rival paths in BW games, or the addition of Merrill's rival path in particular.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[syllogi]

Ringo12 wrote...

Mass Effect 1, Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2 I don't think they need to keep ****ing because clearly Bioware has characters are gay,straight or bi. In DA2's case there is the magic bi button. So that really shouldn't be an excuse.

In Mass Effect 1, I wanted to romance Ashley, but I was not allowed.  In Dragon Age Origins, I was not allowed to romance Morrigan.  In Mass Effect 2 I was not allowed to romance Miranda.  Why should I be forced to settle for the romances dictated by my chosen gender, or else play a character I don't enjoy, just to experience those romances?

Yeah, I didn't see a "magic bi button" in DA2, but I also didn't have to stress out over not getting the choices I would have preferred when it came to romance.  Only Anders has the potential to flirt even once, without my character making the first move, and that's easily preventable with the right dialogue choices.  What about this set up is so objectionable?

[slimgrin]

I don't think Bioware has ever done a gay character. Shame on them, being one-upped by CDPR in yet another category.

Perhaps one day they'll muster enough courage to do so.

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...
I don't think Bioware has ever done a gay character.

Juhani in KotOR.

slimgrin wrote...
Shame on them, being one-upped by CDPR in yet another category.

Perhaps one day they'll muster enough courage to do so.

I think BW is miles ahead of CDPR because they allow you to play as a gay character and give you romance options (and sometimes even choices like in DA2).

[Chromie]

TeenZombie wrote...


In Mass Effect 1, I wanted to romance Ashley, but I was not allowed.  In Dragon Age Origins, I was not allowed to romance Morrigan.  In Mass Effect 2 I was not allowed to romance Miranda.  Why should I be forced to settle for the romances dictated by my chosen gender, or else play a character I don't enjoy, just to experience those romances?

Because it's more realistic. You don't have to settle you can *shocker* not have a romance even. Too much fuss is made over the romance and not the actual story to the point were the story feels like it's being ignored. You can't just force someone to change sexual orientation just because you want does that mean games can't follow this?

jlb524 wrote...

I think BW is miles ahead of CDPR because they allow you to play as a gay character and give you romance options (and sometimes even choices like in DA2).

No gay character in a Bioware game will ever be better than Dethmold.

Modifié par Ringo12, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:04 .

[bleetman]

Did Witcher 1 have homosexual characters in it, then? Because the only one I remember in Witcher 2 was this guy, and I had a hard time viewing that particular revelation as something other than a quick 'look at how depraved this guy is!' attribute just before you break in with Roche.

[Xilizhra]

Because it's more realistic. You don't have to settle you can *shocker* not have a romance even. Too much fuss is made over the romance and not the actual story to the point were the story feels like it's being ignored. You can't just force someone to change sexual orientation just because you want does that mean games can't follow this?

And yet you people freak out over content that has nothing to do with anything other than romance? How consistent.

[shepskisaac]

Ringo12 wrote...

Because it's more realistic.

ME shows time and time again realism doesn't matter when it comes to availability of LIs. 90% of ManShep's female squadmate being into him? Check! Not caring at all about Shep's actions & morals, even if he's a serial killer woman beater? Check! Not caring at all about Shep's looks? Check. So don't even start with the 'realism' argument lol

[slimgrin]

bleetman wrote...

Did Witcher 1 have homosexual characters in it, then? Because the only one I remember in Witcher 2 was this guy, and I had a hard time viewing that particular revelation as something other than a quick 'look at how depraved this guy is!' attribute just before you break in with Roche.

In the books, Phillipa Eilhart is bi, in the game she's clearly a lesbian. 

I think what is being ignored is that every character needs a degree of internal logic to be credible. Switching sexual orientation on the fly compromises this.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:14 .

[syllogi]

Ringo12 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


In Mass Effect 1, I wanted to romance Ashley, but I was not allowed.  In Dragon Age Origins, I was not allowed to romance Morrigan.  In Mass Effect 2 I was not allowed to romance Miranda.  Why should I be forced to settle for the romances dictated by my chosen gender, or else play a character I don't enjoy, just to experience those romances?

Because it's more realistic. You don't have to settle you can *shocker* not have a romance even. Too much fuss is made over the romance and not the actual story to the point were the story feels like it's being ignored. You can't just force someone to change sexual orientation just because you want does that mean games can't follow this?

So why are you playing video games at all, if you want strict realism?  In real life, there is no lyrium or element zero.  I'm perfectly willing to suspend disbelief when it comes to every other aspect of these fantasy and sci-fi games, and it doesn't bother me that I am able to flirt with whomever I want to in DA2...which is really, more realistic than the system of ME1, DA:O, and ME2, which doesn't give me the dialogue options to flirt with my desired options at all.  Maybe I'd get shut down by these people if it were real life, but this isn't real life.  I will never get to flirt with a genetically modified leader of a pro-humanity terrorist organization, or an apostate witch raised in the wilderness by a legendary sorceress, in real life.  More is the pity.

[bleetman]

Ringo12 wrote...

No gay character in a Bioware game will ever be better than Dethmold.

I don't think 'better' means what you think it means.

I mean, what? This is supposed to be something to aspire to?

slimgrin wrote...

I think what is being ignored is that every character needs a degree of internal logic to be credible. Switching sexual orientation on the fly compromises this.

Well, I suppose I ought to apologise for being internally illogical myself, then. Liking women and men? Absurd.

Modifié par bleetman, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:19 .