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[Olive Oomph]

I really like the idea of romance options not being on your squad and I even would want the possiblity to romance people, who even aren't on the ship, because they have no place there, like Emily Wong or Gianna Parasini. Every time you visit them after a certain amount of missions your dialogue progresses.
I know the third game is an "all out war"-story, so no place in the galaxy is safe and it might not be possible to go back to every major world during the whole game. But maybe we could kind of rescue them at some point in the game and bring them along as a civilian. Last time I checked the captain's cabin was big enough for two.
Same goes for ME2 squaddies, who are not part of the core squad and we don't yet know, how much time we will spent with them. But they are not s/s options, though kind of off-topic, but I romanced them anyway with a male Shepard and would be still interested in this and not even bothered, if I couldn't use them for battle at all.

Modifié par Olive Oomph, 26 novembre 2011 - 06:09 .

[Abispa]

OseH57 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Tali, Garrus, Miri, Thane etc. are basically out of question.

I've been stalwartly avoiding spoilers for ME3, going so far as to not watch any trailers, but the temptation to find out who the s/s options would be was too great! I've been trying not to get my hopes up for Garrus seeing as I thought it rather unlikely (no matter what, Garrus and Shep will always have the most epic bromance evar!), but I cant help but feel a little disappointed. Is this 100% certain?

The only thing that is 100% certain is that there is no Krogan love...



...and that there is no evidence that "new" romances can be started with the cast introduced with ME2, though romances do continue onto this game.

It looks like "new" romances can be started with the VS and Liara. I'd argue that it is because there is something "new" about them that wasn't available in the first two games. Otherwise you could just use the "create a save" prologue and say that the VS has been your o/s lover since ME1.

There is no evidence that a s/s relationship can be started with Garrus or Tali, but you can always hope that the leaked script is incomplete. I would be stunned, but happy, if they turned out to be s/s options in ME3.

[Sealy]

Just make everyone bi again Bioware, people got over it with Dragon Age. Let the haters hate and everyone will get what they want no matter what they want. It will be like magic, that doesn't hurt anyone. Forget realism, this isn't a documentry.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 26 novembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[ElitePinecone]

Olive Oomph wrote...

I really like the idea of romance options not being on your squad and I even would want the possiblity to romance people, who even aren't on the ship, because they have no place there, like Emily Wong or Gianna Parasini. Every time you visit them after a certain amount of missions your dialogue progresses.
I know the third game is an "all out war"-story, so no place in the galaxy is safe and it might not be possible to go back to every major world during the whole game. But maybe we could kind of rescue them at some point in the game and bring them along as a civilian. Last time I checked the captain's cabin was big enough for two.
Same goes for ME2 squaddies, who are not part of the core squad and we don't yet know, how much time we will spent with them. But they are not s/s options, though kind of off-topic, but I romanced them anyway with a male Shepard and would be still interested in this and not even bothered, if I couldn't use them for battle at all.

There are a couple (maybe more) 'civilian' romance options, although they may be closer to flings, in ME3. 

Not necessarily with Wong or Parasini (although they could always be options), but there's at least one character who is an option of some sort. 

Only thing is, these characters aren't available choices when someone asks who Shepard's LI is (lines may be missing in that bit, however) - so they might be something similar to a one night stand. 

[Eustacia]

ElitePinecone wrote...


There are a couple (maybe more) 'civilian' romance options, although they may be closer to flings, in ME3. 

Not necessarily with Wong or Parasini (although they could always be options), but there's at least one character who is an option of some sort. 

Only thing is, these characters aren't available choices when someone asks who Shepard's LI is (lines may be missing in that bit, however) - so they might be something similar to a one night stand. 

Wow, how many romances will this game be filled with? So far it sounds like a lot!

I'm all for one-night stands, though.

Modifié par Eustacia, 26 novembre 2011 - 08:12 .

[ElitePinecone]

There are (at least) 6 'new' romances (though some with familiar characters, and counting the VS twice) who are mentioned as LIs in dialogue choices. We don't know which are available for which gender, (or any gender), except that one seems to be exclusively gay and one exclusively lesbian.

Then there are probably a couple of chances for one-night stands, at least according to the dialogue.

Then if Shepard romanced any of the ME2 LIs (and Kelly), when they appear in ME3, if alive, they can have a romance conversation and have them as their 'LI' as answers to conversation questions.

So... a lot.

[Vapaa]

ElitePinecone wrote...

There are a couple (maybe more) 'civilian' romance options, although they may be closer to flings, in ME3.

Wait....what ?
So we'll be able to "romance" (ie. one night stand) some random civilian and possibliy not have a full and deep romance with a full squad member (Tali, Garrus) ? Tell me I'm wrong

[Sealy]

Okay, colour me dumb but who on Illiums blue planet is VS?

[shepskisaac]

Fleshdress wrote...

Okay, colour me dumb but who on Illiums blue planet is VS?

Virginal Sentinel

[Cathey]

I hope these two new characters do stay as they are. I would love BW more than ever and give hope for romances like those happening again in future BW games. *cuddles BW*

ME3 is sounding more awesome by the day, though. The wait is getting more painful!

Modifié par Cathey, 26 novembre 2011 - 12:58 .

[Sealy]

Bah, I hope we get a s/s option that is somwewhat like Thane in build, cause Vega looks... Brawny. My boys like their boys lean and athletic, more swimmer/runner then body builder.

[ElitePinecone]

Vapaä wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

There are a couple (maybe more) 'civilian' romance options, although they may be closer to flings, in ME3.

Wait....what ?
So we'll be able to "romance" (ie. one night stand) some random civilian and possibliy not have a full and deep romance with a full squad member (Tali, Garrus) ? Tell me I'm wrong

It isn't a random civilian, necessarily. 

There is (are?) significant (but optional) civilian character(s) who you can bring aboard the Normandy and who fill roles in the story. 

The 'confirmed' romancable one (and there are possibly more) is a journalist (a new character to ME3), although we aren't sure if she's available for femShep, maleShep or both. The lines don't really make it out to be a one-night stand (I'm using the term to distinguish these LIs from characters you can officially 'romance', and call your love interest in other conversations), but it doesn't seem as deep as the other romances, based on what we can understand from the dialogue. 

At this point, Tali and Garrus only have romance lines with Sheps who imported them as an LI from ME2. There's no opportunity to start a new romance and no s/s options. 

Bioware won't be able to satisfy everyone, unfortunately. That's the nature of game development. 

[ElitePinecone]

Fleshdress wrote...

Okay, colour me dumb but who on Illiums blue planet is VS?

VS stands for Virmire Survivor - either Ashley or Kaidan. 

It's just an easy way to refer to both of them, especially since Bioware have started treating them as practically the same character (or at least interchangable as squadmates and in story roles for ME3).

It means that while ME3 might have 7 romance options as far as we know, the player will, at most, only get 6, because both Ashley and Kaidan can't be alive in the same playthrough. 

(Though in reality the player would have less than 6 available, because at least two are exclusively s/s and some others might be exclusively o/s). 

[Vapaa]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Bioware won't be able to satisfy everyone, unfortunately. That's the nature of game development.

Yes, I know. In fact not having Tali as S/S option, won't bother me that much. But not having romance option with such an iconic character but instead having some one-night stand with a NPC that has no bond with Shepard......I just can't understand.

[Ravensword]

I don't know why they didn't go the route of making every LI available to all genders.

[wolf99000]

Ravensword wrote...

I don't know why they didn't go the route of making every LI available to all genders.

its a shame they cannot have something like the comic that lets you pick decsions at the start so you can pick who is bi and gay and not in each game you play I know it would cost bioware more recording the lines for every one all 3 ways but would make it easy and it would stop the moaning of no s/s mob

[ODST 3]

Chun Hei wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

I'm not gay but I see no reason Bioware shouldn't include the option for all those same sexers out there. It's not like romance dialogue takes up a huge part of the script.

Thank you. Not every s/s fan is gay though. A lot of guys like to play lesbians which is fine as long as they are not hypocritical about it and complain about the males being availabe for gay Shepard. And we have had some straight women like me who like to play gay Hawkes and cannot wait to see Shepard get some snuggle-bunnies with Kaidan, Vega and whoever else is available. I will probably get around to saving the galaxy eventually.

Now that you mention it, if they include lesbian romance, theres no way I'm missing out on the hotness.

[Athayniel]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Probably because with non-bi LIs (both gay and straight), they gain the freedom to give the romance more gender-specific and less general, one-size-fits-all lines. Morrigan in DA:O is a good example of this.

There's nothing about Morrigan's romance that couldn't have had just as much if not more emotional impact if she were in a relationship with a female PC.

[Ravensword]

wolf99000 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I don't know why they didn't go the route of making every LI available to all genders.

its a shame they cannot have something like the comic that lets you pick decsions at the start so you can pick who is bi and gay and not in each game you play I know it would cost bioware more recording the lines for every one all 3 ways but would make it easy and it would stop the moaning of no s/s mob

I like that idea, but I think that might cause widespread controversy and is almost similar to the dreaded gay toggle. You almost get the feeling that Faux News would run a fluff piece about how in ME3 you can choose the sexual orientation of an LI and they would be like, "Oh noes they can pick teh gehys! Git yer gunz cuz Amercan civilization is goin' downs da tubez! HAXOR!!"

[syllogi]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Athayniel wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Probably because with non-bi LIs (both gay and straight), they gain the freedom to give the romance more gender-specific and less general, one-size-fits-all lines. Morrigan in DA:O is a good example of this.

There's nothing about Morrigan's romance that couldn't have had just as much if not more emotional impact if she were in a relationship with a female PC.

Personally, I don't think it would have fit her character, but that's besides the point. She makes reference to how "manly" the Warden is at one point, as I recall. As well, the whole "God Baby" plot certainly would not have worked with a female Warden. Similarly, Alistair wouldn't have worked the same with a man; the whole "giving the Warden a rose because he thinks the Warden is beautiful" thing doesn't really make sense if the Warden is male.

The God Baby plot would have worked, because there's always Alistair or Loghain to ask, if the Warden is female.  A female Warden who was in a relationship with Morrigan would have just as much to feel as a male, especially since Morrigan would be asking her lover to ask some dude to participate in this ritual, which obviously would evoke a emotional response.  That's like saying that Alistair's romance only works with a female Cousland, which is not true, it's just different.

As for Morrigan calling the Warden manly, I would hope that if there was a romance for female players with her, she would have something else to say in that spot.  It's not that hard to imagine.  If your point is that Morrigan likes "manly" men, it's entirely possible for bisexual individuals to be attracted to "manly" men *and* "feminine" women.

Why can't a man give another man a rose?  Maybe the dialogue would have been different, but what would be more "manly" in that scene?  Alistair could very well have an entirely different scene with a male companion, but it's kind of silly to say that men don't ever like or want flowers, especially from a loved one.

If a cute, shy, virginal female character gave a male character a rose in their romance, would you have a problem with that?

[Abispa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Personally, I don't think it would have fit her character, but that's besides the point. She makes reference to how "manly" the Warden is at one point, as I recall. As well, the whole "God Baby" plot certainly would not have worked with a female Warden. Similarly, Alistair wouldn't have worked the same with a man; the whole "giving the Warden a rose because he thinks the Warden is beautiful" thing doesn't really make sense if the Warden is male.

As is the case of DA2, you can have some slightly different lines that personalizes the o/s and s/s romances with the same character, and it could have been done easily with Morrigan and Alistair and still kept them "in character." I can't remembe which thread it was, but he moderator did say that the DA:O writers thought Alistair could have been "bi" easily if Zevran didn't make their quota of s/s lovers. In another thread the moderator said they always wanted Morrigan to be "straight." While I support "bi" being the default position for LIs, I also believe that the writers should be able to restrict the characters' access if they want to, like they did with Aveline and Sebastian.

And it is possible to have the "god baby" in a game with a female Warden, so I don't see how it would have been impossible with a lesbian one.

[Athayniel]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Personally, I don't think it would have fit her character, but that's besides the point. She makes reference to how "manly" the Warden is at one point, as I recall. As well, the whole "God Baby" plot certainly would not have worked with a female Warden. Similarly, Alistair wouldn't have worked the same with a man; the whole "giving the Warden a rose because he thinks the Warden is beautiful" thing doesn't really make sense if the Warden is male.

None of those things are things that can't have an analogue in an s/s relationship with those characters. Instead of calling a female warden 'manly' Morrigan could always have described her as alluring or captivating. The god baby can't even be brought up as an example because it is *already* possible to have her do the deed with Alistair or Loghain. None of these things are so intrinsic to the romance as to prevent it from being s/s. The same applies to Alistair's romance. He already cannot elevate a dwarf, elf or mage warden to be his queen. Adding male wardens to that list changes nothing.

There is *nothing* about either of those romances that requires the warden to be of the opposite sex. It being ooc for Morrigan is a valid argument but then again her characterisation would have been expanded to include a preference for the same sex in playthroughs with a female wardens if they had chosen to take her story that way.

You speak as if these aren't fictional characters whose personalities and predilections weren't at the whim of the writers who created them.