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[Eustacia]

bas_kon wrote...

And why straight males are so concern about gay people being represented in games all of a sudden?
I'm not straight myself and I don't give a damn, I don't want any awkward mention to something that for a lot of people IRL is not an issue.
I just want to have fun, and the same choices without having to mandatory play one sex or the other.

What's not an issue? Being gay? Um, wanna switch lives (or worlds)?

Modifié par Eustacia, 26 novembre 2011 - 10:46 .

[slimgrin]

jlb524 wrote...


You fail to understand that I think allowing digital nooky for homosexual PCs in equal amounts to what heterosexual PCs enjoy by default b/c they are a part of the 'special majority' is addressing a social issue and in a positive way.

In equal ammounts, eh? You call that addressing social issues? I call it a quota. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 26 novembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[jlb524]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...
Once again, ask me how I know.

But yeah, for the record, I have in the past posted on threads other than this one (not with this account). There was, for instance, a very engaging discussion of whether Shep having relationships with subordinates was deeply problematic, and whether ME2 did enough to address this.

How do you know?

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...
Sure, games can always take the Skyrim/Fable route. But if a game is marketed to me on its story, I would expect the events that happen in the story to make sense. (See also: various exhaustively discussed Shep-working-with-Cerberus-related plot holes.)

Okay, but that is a greater issue you have with the writing.  My question is....If they won't make these romances realistic in these other areas, should they continue to limit the options of homosexual PCs due to 'realism'?

slimgrin wrote...
In equal ammounts, eh? You call that addressing social issues? I call it a quota. 

What, ignoring the sexuality of the PC and giving them all equal options doesn't send a good message about sexuality?

Also, it's not a 'quota'.  What you are suggesting (a mix of gay, straight, bisexual) would need to deal with a quota of some sort.  How many gays do they add each game?  Bisexuals?  Straights?

Modifié par jlb524, 26 novembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[slimgrin]

jlb524 wrote...

What, ignoring the sexuality of the PC and giving them all equal options doesn't send a good message about sexuality?

You're a moving target.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

jlb524 wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...
Sure, games can always take the Skyrim/Fable route. But if a game is marketed to me on its story, I would expect the events that happen in the story to make sense. (See also: various exhaustively discussed Shep-working-with-Cerberus-related plot holes.)

Okay, but that is a greater issue you have with the writing.  My question is....If they won't make these romances realistic in these other areas, should they continue to limit the options of homosexual PCs due to 'realism'?

No, I think they should have exclusively straight, bisexual and exclusively gay LIs, because IRL people of each of those sexual orientations exist. Or, it would also be cool if they had a future where, for an in-universe reason, bisexuality's a lot more common than it seems to be in our day and age (like Beta Colony in the Vorkosigan books). I just want the story they tell to make sense, and I don't particularly care what form "making sense" takes.

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What, ignoring the sexuality of the PC and giving them all equal options doesn't send a good message about sexuality?

You're a moving target.

You don't want to answer the question?

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...
No, I think they should have exclusively straight, bisexual and exclusively gay LIs, because IRL people of each of those sexual orientations exist. 

Even when all other 'real life' criteria for romance is being ignored?

You don't see a problem with this? 

Modifié par jlb524, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:07 .

[slimgrin]

jlb524 wrote...

What, ignoring the sexuality of the PC and giving them all equal options doesn't send a good message about sexuality?

Well, it's a happy message. Easter bunny or Santa Claus happy.

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What, ignoring the sexuality of the PC and giving them all equal options doesn't send a good message about sexuality?

Well, it's a happy message. Easter bunny or Santa Claus happy.

Yeah...I guess that's a problem 

[shepskisaac]

Once again slimgrin & co, wanna fight for realism in romances' availability? Make a new thread about it with suggestions & demands for BioWare to take the realistic road in ALL romance availability factors* in their next game, franchise or another ME Trilogy.

*fighting for realism in ALL romance availabilty factors means you're gonna fight equally hard for realism based on morality & looks, NOT just sexual orientation. Especially in BioWare games where morality plays such a huge role I expect you to be actually much more focused on morals playing a huge part in restrcting access to certain LIs.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[slimgrin]

IsaacShep wrote...

Once again slimgrin & co, wanna fight for realism in romances' availability? Make a new thread about it with suggestions & demands for BioWare to take the realistic road in ALL romance availability factors in their next game, franchise or another ME Trilogy.

Yeah, that would last. 

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second. Hey, as long as all teh gays are happy..

Modifié par slimgrin, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:24 .

[Eustacia]

I just want to see the exclusively gay character mention something about his sexuality and the struggles that come with it (if that pertains to the lore of ME as it says nothing of the future of gay marriage and such; at least that I know of) because it can add an emotional depth / connection with my lonely gay shep.

Modifié par Eustacia, 27 novembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[shepskisaac]

slimgrin wrote...

Yeah, that would last.

Yes it would. It is a valid suggestion and design approach. If it's consistent, which means they would have to apprach all aspect of availability in a realistic way, not just sexual orientation.

slimgrin wrote...

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second.

Quality of story always came second when it was about availability of LIs in ME franchise. All bi would be 100% consistient with that.

slimgrin wrote...

Hey, as long as all teh gays are happy..

Yes, it only took 2 full games and a bunch of nonsense interviews to get to the point where teh gays can finally be at least partially as happy as straight players've been since day 1 of ME franchise.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:32 .

[Athayniel]

slimgrin wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Once again slimgrin & co, wanna fight for realism in romances' availability? Make a new thread about it with suggestions & demands for BioWare to take the realistic road in ALL romance availability factors in their next game, franchise or another ME Trilogy.

Yeah, that would last. 

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second. Hey, as long as all teh gays are happy..

And again with the singling out of homosexuals, in a snarky way as well, when you claim your problem is one applicable across the breadth of available romance options. And you wonder why we believe you have a double standard....

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...
Yeah, that would last. 

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second. Hey, as long as all teh gays are happy..

That sounds cowardly.

Fight for the realism!  

Do you know how many 'Fight for the Love' type threads were locked in the past?  I lost count.

Also, it's not just 'teh gays' that are made happy by this, but all 'dose straights' and 'dem bisexuals' too. 

[Xilizhra]

slimgrin wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Once again slimgrin & co, wanna fight for realism in romances' availability? Make a new thread about it with suggestions & demands for BioWare to take the realistic road in ALL romance availability factors in their next game, franchise or another ME Trilogy.

Yeah, that would last. 

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second. Hey, as long as all teh gays are happy..

Intriguing. You want to make social statements in favor of gays, but don't care about any actual gay people?

[shepskisaac]

jlb524 wrote...

Also, it's not just 'teh gays' that are made happy by this, but all 'dose straights' and 'dem bisexuals' too.

Nonsense. Everyone knows bisexuals don't exist and straight women hate looking at two guys together just like straight guys hate watching lesb... Ohh wait.

[slimgrin]

Xilizhra wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Once again slimgrin & co, wanna fight for realism in romances' availability? Make a new thread about it with suggestions & demands for BioWare to take the realistic road in ALL romance availability factors in their next game, franchise or another ME Trilogy.

Yeah, that would last. 

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second. Hey, as long as all teh gays are happy..

Intriguing. You want to make social statements in favor of gays, but don't care about any actual gay people?

I would hope Bioware addresses the issue just enough to set a foundation for the player to draw his/her own conclusion. This is what good story telling does. Others here want player choice instead, which isn't a bad thing. But I disagree with them. 

[Xilizhra]

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Once again slimgrin & co, wanna fight for realism in romances' availability? Make a new thread about it with suggestions & demands for BioWare to take the realistic road in ALL romance availability factors in their next game, franchise or another ME Trilogy.

Yeah, that would last. 

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second. Hey, as long as all teh gays are happy..

Intriguing. You want to make social statements in favor of gays, but don't care about any actual gay people?

I would hope Bioware addresses the issue just enough to set a foundation for the player to draw his/her own conclusion. This is what good story telling does. Others here want player choice instead, which isn't a bad thing. But I disagree with them. 

Well, given that the vast majority of gay/bisexual people here disagree with you, perhaps it's we who should decide what the best statements to make are.

[shepskisaac]

slimgrin wrote...

This is what good story telling does.

And when the rules of good story teling start being relevant to romances availability factors in ME franchise, we'll talk.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[ElitePinecone]

slimgrin wrote...

In the end, catering to fans is their priority, and quality of story comes second.

Finally, you understand!

Bioware make video games, not complex socio-political simulators. 

Scream about internal logic and realism all you want, but at the end of the day they design characters, romances and stories for people's enjoyment. For 'fun', as it were. 

[Abispa]

I don't argue for "all bi" meaning that the protagonist can sex everybody, only that "bi" or "hero sexual" is the default setting for all love interests. If the writers say that they want a character to be "gay" or "straight" for story reasons or because the writer feels that the character's integrity depends on it, then fine, make him/her "straight" or "gay."

DA2 wasn't "all bi." Only four of the five LIs were. One could argue that Sebastian was straight only because 1) he's deeply religious and while s/s couple aren't persecuted in DA, they aren't the "norm; or 2) he a royal when leaving the Chantry and continuing the family line is most important thing he can do in a relationship.

[Yuqi]

Any word on whether Tali and Miranda will be avalible for the girls?

[Eustacia]

Eustacia wrote...

I just want to see the exclusively gay character mention something about his sexuality and the struggles that come with it (if that pertains to the lore of ME as it says nothing of the future of gay marriage and such; at least that I know of) because it can add an emotional depth / connection with my lonely gay shep.

So nobody likes this idea? I thought it was a good RP tool...

[Abispa]

Yuqi wrote...

Any word on whether Tali and Miranda will be avalible for the girls?

Nothing is set in stone, but the leaked script gave no indication that one can start a "new" romance with either Miranda or Tali, though their romances are allowed to continue from ME2. Whether or not it remains the case depends how close to "final" the script is.