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Ziggy

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That's quite an old interview isn't it? And they did record the dialog for ss in me1 right so that's probably what she's referring to. I don't what to get my hopes up.

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wolf99000 wrote...

well according to the site I am reading there are going to be 7 in total 5 which they say are confirmed 2 fully s/s the rest will be bi plus the squadmates can hook up if you are not dating them 2 male squadmates can hook up with each other

that last bit will if right will drive the whole group who say they dont want s/s at all in there game nuts lol

Can you PM me where are you reading this? I haven't seen anything myself about any 2 guys (none of them Shep) hooking up

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IsaacShep wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

well according to the site I am reading there are going to be 7 in total 5 which they say are confirmed 2 fully s/s the rest will be bi plus the squadmates can hook up if you are not dating them 2 male squadmates can hook up with each other

that last bit will if right will drive the whole group who say they dont want s/s at all in there game nuts lol

Can you PM me where are you reading this? I haven't seen anything myself about any 2 guys (none of them Shep) hooking up


I'd also like a copy. It doesn't seem to match up at all with what we've seen from the leak. 

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Quething wrote...

Hey, you never know. Maybe there was a whole intense A/K affair that got left on the cutting room floor.


Interesting.  According to one of the writer's comments, they'd wanted to have one for un-Shep-romanced Ash/Kai but it didn't get fully included.  ^_^

Wonder if it was back when you could still save both from Virmire.  :crying:

*ahem*  Sorry.  Tangent.  Please enjoy this Ash/FemShep:

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Isaac Elite sending you the info now its just on another forum the guy has been posting news on there each day some of it is from the leaked script other info he has I am not sure where he is getting it from

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FireEye wrote...

Wonder if it was back when you could still save both from Virmire.  :crying:


You know, I liked the Virmire choice back when the game first came out. It was interesting and powerful and felt like a strong way to make Shep's decisions matter (even if it did lead to some awkward shared dialog later). But now that there are three whole bloody games, it feels incredibly wasteful to have a mandatory cutoff of a major character's storyline before the actual plot even reaches the halfway mark.

Though if they weren't likely to be dead for s/s Sheps and also sort of the same person to BioWare at this point, they probably wouldn't be so likely for s/s in ME3, so I suppose I shouldn't complain. (Except that they should have been available for s/s in ME1, so i guess I'll go ahead and do it anyway.)

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wolf99000 wrote...

Isaac Elite sending you the info now its just on another forum the guy has been posting news on there each day some of it is from the leaked script other info he has I am not sure where he is getting it from


Yeah, it seems to be based on the leaked script. Or, at least, all the interpretations they're making about character romances come from lines in the script. 

I don't think they're all accurate (or they're taking a line in the script as 'confirmation' when it's actually ambiguous). For example, the non-Shepard m/m romance they mentioned is based solely on very unclear lines that hint at a non-Shepard m/f romance for the same character. 

Given that there's no other sources of information, I don't think it's worth trusting. People on this forum have gone over the script a hundred times and many of the squadmates' romance information is still unclear, aside from a few educated guesses. 

When (or if) something new comes out, we'll be in a better position to guess about which LIs are for which genders. At the moment speculation without clear evidence (especially calling things 'confirmed') is just risking getting people's hopes up. 

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Can I get a PM, too? I'd appreciate it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 04 décembre 2011 - 02:23 .


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I'd really appreciate a PM as well.

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Arik7 wrote...

I'd really appreciate a PM as well.


There's nothing new in this information. It's someone's summary of the leaked data with a whole lot of speculation that doesn't really make sense, or isn't confirmed. 

You can find better summaries in the FftL Spoiler group thread. 

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shepskisaac

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Vote everyone: social.bioware.com/2594524/polls/27011/

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IsaacShep wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Not neccesarily true,  one must remember that Ash does have a thing for Kaidan if a male Shepard isn't around.

It's barely even implied and no sign of Kaidan having any interest in Ash so I have no idea where could Brooke get the idea of passionate love scenes with Raphael Sbarge except from the fact it's been a long time since she did her work on ME1 and probably forgot alot and messes names/charcters up


This can only mean one thing: The squadmate who DIDN'T survive Virmire is brought back through Project Lazarus and use long time ME fans are finally going to get that "passionate" threesome scene with either male OR female Shepard.

I'm pretty sure I saw some scenes that justify this claim somewhere in that leaked script.

:whistle:

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So the only reason they turned down the threesomes in ME1 was because they didn't like Liara?

Huh.

Jakarta wouldn't go for it, but Butcher!Shep would be on that like white on rice. I approve. :D

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Abispa wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Not neccesarily true,  one must remember that Ash does have a thing for Kaidan if a male Shepard isn't around.

It's barely even implied and no sign of Kaidan having any interest in Ash so I have no idea where could Brooke get the idea of passionate love scenes with Raphael Sbarge except from the fact it's been a long time since she did her work on ME1 and probably forgot alot and messes names/charcters up


This can only mean one thing: The squadmate who DIDN'T survive Virmire is brought back through Project Lazarus and use long time ME fans are finally going to get that "passionate" threesome scene with either male OR female Shepard.

I'm pretty sure I saw some scenes that justify this claim somewhere in that leaked script.

:whistle:


I dont think we will see the whole Lazarus project plot I dont even think they will mention the fact that shepard came back from the dead in me3 as others have said it could just be an old interview from a time when the whole who do you leave to die plot was in the game

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Abispa wrote...

This can only mean one thing: The squadmate who DIDN'T survive Virmire is brought back through Project Lazarus


...to track down Commander Shepard! In order to ensure the human resistance never exists!! :o

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IsaacShep wrote...

Vote everyone: social.bioware.com/2594524/polls/27011/


I voted. Curious about the "Just Ash" and "Just Kaidan", though.

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IsaacShep wrote...

Vote everyone: social.bioware.com/2594524/polls/27011/


Haha, I really love any time some really concerned earnest person is like "whoa, Ash can't be gay, that would be so wrong and out of character."

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Quething wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Vote everyone: social.bioware.com/2594524/polls/27011/


Haha, I really love any time some really concerned earnest person is like "whoa, Ash can't be gay, that would be so wrong and out of character."


lol shame they dont know she was going to be a romance for fem shep in mass effect 1

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Hmmm I have read the leaked script and there isnt much romance stuff in there at all. So im really not sure how they are interpreting all of this, tbh in parts the script made no sense at all.

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So, based on the(admittedly unfinished) script, it appears that at least two LIs are exclusively s/s romances. Not sure how to feel about that. On the one hand, its nice to see homosexuality portrayed in a game, and provided as an option for players. But on the other, this entire "Fight for the Love" movement was born out of providing options for players. So making these LIs exclusive to one sexual orientation(granted, an orientation that hasn't recieved as much attention in the gaming world) simply feels wrong.

If the Fight for the Love thread was so key to making these s/s romances happen, then making them exclusive seems to go against a key principle behind the movement in the first place.

But hey, who am I to complain? As a straight gamer, I've had it pretty easy as far as the romances in Bioware games go. Still doesn't feel good, since I like what I've heard about these new LIs so far.

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There's like 12 straight romances to choose from, I don't think anyone will care if we miss out on a 13th one.

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CastonFolarus wrote...
So, based on the(admittedly unfinished) script, it appears that at least two LIs are exclusively s/s romances. Not sure how to feel about that. On the one hand, its nice to see homosexuality portrayed in a game, and provided as an option for players.


I doubt they'll actually show homosexuality portrayed beyond:

MShep:  *hits on <spoiler>*
<spoiler>:  lol, nope...you're a dude.
MShep:  doh!

CastonFolarus wrote...
But on the other, this entire "Fight for the Love" movement was born out of providing options for players. So making these LIs exclusive to one sexual orientation(granted, an orientation that hasn't recieved as much attention in the gaming world) simply feels wrong.


I'm sympathetic with that attitude.

CastonFolarus wrote...
If the Fight for the Love thread was so key to making these s/s romances happen, then making them exclusive seems to go against a key principle behind the movement in the first place.


The movement's original intent was to get any kind of s/s romance added...so it was successful.

Some around here (including me) support the 'every LI is bisexual' thing (or, as I like to say, remove the damn gender constraints from romances) but not everyone agrees.  

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CastonFolarus wrote...

So, based on the(admittedly unfinished) script, it appears that at least two LIs are exclusively s/s romances. Not sure how to feel about that. On the one hand, its nice to see homosexuality portrayed in a game, and provided as an option for players. But on the other, this entire "Fight for the Love" movement was born out of providing options for players. So making these LIs exclusive to one sexual orientation(granted, an orientation that hasn't recieved as much attention in the gaming world) simply feels wrong.

If the Fight for the Love thread was so key to making these s/s romances happen, then making them exclusive seems to go against a key principle behind the movement in the first place.

But hey, who am I to complain? As a straight gamer, I've had it pretty easy as far as the romances in Bioware games go. Still doesn't feel good, since I like what I've heard about these new LIs so far.

I knew this would happen if they included exclusive s/s romances.  While I was all for it, I knew people would feel entitled to have everyone available for o/s romances and act like they were "cheated" if they did not get all romances o/s.  Then we get slimgrin (whatever his/her name is) complaining if you make some new people bi because "OMG bisexuals are so unrealistic!  My immersion!"  No matter what you do BSN disapproves.

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jlb524 wrote...

The movement's original intent was to get any kind of s/s romance added...so it was successful.

Some around here (including me) support the 'every LI is bisexual' thing (or, as I like to say, remove the damn gender constraints from romances) but not everyone agrees.  


What I mean is that a key part of the arguement for s/s romances was that keeping options open for players was a good thing. I know there's a lot of resistance to the 'all bisexual' option. The DA forums alone are evidence of that, and I can't imagine it's any less contentious here. But it seems to be the only fair way to go about the issue. Going the opposite direction is no more fair an arrangment than before, and it's just going to tick more people off.

But the spoilers(rough though they may be) do outline LIs that are exclusively s/s. It's not set in stone, but it's difficult to overlook the evidence. There are lines that just don't allow for any other intepretation(And believe me, I tried). And that troubles me.

I appreciate the novelty of excluding heterosexual realtionships with some LIs, but I disagree with it. It undermines one of the key reasons I've always supported Fight for the Love: Same-sex romance does not hurt opposite-sex romance. No more than allowing players to play paragon hurts others who play renegade. Or vice-versa.

silentassassin264 wrote...

I knew this would happen if they included exclusive s/s romances. While I was all for it, I knew people would feel entitled to have everyone available for o/s romances and act like they were "cheated" if they did not get all romances o/s. Then we get slimgrin (whatever his/her name is) complaining if you make some new people bi because "OMG bisexuals are so unrealistic! My immersion!" No matter what you do BSN disapproves.


TruePosted Image. There's no way to satify everyone. Doesn't make me feel any less disapproving(feeling 'cheated ' is a bit strong. It doesn't bother me that much.)

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 06 décembre 2011 - 05:23 .


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D.P.

Modifié par who would know, 06 décembre 2011 - 08:45 .