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bleetman

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Siansonea II wrote...

If anyone has concerns or suggestions about the scope of this thread, I would prefer to discuss that in PM, rather than in the thread. The purpose of this thread may evolve over time, but for now it is not the purpose of this thread to discuss the purpose of this thread. That is a PM subject.


Oh, no. I was meaning what you said, whereby everyone is giving their own opinion and so forth, with none of it being 'railroading', since it's been going on the entire time, and is the whole point of the thread.

...and I'm saying this here, where I really shouldn't be, aren't I? I'll just be quiet now :(

Modifié par bleetman, 16 juin 2011 - 07:55 .


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ArawnNox

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bleetman wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

If anyone has concerns or suggestions about the scope of this thread, I would prefer to discuss that in PM, rather than in the thread. The purpose of this thread may evolve over time, but for now it is not the purpose of this thread to discuss the purpose of this thread. That is a PM subject.


Oh, no. I was meaning what you said, whereby everyone is giving their own opinion and so forth, with none of it being 'railroading', since it's been going on the entire time, and is the whole point of the thread.

...and I'm saying this here, where I really shouldn't be, aren't I? I'll just be quiet now :(


Joking Suggestion: Maybe we should start speaking like elcor/HK-47 B)

#1328
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Aurellia wrote...

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I see where you're coming from, but the Lazarus Project wasn't something Shepard undertook, it was something that was undertaken by others on Shepard's behalf. And if Shepard was transgendered, I imagine it was all taken care of when s/he was a child/teen, so we are introduced to post-transition Shepard in ME1. That's how I see it anyway. I can't imagine anyone as self-possessed as Shepard would have discovered their transgender nature in their late 20s, or be afraid to address beforehand. Don't forget, this is the 2180s. Transgender in that time period should be equivalent to any other medical condition for the most part. You identify it, you address it. Making a big to-do about it almost seems odd to me. I would be thinking "Wow, people in the next century are STILL wierded out by this?" :huh:


As someone who is close to this issue myself.  While, I do agree that most gender dysphoria cases would likely get treated at an early age.  

Some people figure this stuff out early.  For various reasons gender dysphoria (transsexualism) may go undiagnosed for a period in life.  Some people just float very close to the center for a long time.  

In a future I would expect there to be more opportunities for gender fluidity.  Which leads me to this.  I'm sure you know but for the sake of others, not all transgender people are people with gender dysphoria or even gender identity disorder.  Some simply choose to live in the middle or otherwise wish to defy their normative gender role/presentation for whatever reasons.

Giving Shepard a choice to change genders would just make for an interesting vehicle to explore how that universe views gender variance.


I understand what you're saying, certainly. But the instance of Shepard as a transsexual is a advanced form of transgender expression. Certainly there is a spectrum of transgender expression, and it encompasses many people without GID or dysphoria, they simple are drawn to a less rigid expression of gender in themselves. But those people aren't going to be changing their sex, and in any case I imagine that relatively few people who go to the extent of changing their sex would be floating near the center, as you say, or not for very long. 

And Shepard changing his/her gender is problematic from another standpoint: Transsexual Shepard doesn't get a whole new skeleton, they still have the build they were born with if they transition as late as 2185. So we would need a feminized MaleShep model and a masculinized FemShep model, we wouldn't be able to just swap from MaleShep to FemShep. And again, the Lazarus Project isn't the place to do it anyway, as it was undertaken without Shepard's knowledge or consent, and there's no way for anyone at Cerberus to know whether or not Shepard would want such a procedure to take place.

But this is all pretty far off-topic, it doesn't really have anything to do with romance, as evidenced by the lack of any mention of characters other than Shepard in the discussion. I do find the subject interesting though, so if you'd like to continue the discussion in PM I'd be game. ^_^

Modifié par Siansonea II, 16 juin 2011 - 08:05 .


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ArawnNox wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

If anyone has concerns or suggestions about the scope of this thread, I would prefer to discuss that in PM, rather than in the thread. The purpose of this thread may evolve over time, but for now it is not the purpose of this thread to discuss the purpose of this thread. That is a PM subject.


Oh, no. I was meaning what you said, whereby everyone is giving their own opinion and so forth, with none of it being 'railroading', since it's been going on the entire time, and is the whole point of the thread.

...and I'm saying this here, where I really shouldn't be, aren't I? I'll just be quiet now :(


Joking Suggestion: Maybe we should start speaking like elcor/HK-47 B)



That'd probably be very helpful. :lol:

#1330
Siansonea

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bleetman wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

If anyone has concerns or suggestions about the scope of this thread, I would prefer to discuss that in PM, rather than in the thread. The purpose of this thread may evolve over time, but for now it is not the purpose of this thread to discuss the purpose of this thread. That is a PM subject.


Oh, no. I was meaning what you said, whereby everyone is giving their own opinion and so forth, with none of it being 'railroading', since it's been going on the entire time, and is the whole point of the thread.

...and I'm saying this here, where I really shouldn't be, aren't I? I'll just be quiet now :(


S'alright, I'm not trying to be a tyrant, just trying to keep us on track. Darn it, another train metaphor...;)

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I would like a nice caboose for ME3.

#1332
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Erani wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Joking Suggestion: Maybe we should start speaking like elcor/HK-47 B)


That'd probably be very helpful. :lol:


Objection: It is not in my programming to be 'helpful', meatbag.:P

Modifié par The Uncanny, 16 juin 2011 - 08:10 .


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jlb524 wrote...

I would like a nice caboose for ME3.


Now that's an idea we can all get behind...:whistle:

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jlb524 wrote...

I would like a nice caboose for ME3.


*inserts another Kaidan serving-under-Shepard reference here*

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Siansonea II wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I would like a nice caboose for ME3.


Now that's an idea we can all get behind...:whistle:


The game will be a train wreck if it doesn't have it, so yes, this is a must.

I volunteer to do the maintenance for it. :D

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Siansonea II wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I would like a nice caboose for ME3.


Now that's an idea we can all get behind...:whistle:


I believe Miranda has that **** :devil:

Hmm... thinking about it, I'm not sure I see Miranda really being into Fem!Shep. She never struck me as being compatable. Not sure I really buy her being into Male!Shep either, unless he's a renegade who's ideals match up with Cerberus'. But then, it could be because I tend to play Paragons.

Edit: Seriously it censors AT DOLLAR DOLLAR!?

Modifié par ArawnNox, 16 juin 2011 - 08:17 .


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Rinji the Bearded

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ArawnNox wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I would like a nice caboose for ME3.


Now that's an idea we can all get behind...:whistle:


I believe Miranda has that **** :devil:

Hmm... thinking about it, I'm not sure I see Miranda really being into Fem!Shep. She never struck me as being compatable. Not sure I really buy her being into Male!Shep either, unless he's a renegade who's ideals match up with Cerberus'. But then, it could be because I tend to play Paragons.


I did find it a little odd when she pawed my pink-armor wearing, paragon manshep, but maybe it was just me.  Overall, the paragon manshep romance with Miri I think is this tiny rivalmance that kinda gets going when Shepard is overly nice to her, maybe something she strikes as odd and eventually she becomes smitten.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 16 juin 2011 - 08:20 .


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ArawnNox wrote...

Hmm... thinking about it, I'm not sure I see Miranda really being into Fem!Shep. She never struck me as being compatable?


Why?

#1339
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One thing I know—don't take Miranda at face value. Whatever we think we know about Miranda? Yeah, that might be exactly what she WANTS us to think. Who knows what's going on inside that genetically perfect head of hers? I certainly wouldn't presume to know. ;)

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The Uncanny wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Hmm... thinking about it, I'm not sure I see Miranda really being into Fem!Shep. She never struck me as being compatable?


Why?


I may have misspoke. It's probably more that I don't think she'd be compatable with the fem!shep's I play.

#1341
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ArawnNox wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Hmm... thinking about it, I'm not sure I see Miranda really being into Fem!Shep. She never struck me as being compatable?


Why?


I may have misspoke. It's probably more that I don't think she'd be compatable with the fem!shep's I play.


I think it's still worth talkin' about. :) I have the same idea about Tali, though I know others prefer her as a s/s LI candidate. But my Shepards are more conventional, they tend toward human LIs. My Paragon ManShep and FemShep are the most adventurous, they both went for Liara. The other four went for humans, except for my lonesome gay Sentinel, of course. 

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I just rewatched Miranda's resignation from Cerberus video. I think this is the exact moment Miranda would've fell in love with my FemSheps.  She knows Shepard could never replace her and I love how she just turns off TIM's transmission.

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makenzieshepard wrote...

I just rewatched Miranda's resignation from Cerberus video. I think this is the exact moment Miranda would've fell in love with my FemSheps.  She knows Shepard could never replace her and I love how she just turns off TIM's transmission.


Does Miranda need to be in your squad for that?
It's been a while since I went through ME2, so memory is fuzzy.
It's a fair moment for feelings to being, though. Where she chooses her loyalty for Shepard over her loyalty for Cerberus.

#1344
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bleetman wrote...

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i was fairly certain the concensus was that everyone was cool with s/s romances as long as they left established characters alone? when did that get railroaded?


Some time around the first page, I believe.


Hah. Quite. 

There's still scope for discussion, though. 

#1345
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ArawnNox wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I just rewatched Miranda's resignation from Cerberus video. I think this is the exact moment Miranda would've fell in love with my FemSheps.  She knows Shepard could never replace her and I love how she just turns off TIM's transmission.


Does Miranda need to be in your squad for that?
It's been a while since I went through ME2, so memory is fuzzy.
It's a fair moment for feelings to being, though. Where she chooses her loyalty for Shepard over her loyalty for Cerberus.


Yes, you have to take Miranda to the final boss in order for her to be present for the scene. She's always the one maintaining the link to the Illusive Man if she is present though. 

#1346
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Siansonea II wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I just rewatched Miranda's resignation from Cerberus video. I think this is the exact moment Miranda would've fell in love with my FemSheps.  She knows Shepard could never replace her and I love how she just turns off TIM's transmission.


Does Miranda need to be in your squad for that?
It's been a while since I went through ME2, so memory is fuzzy.
It's a fair moment for feelings to being, though. Where she chooses her loyalty for Shepard over her loyalty for Cerberus.


Yes, you have to take Miranda to the final boss in order for her to be present for the scene. She's always the one maintaining the link to the Illusive Man if she is present though. 


I think I had Garrus and Jack with me, my first playthrough, so that's why I missed it.
Miranda never really grew on me, but maybe I need to give her another chance?
There just seemed to be a lot of ego-clashing between Shep and Miranda that romance didn't really seem to be in the cards, from my perspective, male or female.
Then again, two willful stubborn people could make for awesome agressive sex. >.>
*Imagines Miri and fem!shep battling for "top position"* Yeah, maybe I need to re-evaluate this...

#1347
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ArawnNox wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Hmm... thinking about it, I'm not sure I see Miranda really being into Fem!Shep. She never struck me as being compatable?


Why?


I may have misspoke. It's probably more that I don't think she'd be compatable with the fem!shep's I play.


I'm sorry... I didn't intend to be hostile. I was just curious. :)

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Ah so this explains what Garrus meant by, "Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations." he was trying to figure out a way to tell Male Shepard how he really felt xD. Jokes aside congrats to all of you who wanted this I'm happy for you guys.

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ArawnNox wrote...

*Imagines Miri and fem!shep battling for "top position"* Yeah, maybe I need to re-evaluate this...


*SPOILER*

Miranda takes top and in public places (engine room) .. but the view is well worth it. Posted Image

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The Uncanny wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Hmm... thinking about it, I'm not sure I see Miranda really being into Fem!Shep. She never struck me as being compatable?


Why?


I may have misspoke. It's probably more that I don't think she'd be compatable with the fem!shep's I play.


I'm sorry... I didn't intend to be hostile. I was just curious. :)


I didn't take it that way, I just found myself without an adiquate answer that didn't devolve into steriotyping. ^^;;