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[Abispa]

jlb524 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Abispa wrote...

An Asari with sexual reassignment surgery.

I'm currently playing this in a table top mass effect game. 

What would be their motivation to do that?

And also, what species' male did she pick to get reassigned to?

1) I don't know. Maybe to impregnate someone who isn't Asari?

2) Krogan. Duh.

:innocent:

[Abispa]

I seems to me that Bioware will do as much as they possibly can to make sure that IF Kaidan, Ashley, and/or James Vega are s/s that they will try to make it as "accident free" as possible, but I wonder if that is even going to be enough to keep people from complaining.

Example: James Vega appears to be a Krogan in human form. A military bad ass. Someone the manly men can be bros with and make women swoon. I imagine that if he is available for s/s that the player will have to jump through dialogue hoops to get him to become "gay," that way, in theory, people who "don't agree with s/s" won't have the dreaded "Anders moment" and immersion is ruined.

A player SHOULD be able to continue playing an epic macho bromance with the muscle bound killing machine and ******/bisexuality should never come up in their relationship. But we've already seen on this thread people complaining about Fenris and Merrill ruining player immersion with their bisexuality even though the player has to activate it. Just having an overt "flirt" dialogue option on the wheel was enough to ruin their immersion, the mere fact that another player, somewhere outside their computer room, may be getting some s/s snuggle-bunnies with that character "ruined" them.

So does Bioware make the flirt options more "subtle," and therefore increase the player's chances of being "ninjamanced" (there were players who complained about accidentally having sex with Zevran and Serendipity) or does Bioware create overt flirting options so the player KNOWS that s/he can initiate a s/s relationship, but then signalling to the player that somewhere out there some s/s player is having "target practice" with his bro?

Of course, the "flirt" dialogue option could become less of an overt signal if ME allowed players to hit on everyone EVEN if the target is not interested (like DA2). You want to keep Morrigan, Sebastian, Garrus, or Tali "straight," just have the character say s/he doesn't swing that way. That way players know that the "flirt" isn't a "gay-dar."

[AngelicMachinery]

jlb524 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Abispa wrote...

An Asari with sexual reassignment surgery.

I'm currently playing this in a table top mass effect game. 

What would be their motivation to do that?

And also, what species' male did she pick to get reassigned to?

He was extremely interested in the various gender roles of society and found that he despite what biology and her race dictated he figured he'd embrace masculinity.  Sure,  it might not make much sense but,  I wanted to play it as such... I did.

Nah,  no change is species really...  he's just a male version of an asari.

[jlb524]

Abispa wrote...
 But we've already seen on this thread people complaining about Fenris and Merrill ruining player immersion with their bisexuality even though the player has to activate it. Just having an overt "flirt" dialogue option on the wheel was enough to ruin their immersion, the mere fact that another player, somewhere outside their computer room, may be getting some s/s snuggle-bunnies with that character "ruined" them.

I'm glad I was able to ruin Merrill for others.

Abispa wrote... 
So does Bioware make the flirt options more "subtle," and therefore increase the player's chances of being "ninjamanced" (there were players who complained about accidentally having sex with Zevran and Serendipity) or does Bioware create overt flirting options so the player KNOWS that s/he can initiate a s/s relationship, but then signalling to the player that somewhere out there some s/s player is having "target practice" with his bro?

They did something 'subtle' with Sky in Jade Empire (I don't know if you've played that game).  The m/m romance starting dialog didn't even appear in the dialog options until the male PC actively ended any romance possibility with both females.  So...it could be the case that these flirts don't appear unless male Shepard lacks a female LI from either game.  Now I wonder what will happen if he romanced Liara...technically the flirts should appear, amrite?

[shepskisaac]

jlb524 wrote...

They did something 'subtle' with Sky in Jade Empire (I don't know if you've played that game).  The m/m romance starting dialog didn't even appear in the dialog options until the male PC actively ended any romance possibility with both females.  So...it could be the case that these flirts don't appear unless male Shepard lacks a female LI from either game.

Actually, Cortez has a certain dialogue with Shepard which basically IS a copy+paste of the "gay toggle" dialogue with Sky. It's possible that it *may* work as a toggle for both him and other potential m/m LIs.

[Abispa]

IsaacShep wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

They did something 'subtle' with Sky in Jade Empire (I don't know if you've played that game).  The m/m romance starting dialog didn't even appear in the dialog options until the male PC actively ended any romance possibility with both females.  So...it could be the case that these flirts don't appear unless male Shepard lacks a female LI from either game.

Actually, Cortez has a certain dialogue with Shepard which basically IS a copy+paste of the "gay toggle" dialogue with Sky. It's possible that it *may* work as a toggle for both him and other potential m/m LIs.

"Wow, Shepard! You're walking around with EVERY woman in the whole damn universe trying to get into your pants, and you're turning them down! And that turns ME on! You are SO HOT and you remind me of my dead husband/brother/son! Let's get it on, baby!"

[Tietj]

IsaacShep wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

They did something 'subtle' with Sky in Jade Empire (I don't know if you've played that game).  The m/m romance starting dialog didn't even appear in the dialog options until the male PC actively ended any romance possibility with both females.  So...it could be the case that these flirts don't appear unless male Shepard lacks a female LI from either game.

Actually, Cortez has a certain dialogue with Shepard which basically IS a copy+paste of the "gay toggle" dialogue with Sky. It's possible that it *may* work as a toggle for both him and other potential m/m LIs.

I'm actually really happy about this.  I've been diligently keeping my Shepard single, telling myself that it was because he hadn't met the right guy yet, and here it is in a canon conversation.  Truthfully, I would be perfectly satisfied if this conversation were all we had; even if you couldn't romance Cortez or anyone else, at least Shepard makes it clear that he's interested in men.  I can't say I won't be a bit disappointed if neither Kaidan nor Vega are s/s options, but when it comes down to it, Kaidan is Kaidan and Vega is Vega, but Shepard is me, ostensibly, and it matters far more to me that I'm able to actually address the issue of his sexuality in the game.  For those people who aren't affected by it, it's difficult to explain why it matters, but for some of us it's important and I'm glad Bioware finally gave us the option.  As it happens, if the leaks are valid, we get at least one full-fledged, well-developed s/s love interest in Cortez, which is a nice bonus.

[Zamnil Blackaxe]

Abispa wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Abispa wrote...

An Asari with sexual reassignment surgery.

I'm currently playing this in a table top mass effect game. 

What would be their motivation to do that?

And also, what species' male did she pick to get reassigned to?

1) I don't know. Maybe to impregnate someone who isn't Asari?

2) Krogan. Duh.

:innocent:

I like the way you crazy mother****ers think, keep on shining.

[Kawamura]

Tietj wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

They did something 'subtle' with Sky in Jade Empire (I don't know if you've played that game).  The m/m romance starting dialog didn't even appear in the dialog options until the male PC actively ended any romance possibility with both females.  So...it could be the case that these flirts don't appear unless male Shepard lacks a female LI from either game.

Actually, Cortez has a certain dialogue with Shepard which basically IS a copy+paste of the "gay toggle" dialogue with Sky. It's possible that it *may* work as a toggle for both him and other potential m/m LIs.

I'm actually really happy about this.  I've been diligently keeping my Shepard single, telling myself that it was because he hadn't met the right guy yet, and here it is in a canon conversation.  Truthfully, I would be perfectly satisfied if this conversation were all we had; even if you couldn't romance Cortez or anyone else, at least Shepard makes it clear that he's interested in men.  I can't say I won't be a bit disappointed if neither Kaidan nor Vega are s/s options, but when it comes down to it, Kaidan is Kaidan and Vega is Vega, but Shepard is me, ostensibly, and it matters far more to me that I'm able to actually address the issue of his sexuality in the game.  For those people who aren't affected by it, it's difficult to explain why it matters, but for some of us it's important and I'm glad Bioware finally gave us the option.  As it happens, if the leaks are valid, we get at least one full-fledged, well-developed s/s love interest in Cortez, which is a nice bonus.

I'm pretty sure a toggle thing that only shows up if you don't have a female LI would drive me nuts. Some folks like both.

Hrrgh. 

But, no, the ability not to explain to, say, Tali "hey, it's not that I don't like you, it's just I really don't swing that way" was frustrating as all hell. 

[Cathey]

I would actually love it if you could deny LI's based on their gender. Like how you get an option to say no you're a girl (or whatever the option is) when Liara talks to FemShep.

When I play DA:O, I always go human when I play female. I get her to sleep with the elf just to establish in my game that this character likes girls and then after that I go after Leliana.

In Mass Effect 1 I always romance Liara but I pay a visit to the consort too.

If there were any conversation options (even sneakily hidden so I had to navigate a certain way to use them) to deny the characters based on their gender, I would love BW even more than I already do. Brilliant for when i'm playing through the game as 'me'.

I'll play a male Shep at some point in ME3 to try out his male romance but I won't have one to import. It will be a Shep fresh for ME3 maybe done with whatever story creator they add to the game. Since the only way I could establish him in my game as a gay character would be to have the option to at least flirt with another guy but there's nothing like that and you can only turn down the females by not being interested in their romances, rather than their gender as a whole.

Modifié par Cathey, 27 décembre 2011 - 11:57 .

[priestess of blood]

Cathey wrote...

I would actually love it if you could deny LI's based on their gender. Like how you get an option to say no you're a girl (or whatever the option is) when Liara talks to FemShep.

When I play DA:O, I always go human when I play female. I get her to sleep with the elf just to establish in my game that this character likes girls and then after that I go after Leliana.

In Mass Effect 1 I always romance Liara but I pay a visit to the consort too.

If there were any conversation options (even sneakily hidden so I had to navigate a certain way to use them) to deny the characters based on their gender, I would love BW even more than I already do. Brilliant for when i'm playing through the game as 'me'.

I'll play a male Shep at some point in ME3 to try out his male romance but I won't have one to import. It will be a Shep fresh for ME3 maybe done with whatever story creator they add to the game. Since the only way I could establish him in my game as a gay character would be to have the option to at least flirt with another guy but there's nothing like that and you can only turn down the females by not being interested in their romances, rather than their gender as a whole.

That reminds me of when playing me1 and you can tell kaiden you saw her first and the realisation hits him that you are interested in women, they should include more moments along that vein, too many dialog options seem so similar between your character whether you are male or female.

[mauro2222]

Abispa wrote...

A player SHOULD be able to continue playing an epic macho bromance with the muscle bound killing machine and ******/bisexuality should never come up in their relationship. But we've already seen on this thread people complaining about Fenris and Merrill ruining player immersion with their bisexuality even though the player has to activate it. Just having an overt "flirt" dialogue option on the wheel was enough to ruin their immersion, the mere fact that another player, somewhere outside their computer room, may be getting some s/s snuggle-bunnies with that character "ruined" them.

They complained about that? Ha!

[priestess of blood]

mauro2222 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

A player SHOULD be able to continue playing an epic macho bromance with the muscle bound killing machine and ******/bisexuality should never come up in their relationship. But we've already seen on this thread people complaining about Fenris and Merrill ruining player immersion with their bisexuality even though the player has to activate it. Just having an overt "flirt" dialogue option on the wheel was enough to ruin their immersion, the mere fact that another player, somewhere outside their computer room, may be getting some s/s snuggle-bunnies with that character "ruined" them.

They complained about that? Ha!

I appreiate what bioware did there, and have done over the years, but the whole everyone is bi based on how your conversation choices went, kinda felt like throwing people a bone.

Which is why I am so hopeful of these two new LI characters coming in me3, having characters who's orientation is just how they are and are not straight or gay based on if you are a male or female.

I know thats not the most descriptive but not spoilers and all that.

Modifié par priestess of blood, 28 décembre 2011 - 12:37 .

[mauro2222]

Little off-topic and maybe a little late but... who is Cortez?

A romanceable NPC?

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 décembre 2011 - 12:19 .

[The Elder King]

Abispa wrote...

A player SHOULD be able to continue playing an epic macho bromance with the muscle bound killing machine and ******/bisexuality should never come up in their relationship. But we've already seen on this thread people complaining about Fenris and Merrill ruining player immersion with their bisexuality even though the player has to activate it. Just having an overt "flirt" dialogue option on the wheel was enough to ruin their immersion, the mere fact that another player, somewhere outside their computer room, may be getting some s/s snuggle-bunnies with that character "ruined" them.

As far as I know, people complained over Anders too,though it could be for some dialogue choices in DAA. The only one LI in DA2 that nobody could get angry for being bi is Isabela.
I didn't care about the all-bi thing in DA2 (and seriously, people should've been concerned about other aspects of the game.).
I'll be ok if Bioware will continue on that route in DA3. I don't care. As I'll be ok it they decided to make a straight LI, a homosexual LI and a bisexual LI for both the male and female PC.

Modifié par hhh89, 28 décembre 2011 - 12:25 .

[mauro2222]

As long as the bi option is a woman, nobody cares at all... lesbian? it's ok too, lesbian sex is hot!

bi male? gay? my immersion!

****ing taboos.

[jlb524]

mauro2222 wrote...

As long as the bi option is a woman, nobody cares at all... lesbian? it's ok too, lesbian sex is hot!

bi male? gay? my immersion!

****ing taboos.

There were complaints about Merrill being bisexual though.

[The Elder King]

mauro2222 wrote...

As long as the bi option is a woman, nobody cares at all... lesbian? it's ok too, lesbian sex is hot!

bi male? gay? my immersion!

****ing taboos.

I know. It's an hypocrite thing to say. Though in the case in DA2 people complained over Merrill too. Isabela was long established as bi, and people didn't care much.

[priestess of blood]

mauro2222 wrote...

As long as the bi option is a woman, nobody cares at all... lesbian? it's ok too, lesbian sex is hot!

bi male? gay? my immersion!

****ing taboos.

Then you have the people who complain about femshep herself being playable, like theres no way a strong female lead could possibly accomplish the same, I don't know if they are around anymore but I just remembered reading some of that rubbish.

[The Elder King]

jlb524 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

As long as the bi option is a woman, nobody cares at all... lesbian? it's ok too, lesbian sex is hot!

bi male? gay? my immersion!

****ing taboos.

There were complaints about Merrill being bisexual though.

I think that the complaints about her (and Fenris maybe) is because of the fact that all the LI are bisexual in DA2, and she was supposed (given the presence of Isabela in the party) as the straight LI.

[priestess of blood]

hhh89 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

As long as the bi option is a woman, nobody cares at all... lesbian? it's ok too, lesbian sex is hot!

bi male? gay? my immersion!

****ing taboos.

I know. It's an hypocrite thing to say. Though in the case in DA2 people complained over Merrill too. Isabela was long established as bi, and people didn't care much.

Oh it's hypocrisy at it's finest, bi or lesbian are ok to a degree because guys think it's hot, but gay men then it's all 'beat the images out of my head' and eye bleach jokes.

Modifié par priestess of blood, 28 décembre 2011 - 12:45 .

[jlb524]

hhh89 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

As long as the bi option is a woman, nobody cares at all... lesbian? it's ok too, lesbian sex is hot!

bi male? gay? my immersion!

****ing taboos.

There were complaints about Merrill being bisexual though.

I think that the complaints about her (and Fenris maybe) is because of the fact that all the LI are bisexual in DA2, and she was supposed (given the presence of Isabela in the party) as the straight LI.

Yeah.

And Merrill's percieved as too 'innocent/virginal/pure/sweet/whatever' to be a chick that's into chicks in that way.

[mauro2222]

It's a game, is escapism, not reality. I don't want to feel rejected in a game, as aswell I'm rejected in life. If I like someone as a friend, and someone as lover in a game I WANT THEM. It's stupid to bring reality into fiction, when fiction is made to escape reality.

[priestess of blood]

mauro2222 wrote...

It's a game, is escapism, not reality. I don't want to feel rejected in a game, as aswell I'm rejected in life. If I like someone as a friend, and someone as lover in a game I WANT THEM. It's stupid to bring reality into fiction, when fiction is made to escape reality.

Well said.

[The Elder King]

jlb524 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...



I think that the complaints about her (and Fenris maybe) is because of the fact that all the LI are bisexual in DA2, and she was supposed (given the presence of Isabela in the party) as the straight LI.

Yeah.

And Merrill's percieved as too 'innocent/virginal/pure/sweet/whatever' to be a chick that's into chicks in that way.

Because an innocent/pure/etc. girl can't be into girls:lol:
I really don't get the hate for the all-bi LI in DA2. The trigger for the romance was well made, so if someone doesn't like it, he/she only has to avoid the dialogue option.