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[shepskisaac]

pizu wrote...

these characters' philosophy and such matter quite a lot, because those little, but very important details help me to immerse myself into the story

So the why aren't you talking about that, why aren't you talking how immersion-breaking it is when Paragon LIs disregard horrible things Renegade Shepard did or when a stong woman like Ashley disregards her philosophy, mentality & background that would never allow her to date a guy who beats other women for no reason? instead, all you focus on is sexual orientation which has little to do with philosophy, morals and mentality of the LIs.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:57 .

[pizu]

IsaacShep wrote...

pizu wrote...

these characters' philosophy and such matter quite a lot, because those little, but very important details help me to immerse myself into the story

So the why aren't you talking about that, why aren't you talking how immersion-breaking it is when Paragon LIs disregard horrible things Renegade Shepard did or when a stong woman like Ashley disregards her philosophy, mentality & background that would never allow her to date a guy who beats other women for no reason? instead, all you focus on is sexual orientation which has little to do with philosophy, morals and mentality of the LIs.

I'm not talking about that specific problem, my friend, because that thing is already in the game. I cannot  change it and neither can you, so why discuss it?  Now, the all-bisexual option, though, isn't in the game yet and that's why I'm discussing it right now. Get it? I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

Modifié par pizu, 08 janvier 2012 - 11:10 .

[shepskisaac]

pizu wrote...

I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

It gives us more options.

[1136342t54_]

IsaacShep wrote...

pizu wrote...

I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

It gives us more options.

The simplest and best answer. Hell my question is why not have more options?

Now here is a general question. I've heard about a character Samantah Traynor in ME3 as a love interest. My question is that is she Lesbian and is the romance pretty much like Kelly's? This is one of the few really minor spoilers I want to know about since I will likely be playing a female shepard who stays single throughout the trilogy.

[pizu]

1136342t54 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

pizu wrote...

I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

It gives us more options.

The simplest and best answer. Hell my question is why not have more options?

More doesn't equal better and forcing the Mass Effect's writers to sacrifice their characters' credibility to simply please some of their homosexual fans' fantasies isn't the right thing to do. 
I'd like to remember you people that we aren't playing this game only to romance alien creatures. Maybe you are, but I seriously hope that is not the case; Because you can appreciate a character without romancing him and that is why there is no reason of having a romance option and even less of having a bisexual romance option for every character in the game.

Modifié par pizu, 08 janvier 2012 - 11:48 .

[TheLastThought]

IsaacShep wrote...

pizu wrote...

I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

It gives us more options.

Absolutely!  And it's not really a "all-bisexual" option, it's more like letting you, the player, create your own world where that specific character is straight or not depending of what you want and do. It's not so different from other RP choices, all that metter is how well the game's script is to make all possibilities good and believable, but that is true for every aspects of the game. 

[shepskisaac]

pizu wrote...

I'd like to remember you people that we aren't playing this game only to romance alien creatures. Maybe you are, but I seriously hope that is not the case; Because you can appreciate a character without romancing him and that is why there is no reason of having a romance option and even less of having a bisexual romance option for every character in the game.

In that case we should remove straight romances as well. Straight players can appreciate characters without romancing everyone

[pizu]

IsaacShep wrote...

pizu wrote...

I'd like to remember you people that we aren't playing this game only to romance alien creatures. Maybe you are, but I seriously hope that is not the case; Because you can appreciate a character without romancing him and that is why there is no reason of having a romance option and even less of having a bisexual romance option for every character in the game.

In that case we should remove straight romances as well. Straight players can appreciate characters without romancing everyone

You see, the difference between you and me is, that I as a straight person don't demand every single character in the game to have a romancable option... and for a good reason! For example, I love Samara's character and I appreciate her more than half of the other characters in the game and I don't mind if she's not romancable, because the fact that  she's not romancable makes sense. Her refusal is well motivated and explained. There's reason in her refusal to have a relationship with Shepard. There's something that would be missing if you made her a bisexual romancable character. Now, excuse me, I'll continue tomorrow, but I have to go now. Cheers!

[Ryzaki]

I'd gladly lose all the ME2 romances if it made it so Garrus didn't say calibrations most of the damn game.

[Sundance31us]

The key word here is "optional"; if you don't want a character to be sexually active then don't initiate that dialogue.

Just because there's a big, shiny, red button does not mean you have to push.

[shepskisaac]

pizu wrote...
You see, the difference between you and me is, that I as a straight person don't demand every single character in the game to have a romancable option... and for a good reason!

Lul what? I don't demand every single character either, just the already existing LIs

pizu wrote...
For example, I love Samara's character and I appreciate her more than half of the other characters in the game and I don't mind if she's not romancable, because the fact that  she's not romancable makes sense. Her refusal is well motivated and explained. There's reason in her refusal to have a relationship with Shepard. There's something that would be missing if you made her a bisexual romancable character. Now, excuse me, I'll continue tomorrow, but I have to go now. Cheers!

But she already is bisexual She tells both mShep & FemShep she likes them but won't date them for the same reason (code). And again, nobody here really even talks about Samara since we all mostly ackowledge (both straight and gay players) that she doesn't want any kind of relationship

[TheLastThought]

pizu wrote...
More doesn't equal better and forcing the Mass Effect's writers to sacrifice their characters' credibility to simply please some of their homosexual fans' fantasies isn't the right thing to do. 

Err.. I'm a straight girl who would love to play a m/m romance! So not so much "homosexual fans fantasies" ( and I'm sure there're many guys who'll appraciate the f/f romance too). It's something i would never be able to do in real life for obvious reasons so I'm all in to play it:P. This is basically one of the reason why I love to play games ( or read a book and watch a movie), to see and do all sorts of things i can't! ( And btw I find it hot and FUN, and games are all about the fun after all:wizard:) . On characters' credibility I've already said my opinion.

pizu wrote...
I'd like to remember you people that we aren't playing this game only to romance alien creatures. Maybe you are, but I seriously hope that is not the case;

And what if I am? Why can't I have all my options if this is what I'm looking for? If you think a romance would spoil a character then don't do it in your game but why not giving the option to someone else who doesn't agree with you?

[Ryzaki]

...so I suppose BW shouldn't put in romances period because their gonna be pleasing someone's fantasies by doing so.

[TheLastThought]

pizu wrote...
You see, the difference between you and me is, that I as a straight person don't demand every single character in the game to have a romancable option... and for a good reason! For example, I love Samara's character and I appreciate her more than half of the other characters in the game and I don't mind if she's not romancable, because the fact that  she's not romancable makes sense. Her refusal is well motivated and explained. There's reason in her refusal to have a relationship with Shepard. There's something that would be missing if you made her a bisexual romancable character. Now, excuse me, I'll continue tomorrow, but I have to go now. Cheers!

That is funny phrasing, the "as a straight person" makes it seem like if someone asks for more romance options Of any kind then they're automatically not straight.. Go tell that to all the girls supporting Joker's romance:P ( and me of course.. I'm straight, i want the s/s romance.. So what?)
And Samara is Asari.. You know they're all bisexual ( pansexual maybe) by default...right?!

Modifié par TheLastThought, 09 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[Blacklash93]

I finally joined the Support Heterosexuality group. It's such an honor to show my support for all sexualities in Mass Effect.

I'm contradicting myself, you say? Nonsense. I see nothing wrong with supporting other sexual preferences besides your own. I also don't see how supporting one type of sexuality assumes you're against others.

Still can't view the damn discussion, though. It's a shame I can't discuss my ideas on how to improve Mass Effect's heterosexual romances. That's what they talk about, right?

[AVPen]

1136342t54 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

pizu wrote...

I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

It gives us more options.

The simplest and best answer. Hell my question is why not have more options?

Now here is a general question. I've heard about a character Samantah Traynor in ME3 as a love interest. My question is that is she Lesbian and is the romance pretty much like Kelly's? This is one of the few really minor spoilers I want to know about since I will likely be playing a female shepard who stays single throughout the trilogy.

From what I've read of her dialogue from the leak, she is indeed a lesbian (and not bi, like Kelly was) and is the Normandy's Communication Specialist. As for her personally, she honestly reminds me a bit of a female Joker in some ways - bit of a smart ass, wicked sense of humor, etc.:

*Spoiler dialogue/s*

Samantha: That reminds me of a joke: What's the difference between Commander Shepard and a krogan? One is an unstoppable juggernaut of head-butting destruction...

Shepard: ...and the other doesn't have a smart-ass comm officer to keep her in line.

Samantha: Ooh, that's even better than the number-of-testicles punch line.


Samantha: Hey, Commander. Check it out! Big news: the new Blasto movie is breaking opening-week records! There's also a big expose on quasar tournaments, tips on how to make your apartment look bigger, and... oh, yeah, a big-ass Reaper invasion.


Shepard: I promise you -- in a few months, we'll be sipping drinks back in Vancouver.

Samantha: Vancouver. Not Paris, not Venice. Vancouver.

Shepard: It's a lovely city.

Samantha: You never take me anywhere nice.

Hell, I'm rather tempted to make an alternative save of my Diana Shepard where she dumps Liara at the end of the Shadow Broker DLC, just so she can romance Samantha in ME3. 

Modifié par AVPen, 09 janvier 2012 - 12:41 .

[bas_kon]

pizu wrote...

I'm not talking about that specific problem, my friend, because that thing is already in the game. I cannot  change it and neither can you, so why discuss it?  Now, the all-bisexual option, though, isn't in the game yet and that's why I'm discussing it right now. Get it? I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

The thing is, if they are going to be bisexual they already are and you still have nothing to do about it, either way, discusing it now, when there's less than two months left for the game release, has no point whatsoever.

Also, you are no dev or have any power over the dev team, as far as I'm concern, for us to explain that to you, but there you go any way.
It's about that (apparently unimportant for some people) thing called choice in RPG games.
In these games, sexuality only serves one purpose, censure material for some people (maybe not to you) and limit their game experience for the sake of it.That's just what ME and ME2 did to m/m players (not even easter eggs or a "not exactly a man" manly character).

Having those options doesn't make any difference for the people who only play straight sheps, but for those who like s/s such as me, it does make a difference. Plus sexuality is not what defines characters but their actions throughout the story, if you read some books, you should know that.

Some people just don't enjoy playing one sex and they shouldn't miss optional but still engaging content, such as a romance with their favourite character, because of that. Just as well as people who wanted to be friends with a ME2 squaddie, should have been able to.

If you wanna discuss about something, why don't you just say what you think they should add to the game to make everyone's experience richer and give up trying to prevent other people from getting as much as you do.


Edit: It was straight men who wanted to have an incestuous relationship with Bethany in DA2 because she was "hawt" so don't you tell me that straight people don't ask for anything and everything...and the funny thing is that I'm sure that most of them complained about Anders hitting on them. Just wrong.

Modifié par bas_kon, 09 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[silentassassin264]

pizu wrote...

Could I ask you a couple of questions? Why would any of you want such a thing as an "all-bisexual option"  to be given? What would happen to the hardly earned credibility of all the characters we've met so far, if you completely ignored their philosophy and mentality, and slapped a "bisexual option" on them? I'll answer. That would ruin everything about these characters. It wouldn't make sense and it would negate the possibility of having well written characters with different motivations and background. It would make them much more generic and much less unique. I'm not saying that having homosexual or bisexual characters is a bad thing, because it's not. Having them is actually a really good thing, because that introduces a little bit of uniqueness to the game and it's universe, but... Don't you get it? Such uniqueness wouldn't exist, if everyone had the -"bisexual"- option. Now, I'd like to hear what "pros" such an option would give to a heavily narrative based game, such as Mass Effect, because all I see are "cons".

Explain what how a character would be ruined if they were "slapped with the bisexual" option.  Give me a specific detail not a sweeping generalization.

[FaWa]

Why can't people grasp on to the fact that characters could be bisexual in one pkaythrough, but straight in another. Why is that so hard to understand?

[1136342t54_]

pizu wrote...

More doesn't equal better and forcing the Mass Effect's writers to sacrifice their characters' credibility to simply please some of their homosexual fans' fantasies isn't the right thing to do.

More doesn't equal better but saying a character's credibility is shattered for being homosexual is blatantly false. 

I'd like to remember you people that we aren't playing this game only to romance alien creatures. Maybe you are, but I seriously hope that is not the case; Because you can appreciate a character without romancing him and that is why there is no reason of having a romance option and even less of having a bisexual romance option for every character in the game.

Bioware has always had romance options in their game to appease their fans who would like that addition to their game. It easily adds to the story and characterization of certain characters and even your own. Now since more than just heterosexual players actually play the game then they should get the chance for a homosexual relationship.

Attempting to argue against romances in general is too late and has been too late for a while now. Bioware is now adding in more options for the fans. Being able to romance Garrus or Tali won't ruin the character. It is an option.

[1136342t54_]

AVPen wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

pizu wrote...

I want you, the supporters of such option, to explain to me why having it is a good idea... Okay?

It gives us more options.

The simplest and best answer. Hell my question is why not have more options?

Now here is a general question. I've heard about a character Samantah Traynor in ME3 as a love interest. My question is that is she Lesbian and is the romance pretty much like Kelly's? This is one of the few really minor spoilers I want to know about since I will likely be playing a female shepard who stays single throughout the trilogy.

From what I've read of her dialogue from the leak, she is indeed a lesbian (and not bi, like Kelly was) and is the Normandy's Communication Specialist. As for her personally, she honestly reminds me a bit of a female Joker in some ways - bit of a smart ass, wicked sense of humor, etc.:

Well now it is time for me to make a new Shepard. Thanks for the info.

[AngelicMachinery]

Ryzaki wrote...

I'd gladly lose all the ME2 romances if it made it so Garrus didn't say calibrations most of the damn game.

I'd gladly lose all the romances for the epic ****storm myself,  but,  if it made character interaction more engaging that is fine too.

[jeweledleah]

FaWa wrote...

Why can't people grasp on to the fact that characters could be bisexual in one pkaythrough, but straight in another. Why is that so hard to understand?

becasue they aren't.  its only in your headcanon, its not actual reality, anymore then saying that bisexual real person is straight or gay depending on their current partner.

and if that works for you, more power to you, but it doesn't work for everyone.

[jlb524]

pizu wrote...
You see, the difference between you and me is, that I as a straight person don't demand every single character in the game to have a romancable option... and for a good reason!

For each Mass Effect character X there exists at least one straight person Y that wants X to be a romance option.

If you don't agree with that, you must be new to these forums.

[Ryzaki]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I'd gladly lose all the ME2 romances if it made it so Garrus didn't say calibrations most of the damn game.

I'd gladly lose all the romances for the epic ****storm myself,  but,  if it made character interaction more engaging that is fine too.

Yup that would work.