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[shepskisaac]

bleetman wrote...

That his sexuality is apparently so interesting and noteworthy that it's worth assembling footage on rubs me the wrong way a little.

But there's also the footage of Khalisah making out with an Asari with the same, if not even more obvious, "she's into girls!" connotation.

[Ryzaki]

Jack's line is subjective and let's not get on that carousel again. As for the rest yup you're right. The dialogue is simply *mostly* gender neutral save a line or two. Which...is pretty much the case from the script as well.

ME3...I believe someone mentions SPOILER and Shep but I'm not sure if it was a past relationship or just for a single Shep.

I do hope though the romances lock each other out until you break it off with someone else. Its odd for Shep being able to bounce from LI to LI.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 janvier 2012 - 04:32 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

ME3...I believe someone mentions SPOILER and Shep but I'm not sure if it was a past relationship or just for a single Shep.

I do hope though the romances lock each other out until you break it off with someone else. Its odd for Shep being able to bounce from LI to LI.

I do not doubt it will be that way but the thing is, you could at least initially flirt with 2 people, then you had to resolve it. In both ME1 & ME2. This time, it looks like the first flirting scene locks out everyone else. There's no lines for Vega telling you (in FemShep scenario for example) - "dumb Kaidan/Samantha first and then we'll talk". Or "so you're also trying to get on with Kaidan/Samantha? I don't like that". It's weird since there were lines like that petty much for everyone in ME1 & ME2. At least for now, they don't seem to ackowledge each other in ME3.

[ElitePinecone]

bleetman wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I'd never considered that. :/ 

It doesn't lead to very nice conclusions. 

I suppose it's probably nothing of the kind. There's a few clips of people doing nothing remotely interesting, or stuff just thrown in to stir the rumour mill. I'm just way too cynical.

Oh, I'm sure it wasn't intentional. Most of those videos were absurd non sequiteurs or in-jokes thrown in to amuse fans. I can only assume someone decided to make the games' first m/m relationship feature a turian bounty hunter/badass vorcha-killer, for... some reason. 

A nod at fans? A jab at their own expense for not including it in the main game? Or for the unexpectedness of Gavorn being involved with a male human? Humour? I dunno. 

Whatever the reason, it's just a bit... odd... that it was among a bunch of videos intended to be the Broker's secret dirt files on the galaxy's high and mighty (or not so mighty). But again, I'm sure that wasn't the implication. 

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...
I do not doubt it will be that way but the thing is, you could at least initially flirt with 2 people, then you had to resolve it. In both ME1 & ME2. This time, it looks like the first flirting scene locks out everyone else. There's no lines for Vega telling you (in FemShep scenario for example) - "dumb Kaidan/Samantha first and then we'll talk". Or "so you're also trying to get on with Kaidan/Samantha? I don't like that". It's weird since there were lines like that petty much for everyone in ME1 & ME2. At least for now, they don't seem to ackowledge each other in ME3.

Frankly I hope it stays that way. Especially if there's no ninja dialogue. The whole "well which one of us do you like more Shep?" made me feel like Shep was in high school.

Maybe it's just not written yet. Script was incomplete in many scenarios.

[AngelicMachinery]

I mourn for the loss of love triangles... none in DA2 either.

[bleetman]

I don't know, Anders gets pretty pissy at Hawke romancing anyone that isn't him.

[AngelicMachinery]

bleetman wrote...

I don't know, Anders gets pretty pissy at Hawke romancing anyone that isn't him.

I suppose,  but, it's hard to tell...  he's always pissy.

[Yuqi]

bleetman wrote...

I don't know, Anders gets pretty pissy at Hawke romancing anyone that isn't him.

^This

Then there is the banter if you do romances in a certain order.

Anders: Icant imagine what hawke sees in you.
Fenris:It is done leave it be.
Anders: Good I always knew  she/he had some sense
Isabella "Oh would you two get over yourselves, I did her/him too.

I Lol so much at it..

So do we know  who for sure is avalible for S/S yet? I heard that the V.S is.

[SolidBeast]

Where did you hear that, Yuqi?

[Yuqi]

SolidBeast wrote...

Where did you hear that, Yuqi?

Someone who read the entire leak, I belive.IT was a while ago though, so it's probably wrong. But if a new player can romance the V.S why coulden't a shep who prefers the same gender.

[FaWa]

I thought the position was that the VSs and Vega had gender neutral dialogue?

[shepskisaac]

FaWa wrote...

I thought the position was that the VSs and Vega had gender neutral dialogue?

And it's still like that for most people.

[JamieCOTC]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I mourn for the loss of love triangles... none in DA2 either.

Casey confirned that the original triangle, VS/Liara/Shep would be in ME3 some time ago.

"But we also have some interesting things happening, where you've got
Ashley and Kaiden from the first game, you've got Liara, and there's
sort of a love triangle there ..."

[jlb524]

Yuqi wrote...
 But if a new player can romance the V.S why coulden't a shep who prefers the same gender.

Retcon, character integrity, immersion, stuff.

[FoxHound109]

Yeah, the dialogue for V.S. and Vega are gender neutral in the leak. So more less: we don't know anything.

[Chun Hei]

C-Sec Nova wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

EDIT: @C-Sec - Preitor Gavorn, please! We even got a hint of that in LOTSB.

If it ain't Garrus, give me Lorik Qui'in, if it aint Lorik Qui'in, give me any of the alien coucilors, if it aint the councilors, give me Gavorn, if it aint Gavorn, give me Wrex or Grunt, if it aint them, give me Legion, if it aint Legion give me Captain Kirhee, if it aint Captain Kirhee, give me Aria or Shialla... if none of them are available... ill be let down... (In reference to possible LI with M'Shep)

[JamieCOTC]

FaWa wrote...

I thought the position was that the VSs and Vega had gender neutral dialogue?

Spoiler: A lot of the VS dialogue refers to what s/he once had w/ Shepard. So it's not as gender neutral as you would think.

Also, in a really great LJ post, Patrick Weekes explains that "If I can in any way avoid having someone mention Commander Shepard's gender, I will do so."

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 11 janvier 2012 - 11:58 .

[TMA LIVE]

When it comes to the VS, if they become F/F or M/M options, I can buy it, since it's been 3 years. I can at least believe either something changed, or so-so was in the closet.

But with Tali and Garrus, I wouldn't like it, simply because if they were interested, they would have showed it at the same time as they did for the straight versions. I can believe them not showing their feelings till ME2, or developing their feelings after ME1. But I can't buy them confessing to Shepard if he's straight, but not for the opposite gender. Only to then confess in ME3. Because you can't use the "closet" excuse when they were already dealing with alien-on-human issues.

[TMA LIVE]

Spaedar wrote...

You met the VS as the same time you met
Tali and Garrus, and the VS shows no real obvious interest unless you
had the romance going in ME1. 
Tali and Garrus make just as much sense as Kaidan and Ashley.

No they don't. In ME1, I can romance Ash or Kaidan. Or don't, and 3 years go by, being away from them. They have room to change, or didn't want to confess because of a closet issue.

With Tali and Garrus, you've been with them for 3 games. You had years or months of a relationship with them. Unless you never recruited them, you're never apart from them during your ME experience.

Yet they only show interest in ME2 if you're straight. Despite being aliens. Ash and Kaidan aren't the same, since they're human. They don't have that issue.

So there's no reason lesbian Tali would not confess to Femshep, but would to Male Shep. Because she's already dealing with issues of being an alien confessing to an other species.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 janvier 2012 - 12:38 .

[TMA LIVE]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

FaWa wrote...

I thought the position was that the VSs and Vega had gender neutral dialogue?

Spoiler: A lot of the VS dialogue refers to what s/he once had w/ Shepard. So it's not as gender neutral as you would think.

Also, in a really great LJ post, Patrick Weekes explains that "If I can in any way avoid having someone mention Commander Shepard's gender, I will do so."

That's weird, because I've been looking at the Tali and Garrus romances in ME3, and they do mention Shepard's gender. And fairly frequently, IIRC.

And correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not 100% sure here), but are those not the romances that Weekes did?

Anyway, to be more on-topic with this thread, if Tali/Garrus do not have gender-neutral dialogue, but Vega/VS do,  that would seem to suggest that VS and Vega are in fact bi.

You sure they don't mention their gender because they might have been romanced in ME2?

[Chun Hei]

The Tali and Garrus romances were FAN SERVICES. The option to romance them was in ME2 because the writers wanted to give the fans what they wanted and to hell with game integrity. I cannot remember if it was Priestly or Hudson who said that the idea of having sex with a dinosaur was just plain ridiculous but if the fans want it they got it. Even in ME2 itself there were several references that exposure to human DNA is dangerous to Turians and Quarians but they did it anyway.

Garrus has NO ROMANTIC INTEREST in female Shepard until she TELLS him to. The writers could always give MALE Shepard the ability to do the same. But even those of us who want s/s Tali and Garrus do not think it is going to happen.