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[Eternal Dust]

jlb524 wrote...

Questions: Why are you 'teh player' attached to the former LI that is your fave absolute all time bestest evar? Why is your Shepard into this character and why would s/he possibly be interested in pursuing a romance with that specific LI?

Ash is quite often a misunderstood character, which makes her the most realistic IMO. She's flawed; she's human. But at the same time she wants to prove herself, not just to show that she's badass but to redeem her family's name. She puts others above her and my FemShep is attracted to this genuine, honest woman because she's had to survive on her own for so long (Earthborn/sole survivor) that it's nice to finally have someone watch over her.

[Maugrim]

I hope the fact the Ashley's MASS EFFECT COMIC SPOILER grandfather didn't want to withdraw from Shanxi and was forced to surrender END MASS EFFECT COMIC SPOILER  comes up in ME3.  I want to see her reaction to it.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 17 juin 2011 - 01:26 .

[The Uncanny]

CalamityRanger wrote...

Sooo, I just wanted to chime in and say that the FemShepMiranda pictures made me reevaluate the fact that I would in fact be open for FemShepXMiranda...

[Abispa]

makenzieshepard wrote...

This is called a strawman fallacy, look it up because NO ONE is making that argument.  I suggest not trying to use this tactic again, you will get called out on it.

This is not the only thread where I have tried to discuss this subject, and I have had several arguments over whether or not Jack should be bisexual and her sexual history has been brought up to use against my argument before.

When Jack turns my paragon Shepard down (while I was metagaming to see all the option), Shepard had spent the entire game listening to Jack rage, answering her questions, and being supportive of her decisions. Jack acknowledged that female Shepard had always been there for her, and then turned her down. She, Mordin and Samara left little room to manuever in creating new LI opportunities.

I am perfectly fine if every LI in ever RPG has a bisexual option, but I stick by my opinion that with Jack it is morally questionable and definite rewrite of continuity. At least in all other LI, the best those who object (and I'm not one of them) can do try to argue that a sexual persuasion is IMPLIED.

[jlb524]

To answer my own question: I was always attracted most to Liara. I'll admit that I only intended to romance her at first because she was 'the f/f option'. But then, playing ME1, I found out she had a Ph.D. in archaeology and I was sold (I like really book-smart and nerdy women for some reason). This was before even recruiting her...after actually seeing her and recruiting her, I further began to appreciate her looks, her sweet personality, and her convictions in defying her mother and making her own path. Yes, I love ME1 Liara (I know most don't). She also seemed to generally care for Shepard the person and dug up a bunch of info to find out more about her...it brought a humanizing aspect to my Shepard character, oddly enough (coming from a non-human...I found that to be an interesting twist). My one and only Shepard is totally snatched up by the blue space babe XD

The only other female I'm interested in making a Shepard for is Miranda. Mainly b/c of the book-smarts thing (it takes some brains to lead a scientific team of medical doctors tasked with bringing a body back to life). She's also robotic and emotionally detached with her social interactions (at least, that's her front) and I find that interesting as I like to delve into the 'whys' for that.

[Puzzlewell]

The Uncanny wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...

Sooo, I just wanted to chime in and say that the FemShepMiranda pictures made me reevaluate the fact that I would in fact be open for FemShepXMiranda...

You and OctoberFire have converted me. I hope you're happy with yourselves.... :innocent:

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 17 juin 2011 - 01:54 .

[Abispa]

makenzieshepard wrote...

1.) You have not one bit  conclusive evidence about what the "girls club" line meant.  I've used IDENTICAL language to describe myself....but that's because I'm a bit of a tomboy who doesn't do the fashion, feelings etc bs. discussion with other women, especially straight ones.  Doesn't not make me into women.

I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I'm pretty sure that Jack was using "girls' club" the way I thought and not the way that you've used it in the past. Granted, I don't have concrete proof of this, but with the exception of Hale's "Shepard in heat" performance with Jacob, a DLC moment at the end of LotSB (sitting on the bed), and while wearing a DLC-only dress with Kasumi, my female Shepard has NEVER had a moment to be girly or feminine, especially not while Jack is around. And Jack spent the entire game being completely open about her feelings, which is why the rest of the crew keeps wetting themselves.

[ydaraishy]

jlb524 wrote...

To answer my own question: I was always attracted most to Liara. I'll admit that I only intended to romance her at first because she was 'the f/f option'. But then, playing ME1, I found out she had a Ph.D. in archaeology and I was sold (I like really book-smart and nerdy women for some reason). This was before even recruiting her...after actually seeing her and recruiting her, I further began to appreciate her looks, her sweet personality, and her convictions in defying her mother and making her own path. Yes, I love ME1 Liara (I know most don't). She also seemed to generally care for Shepard the person and dug up a bunch of info to find out more about her...it brought a humanizing aspect to my Shepard character, oddly enough (coming from a non-human...I found that to be an interesting twist). My one and only Shepard is totally snatched up by the blue space babe XD

I had the _exact_ same thought processes as you, playing ME1.

[The Uncanny]

jlb524 wrote...

Questions: Why are you 'teh player' attached to the former LI that is your fave absolute all time bestest evar? Why is your Shepard into this character and why would s/he possibly be interested in pursuing a romance with that specific LI?

Okay... so there are two questions here: why am I attached to Miranda and why is Amy?

Firstly, I adore Miranda.

She's a strong capable woman with a mind of her own. She doesn't immediately fawn at Shepard's feet like most of the other characters which immediately made me like her. Yes, she has erected walls to protect herself from the things she's experienced, but she isn't unreachable. She just requires you to earn her trust.

And, why should I deny it, I think she's utterly smexy! 

As for Amy, although she's essentially a paragon her experiences on Akuze and Mindoir have made her into a pragmatist. She sees that trait in Miranda as well and recognises in her something of a kindred spirit.

Miranda's pragmatism seems to stem from the fact that she takes failure personally. I think the way she sees it: if she screws up then the people beneath her die. And she can't allow that happen. I genuinely feel she's always motivated by doing what she sees as 'the right thing.' Very much like Amy.

Amy also sees a genuine equal... someone whose respect she craves just as much as she seeks to be respected. This is a woman who can match her on the battlefield, in the operations room... and in the bedroom. 

[jlb524]

ydaraishy wrote...

I had the _exact_ same thought processes as you, playing ME1.

Yay!  I'm not alone! 

[Puzzlewell]

To answer Jib's question... I honestly have multiple answers.

Since she's already an F/F love interest (despite what BW tries to say ;P) I'll start with Liara: When I first played ME1 it was right after release, I didn't know there even was an F/F relationship option at that time but I found myself being generally drawn to Liara. Her slightly timid, bookwormish personality was incredibly endearing to me and I just couldn't stop myself from talking to her. When we started develing into Asari culture and how they view the world and potential lovers, I found she completely struck a chord with me. Without turning this into a large, slightly odd tangent into gender, I am a woman but I've basically identified myself as being genderless. While the asari are monogendered, they have a female form. Yes, I'm human and thus my species have both genders, but I felt massively connected to the asari because I too have a female form, yet view myself more as me than a woman. Complicated, probably confusing to those outside my head but it makes sense to me (yes I am technically a "tomboy" and do a pretty terrible job at going along with female gender roles, but it's not really a gender identity issue because I'm happy with being physically a woman). That and the fact that I am pansexual, so much like the asari, the soul is more important to me than the physical shell when it comes to love. Then when it turned out she was interested in my FemShep romantically... Let's just say I have two FemSheps completely loyal to her and I view her as my canon LI. {smilie}


Now for an option that isn't *currently* there... It's been Ashley since ME1 as well. She's a very strong woman but even with her convictions against aliens, she can see the other side of it and understand that not all of them are the same. Her passion over poetry has always been very sweet to me, because it's something that is important to her and helps to keep her sane in times of battle. I['ve always felt there was a certain level of sexual tension between Ash and FemShep, there's a certain level of coyness the way they address each other that has left me pining for an actual relationship.

[jlb524]

CalamityRanger wrote...
Without turning this into a large, slightly odd tangent into gender, I am a woman but I've basically identified myself as being genderless. While the asari are monogendered, they have a female form. Yes, I'm human and thus my species have both genders, but I felt massively connected to the asari because I too have a female form, yet view myself more as me than a woman. Complicated, probably confusing to those outside my head but it makes sense to me (yes I am technically a "tomboy" and do a pretty terrible job at going along with female gender roles, but it's not really a gender identity issue because I'm happy with being physically a woman). That and the fact that I am pansexual, so much like the asari, the soul is more important to me than the physical shell when it comes to love. Then when it turned out she was interested in my FemShep romantically... Let's just say I have two FemSheps completely loyal to her and I view her as my canon LI. {smilie}

That's all totally awesome!

[Eternal Dust]

CalamityRanger wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...

Sooo, I just wanted to chime in and say that the FemShepMiranda pictures made me reevaluate the fact that I would in fact be open for FemShepXMiranda...

You and OctoberFire have converted me. I hope you're happy with yourselves.... :innocent:

The one and only time I post a FemShepxMiranda picture and I've converted someone

These hands are magic!

[ArawnNox]

CalamityRanger wrote...
I['ve always felt there was a certain level of sexual tension between Ash and FemShep, there's a certain level of coyness the way they address each other that has left me pining for an actual relationship.

I know what you mean. Before I knew Ashley wasn't available I interpeted Hale's "Dismissed, Cheif" as a coy endeering tone.

[Zjarcal]

The Uncanny wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Questions: Why are you 'teh player' attached to the former LI that is your fave absolute all time bestest evar? Why is your Shepard into this character and why would s/he possibly be interested in pursuing a romance with that specific LI?

Okay... so there are two questions here: why am I attached to Miranda and why is Amy?

Firstly, I adore Miranda.

She's a strong capable woman with a mind of her own. She doesn't immediately fawn at Shepard's feet like most of the other characters which immediately made me like her. Yes, she has erected walls to protect herself from the things she's experienced, but she isn't unreachable. She just requires you to earn her trust.

Heh, funny that you mention how she disses Shepard at first. I was actually turned off by it when she did that, but looking back, it is part of why she ended up being such a memorable character. It was fun and satisfying to get to know her because it felt like you were really earning something (her trust in this case).

Now I myself I'm a Kelly girl and as long as she's in ME3, that's who I'll be with, but amongst the squadmate LIs, Miranda is by far my favorite.

And speaking from my character's point of view, she would also be a good match for her in the sense that they are both pragmatic (though my Shep's pragmatism is somewhat toned down in ME2) and my Shep trusts her completely. Not that anything will happen between them of course (again, Kelly... ), but it would be a coupling I'd be very satisfied with.

[jlb524]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I hope the fact the Ashley's MASS EFFECT COMIC SPOILER grandfather didn't want to withdraw from Shanxi and was forced to surrender END MASS EFFECT COMIC SPOILER  comes up in ME3.  I want to see her reaction to it.

I agree.

[bleetman]

Abispa wrote...

A secret to all the guys out there... GIRLS LOVE HAVING TO POWER TO SAVE YOU DUMMIES FROM YOURSELVES!

You're... specifically suggesting that we act dumb?

I think that's something we can manage, yes.

jlb524 wrote...

Questions: Why are you 'teh player' attached to the former LI that is your fave absolute all time bestest evar? Why is your Shepard into this character and why would s/he possibly be interested in pursuing a romance with that specific LI?

Hrmm. I'd honestly not given it much thought before now, in Ashley's case, what with it not actually being possible and all. Short of shrugging and meekly answering "I just plain like her", it's relatively straight forward I guess. She's honest, she's determined, and she can clear a bunker of armed hostiles in eight seconds flat. I'd grown irreparably fond of her by the time Virmire came around just by bringing her along everywhere I went.

Come to think of it, I'd be curious whether I'd still be so enthusiastic had I been playing a male Shepard. I mean, I didn't much like Kaidan or Liara in ME1 for various reasons, and chief amongst them was their tendancy to spring up "so hey, we should date" dialogue whenever I spoke to them. It put me off them as characters. Ashley, obviously, does none of that, and neither does Garrus, who my femShep ended up with in ME2. That'd be gloriously ironic if it turned out to have some substance to it.

Modifié par bleetman, 17 juin 2011 - 02:15 .

[jlb524]

bleetman wrote...

Come to think of it, I'd be curious whether I'd still be so enthusiastic had I been playing a male Shepard. I mean, I didn't much like Kaidan or Liara in ME1 for various reasons, and chief amongst them was their tendancy to spring up "so hey, we should date" dialogue whenever I spoke to them. It put me off them as characters. Ashley, obviously, does none of that, and neither does Garrus, who my femShep ended up with in ME2. That'd be gloriously ironic if it turned out to have some substance to it.

So you like the 'playing hard to get' thing

[Lenimph]

jlb524 wrote...

Questions: Why are you 'teh player' attached to the former LI that is your fave absolute all time bestest evar? Why is your Shepard into this character and why would s/he possibly be interested in pursuing a romance with that specific LI?

Although Liara is techinically my LI right now I really only thought of it as a settlement... even though I do like her I can't help the fact that Miranda is my favorite character of the ME series.  

I don't want to sound redundant because Uncanny pratically said everying I wanted to say... but I will restate the fact that she is flippin smexy... 

Now my Shepard didn't necessarily get along with Miranda right away.   She was physically attracted of course but she didn't want to trust Cerberus and particularly Miranda because of her high status with the Illusive man.  It was actually because of this distrust my Shep would bring her along to all the missions more she got to know Miranda the more she realized she was becoming infatuated.  She kept it to herself though since she was commited to Liara but that changed after Miranda quit Cerberus and told TIM off, at that moment my Shepard fell head over heels in love.  

Well anyway I'm hoping I can start a love triangle in ME3 ... if not I have my safety net...  
I mean I like Liara and all but... 

[bleetman]

jlb524 wrote...
So you like the 'playing hard to get' thing

Possibly. Or, rather, I like the 'subtlety' thing. Or the 'time for it to develop' thing. Rather than the 'I know I've only just come aboard your ship and all that but you intrigue me Shepard let's talk about how my species mates' thing, or whatever the heck goes on with Jacob.

Modifié par bleetman, 17 juin 2011 - 02:30 .

[Abispa]

Whenever I play a Shepard, I go for who I like, so my male Shepard has been lonely. I know Cinemax and popular media have this idea going that EVERY woman has an inner lesbian just waiting to bust out, but I like men and I usually find female LIs aimed directly at fanboys. If lesbians enjoy them to, then more power to you.

My female Shepards are all taken (Garrus, Kaidan, and Jacob), so if there are any new LIs in ME3, my three lonely male Shepards are going to go at them (Joker! Joker?).

My BF made me promise that I will be nice as I can if I should bring up Miranda. Not a fan. But I swear I wanted to be.

It is NOT her outfit. I don't mind a woman being comfortable showing off her assets, and she admits that she intentionally uses her looks. Her tendency to strike a Maxim pose while the game camera zooms in on her behind was annoying. Until Miranda, ME didn't venture into James Bond territory often, and I thought it seemed out of place.

I'm not going to bring up the catsuit and exposed skin in space or the Quarian fleet since I know the story-writers have no control over bizarre game design. ME1 had individual space suits after all.

A strong woman. That what I THOUGHT she was going to be. That is why I was so ready to be a Miranda fan when I saw the commercials.

She started off good. Suspicious. Abrasive. Even resentful. Awesome. I love drama. I love conflict. I was expecting that Bioware was going to introduce us to something we would eventually get in Dragon Age 2. A Rivalry system.

One mission and she's impressed. Huh? She's never been part of such a well run team? What? The top Cerberus operative is impressed with blowing up robots, piloting a shuttle, not getting into a shoot out with a squad lead by one of Shepard's best friends, and of course Shepard's amazing turning off TVs with an omni-tool.

Miranda almost immediately goes into her "pity me" low self esteem mode. I sometimes think those who enjoy her as a LI want to opportunity to be a parent as well as a lover of a hot chick.

She disagrees with Shepard on some decisions true. But Ashley and Kaidan made more of a fuss over Shepard's decisions in ME1 whenever she would take them aside after a meeting. Miranda gets shot down and she walks off, shaking her head. When Shepard talks to her later, she keeps talking about how she envies Shepard.

Liara in LotSB stood up to and argued with Shepard more in one DLC than Miranda did in all of ME2.

Save her sister in a contrived loyalty mission and she ready to tumble with male Shepard and declare complete loyalty to female Shepard. Even though TIM is the one creating Oriana's new life and protecting her family, Miranda to top Cerberus operative sides with Shepard over TIM, her chief and father figure for over a decade. If find Miranda's change of heart confusing because even a paragon Shepard would have good reason to save the base at the end of the game.

But Bioware is responsible for making it a choice of giving CERBERUS the base or blowing it up. I suppose Miranda would know better than anyone how lousy Cerberus is at handing dangerous technology. I wish Shepard had the option to call in the Salarian STG and the Quarians to salvage all the wrecked ships.

My BF says I shouldn't post this since it has nothing to do s/s romance and all I'm going to do is start a fight. So I guess I should tie it into the subject somehow.

Okay. I won't romance Miranda with a female Shepard. If I do create another female Shepard, I'll probably consider a s/s romance with Liara. One question to the Liara fans. Can you START a romance with Liara in LotSB, or do you have to start in ME1?

EDIT: I do NOT want to single out Miranda's loyallty mission as silly. Storyline wise, they were all too heavy handed in their attempts to get the characters to pull at our heart strings, using all the subtlty of a sledgehammer. Even my boy Garrus mission. At least Jacob's had the falcon punch.

Modifié par Abispa, 17 juin 2011 - 03:08 .

[ladyvader]

@Abispa To answer your question about romancing Liara. No, you can not start a romance with Liara in LotSB. It continues from ME1, but that does not mean that Liara won't be able to romance in ME3. That we just don't know.

I want to say this. Of all the characters in Mass Effect 1 or 2, the only character to me(my gaydar anyway) that is remotely bi is Jack. She has from her talks with her been with both. I don't think making Miranda bi or Ash for that matter makes much sense to me. If you read the dossier of Miri at the Shadow Broker base, every person from the dating service was male. I've never once gotten a vibe that Ash is bi either.

I, personally, would rather have a new character be the s/s partner for Shepard. Male or female. I have no vibe from any of the male characters either that they float that way.

I will do one more ME2 play through with a single femShep and still be single after ME2, so I can do a s/s in ME3. Doubt I do one for a maleShep. I prefer my femShep. I like Hale's work vs Meer's.

[Abispa]

@ ladyvader -- Thank you for the information.

Funny how you say you think Jack should be the only previous LI to go bi since I argued the exact opposite point earlier.

In an ideal world every LI should be fair game and people who skip the LIs should not feel cheated.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Abispa wrote...

When Jack turns my paragon Shepard down (while I was metagaming to see all the option), Shepard had spent the entire game listening to Jack rage, answering her questions, and being supportive of her decisions. Jack acknowledged that female Shepard had always been there for her, and then turned her down. She, Mordin and Samara left little room to manuever in creating new LI opportunities.

I am perfectly fine if every LI in ever RPG has a bisexual option, but I stick by my opinion that with Jack it is morally questionable and definite rewrite of continuity. At least in all other LI, the best those who object (and I'm not one of them) can do try to argue that a sexual persuasion is IMPLIED.

Most of the s/s interest for Jack and the 'nerdrage' over her not being romancable in ME2 comes from her line that she's been in bed with another couple. I'm perfectly willing to set it as her survivalist mentality doing what she thinks she needs to in order to survive, but there you have it. *shrugs* I know LI or not, I don't really have a Shepard that would want to be with Jack (Too Paragon).

Scripting wise is where the game hiccups. My Sheps are supportive, wanting to help and compassionate to those under them (mostly) but ME2 has those lines leading to 'romance' no matter waht so... eh.