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[Abispa]

I wonder if EA would dare run an ME3 ad during the Superbowl that is as daring as this one? Just replace the actors with Sheploo, Liara, Vega, and Kaidan.

[MACharlie1]

Abispa wrote...

I wonder if EA would dare run an ME3 ad during the Superbowl that is as daring as this one? Just replace the actors with Sheploo, Liara, Vega, and Kaidan.

The ad is supposed to be funny - you can't market ME3 as a "funny game". 


(and the first guy waving looks like Shep with the handlebar moustache) 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:10 .

[Collider]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Quething wrote...

But yeah, even without Ash(/Miranda/Jack), femShep is certainly doing better than dudeShep sans any proof of Kaidan and Vega, no question of that.

It's interesting that fewer people overall play FemShep and she has more romance options.

Truthfully? I think that has to do with F/F being more accepted and M/M.

Not so much accepted but rather "girl on girl is hot" to the straight male...guess who makes and plays these games? :innocent:

Welp, I meant to say "more accepted than," but it seems you caught on to that.

[Abispa]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I wonder if EA would dare run an ME3 ad during the Superbowl that is as daring as this one? Just replace the actors with Sheploo, Liara, Vega, and Kaidan.

The ad is supposed to be funny - you can't market ME3 as a "funny game". 

(and the first guy waving looks like Shep with the handlebar moustache) 

Yes, it is, yet strangely I feel as though a lot of ME fans wouldn't be laughing. God, but the about of nerd rage on this furom would be epic and glorious.

[Collider]

IsaacShep wrote...

Collider wrote...

Do you really care that much about "trilogy spanning romances," or is that justification for preferring Kaidan being M/M?

Considering we're the only option that won't have a full trilogy romance, yeah, I think it's fair to say having at least one quasi-trilogy romance is important.

It's already impossible for M/M to be on equal footing as F/F in the trilogy.

You might get Kaidan but you still lack actual same sex male content in the previous two games. Hence true "fairness" is unattainable.

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

It's already impossible for M/M to be on equal footing as F/F in the trilogy.

It's not. All m/m romances will be contained in ME3. FemShep will end up with 2 characters who have romance arcs spanning across multiple games - Kelly in ME1 & ME2, and Liara throughout the entire trilogy, biggest romance arc from all the LIs.

Collider wrote...

You might get Kaidan but you still lack actual same sex male content in the previous two games. Hence true "fairness" is unattainable.

Of course true 'fairness' is unattainable at this point since pevious 2 games have already been released without m/m romances, but that's why I said 'quasi-trilogy romance'. Having an m/m romance in ME3 with a character that was in the franchise from part 1 gives romance spin & context in retrospect to the previously non-romantic relations in ME1 & ME2 with that character.

[Quething]

But closer to fair is still preferable. You're not going to drop out of a game show contest once someone wins the top million-dollar prize if there's still a hundred-thousand dollar prize to win. If we're really going to not ask for anything because it's too late to have everything, we wouldn't have campaigned for s/s content in the first place after ME1.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Quething wrote...

But yeah, even without Ash(/Miranda/Jack), femShep is certainly doing better than dudeShep sans any proof of Kaidan and Vega, no question of that.

What's even more dissapointing is that *STORY SPOILERS*

Steve can die midway through the game but Samantha and Liara cannot.  Somebody at Bioware must have it in for GayShep.

[Collider]

It's not. All m/m romances will be contained in ME3.

It's impossible because the trilogy contains 3 games, and two of those have no real male homosexual content whatsoever. It's a done deal. The best they can do is to give options that are done well, rather than worrying about achieving a retrospective equalness that isn't possible.

Having an m/m romance in ME3 with a character that was in the franchise from part 1 gives romance spin & context in retrospect to the previously non-romantic relations in ME1 & ME2 with that character.

I guess. But it's still a pittance compared to Liara or even Kelly.
Hell, Kaidan can even be killed (in ME1 and ME3), so there's another way he can't be like Liara. The default male Shepard in ME2 has Kaidan dead (which matters for imports), and it's possible they're going to do something of the same sort in ME3. You'd run into the same "kill the gay guy" that happened with Zevran. You even get multiple options to kill him off, just like Zev.

If they're going to do M/M content - which is a big thing, I'd prefer it to be accessible to any player (and any Shepard) coming into the series at any time. Kaidan can't offer that. He can offer the false semblance of "trilogy spanning" which is far less important than having readily available gay content and options for players so inclined.

If they only did, say Steve & Kaidan, that means you could conceivably only have 1 M/M option for most Shepards. If they did Steve & Vega, there's 2 M/M options for ALL male Shepards.

I suppose you could say - why not have all 3? Okay, sure.
But Kaidan instead of Vega? Nope.

Modifié par Collider, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:32 .

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...
I guess. But it's still a pittance compared to Liara or even Kelly.

But even a pittance is more than not having a single m/m LI that gives any kind of a trilogy romance aspect. Having an option like that is important to many people.

Collider wrote...
Hell, Kaidan can even be killed (in ME1 and ME3), so there's another way he can't be like Liara. The default male Shepard in ME2 has Kaidan dead (which matters for imports)

But ME3 will have an in-game choices-generator at the beginning where you will be able to pick your VS.

Collider wrote...
, and it's possible they're going to do something of the same sort in ME3. You'd run into the same "kill the gay guy" that happened with Zevran. You even get multiple options to kill him off, just like Zev.

It will happen regardless if Kaidan is an option or not. Spoiler:

Cortez can be killed

Collider wrote...
If they're going to do M/M content - which is a big thing, I'd prefer it to be accessible to any player (and any Shepard) coming into the series at any time. Kaidan can't offer that. He can offer the false semblance of "trilogy spanning" which is far less important than having readily available gay content and options for players so inclined.

But there already is a guaranteed m/m LI in ME3 regardless of imports. The same as in the spoiler above.

Collider wrote...
I suppose you could say - why not have all 3? Okay, sure.

And that is what we want, the 3 of them. And it's pointless to argue about who's better than who at this point anyway. The game's like 2 weeks before going gold. It's done, one way or another. The only thing left for us ATM is to see who BioWare actually made an opion.

[Abispa]

Quething wrote...

But closer to fair is still preferable. You're not going to drop out of a game show contest once someone wins the top million-dollar prize if there's still a hundred-thousand dollar prize to win. If we're really going to not ask for anything because it's too late to have everything, we wouldn't have campaigned for s/s content in the first place after ME1.

I would LOVE for Bioware/EA to release the gameplay data of players taking advantage of s/s options when offered. If the stereotypical gamer [assumed to be heterosexual male] plays predominately male heroes who skip on romances, how many of the others only play males who are "straight" lovers? How many play as lesbains because they are "hawt" or because they can't bring themselves to romance male LIs even when playing as a woman? How many, you know, are kinda... curious to check out the m/m options for... role playing options? Can they tell if a heterosexual female player is playing a game? If so, how are THEY playing? Are they more likely to play the m/m options (since most game heroes till recently have been male they've been playing men for some time)? Do they usually skip romances with female LIs because they can't bring themselves to romance women in role playing, or maybe they find the female LIs stereotypical and insulting? I assume gay and bi players have little problem role-playing straight characters since, let's face it, the option to be gay or bi in a game is a recent development.

[Finis Valorum]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Somebody at Bioware must have it in for GayShep.

No surprise there, my money's on the executive with the biggest bonus.

Collider wrote...

I guess. But it's still a pittance compared to Liara or even Kelly.
Hell, Kaidan can even be killed (in ME1 and
ME3), so there's another way he can't be like Liara. The default male
Shepard in ME2 has Kaidan dead (which matters for imports), and it's
possible they're going to do something of the same sort in ME3. You'd
run into the same "kill the gay guy" that happened with Zevran. You
even get multiple options to kill him off, just like Zev.

All m/m content in ME3 is inevitably going to be a pittance even when compared against f/f against the backdrop of the trilogy, Kaidan at least allows us the illusion that there was something there from the beginning and yes the fact that he's the most drop dead gorgeuous character in the entire franchise is certainly a plus for me.
Also having the option of killing any and all gay guys is pretty much a given in any Bioware game (except possibly Jade Empire, can't remember if Sky was killable or not). 

[Ryzaki]

Everyone was killable in JE save Black whirlwind, the kid and the flight guy (and Zu who died automatically). Had nothing to do with being gay.

If you were CF you *had* to kill almost everyone. You could save your LI though.

In DAO as well everyone save Morrigan is killable. (Though you have to try really damn hard to kill Oghren).

DA2 allowed you to kill everyone save Aveline and Varric.

And in ME pretty much everyone's fair game to be killed save Liara.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:54 .

[Collider]

Spoiler: Is at the end of the game, I believe. Virmire is ME1 so Kaidan would already be dead by ME3.

But even a pittance is more than not having a single m/m LI that gives any kind of a trilogy romance aspect. Having an option like that is important to many people.

But is it more important than having more than one option for all Shepards? That's what I'm getting at.

And that is what we want, the 3 of them. And it's pointless to argue about who's better than who at this point anyway. The game's like 2 weeks before going gold. It's done, one way or another. The only thing left for us ATM is to see who BioWare actually made an opion.

True.

DA2 allowed you to kill everyone save Aveline and Varric.

I thought Aveline sides against you if you side with the mages and you don't have enough rivalry/friendship.

[TMA LIVE]

Considering Kaidan and Ash have Bi lines, how is the confrontation scene between Ash and Kaidan? Or does it not exist?

[Abispa]

Collider wrote...

I thought Aveline sides against you if you side with the mages and you don't have enough rivalry/friendship.

The only way I could see that happening is if Carver and/or Fenris is still alive and at your side. I tried a play through making her mad all the time and was pleasantly surprised to see the ginger battering ram beat up my reaver Hawke.

[Subject Alpha]

Yeah, I hope they keep Steve gay... If they make him bi, I'll be pretty annoyed <_<
And if they remove him entirely.... Well, BioWare's really asking for it then. first Joker... 

[Collider]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Considering Kaidan and Ash have Bi lines, how is the confrontation scene between Ash and Kaidan? Or does it not exist?

There are no voiced files for a Kaidan/Ash confrontation or anything like that.

The voice lines are basically male Shepard saying female Shepard's lines and vice versa.

See:


Which doesn't make any sense unless they were doing what I just said

Patrick Weeks also said that they planned no same sex romance with Ashley or Kaidan whatsoever, Hale and Meer simply have the same script to read

[nevar00]

Good to hear they finally got around to putting in some same sex relationships. I doubt it's a feature I will use anytime soon but it's great to finally expand the rp-ing boundaries, especially as this was such a requested feature for some.

[Abispa]

Subject Alpha wrote...

Yeah, I hope they keep Steve gay... If they make him bi, I'll be pretty annoyed <_<
And if they remove him entirely.... Well, BioWare's really asking for it then. first Joker... 

[shepskisaac]

oops wrong thread

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:20 .

[Quething]

Abispa wrote...

Collider wrote...

I thought Aveline sides against you if you side with the mages and you don't have enough rivalry/friendship.

The only way I could see that happening is if Carver and/or Fenris is still alive and at your side. I tried a play through making her mad all the time and was pleasantly surprised to see the ginger battering ram beat up my reaver Hawke.

Aveline will side against you only if every one of the following restrictions is met:

1) You side with the mages against the Annulment.
2) You haven't completed Fenris' final Questioning Beliefs, and he's not high enough in Friendship that you can convince him to your side during the courtyard confrontation.
3) Aveline herself is in Rivalry, but not at max Rivalry.
4) Your game doesn't bug.

4 seems particularly hard to meet. There may actually be a fourth variable, like maybe Hawke has to be a mage or something.

Even then, however, you can't kill her. She tells you off and then walks out of your life, but she refuses to fight you.

ANYWAY I'd argue there's a difference between "you can kill Leliana under fairly specific circumstances that require you recruit her and keep her around for half the game, including the entirety of a lengthy dungeon" or especially "you can kill Alistair offscreen after having him be a mandatory primary party member for nearly the entirety of the game" and "you can slit an unconscious Zevran's throat within seconds of your first encounter with him without ever even having to hear him speak."

DA2 is more equitable, I think. You're stuck with Anders no matter what, and even if you do kill him he gets the last word. Izzy you can't kill no matter how much her sexuality offends you, but you also don't have to recruit her. So I don't think there's that same dudebro disparity in the ability to punish NPCs for making you feel icky. Shame to think that it might be back in ME3 

Modifié par Quething, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:24 .

[MACharlie1]

Abispa wrote...

Collider wrote...

I thought Aveline sides against you if you side with the mages and you don't have enough rivalry/friendship.

The only way I could see that happening is if Carver and/or Fenris is still alive and at your side. I tried a play through making her mad all the time and was pleasantly surprised to see the ginger battering ram beat up my reaver Hawke.

And even if Aveline sides against you, she throws her sword down and walks away. 

"You mean nothing to me Hawke."