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[ladyvader]

Abispa wrote...

@ ladyvader -- Thank you for the information.

Funny how you say you think Jack should be the only previous LI to go bi since I argued the exact opposite point earlier.

In an ideal world every LI should be fair game and people who skip the LIs should not feel cheated.

I would be cool with it if they done that from the beginning, but they didn't.  It just seems odd to me do make everyone bi now. Esecially with the reaction with making Anders bi in DA2.  Isabela floated both ways in DA:O.   I want a s/s relationship.  I do not consider Liara a s/s relationship.  I got blasted for that view before, so I don't want to get back into it again.  

And you are quite welcome for the 411. 

[ladyvader]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

Abispa wrote...

When Jack turns my paragon Shepard down (while I was metagaming to see all the option), Shepard had spent the entire game listening to Jack rage, answering her questions, and being supportive of her decisions. Jack acknowledged that female Shepard had always been there for her, and then turned her down. She, Mordin and Samara left little room to manuever in creating new LI opportunities.

I am perfectly fine if every LI in ever RPG has a bisexual option, but I stick by my opinion that with Jack it is morally questionable and definite rewrite of continuity. At least in all other LI, the best those who object (and I'm not one of them) can do try to argue that a sexual persuasion is IMPLIED.

Most of the s/s interest for Jack and the 'nerdrage' over her not being romancable in ME2 comes from her line that she's been in bed with another couple. I'm perfectly willing to set it as her survivalist mentality doing what she thinks she needs to in order to survive, but there you have it. *shrugs* I know LI or not, I don't really have a Shepard that would want to be with Jack (Too Paragon).

Scripting wise is where the game hiccups. My Sheps are supportive, wanting to help and compassionate to those under them (mostly) but ME2 has those lines leading to 'romance' no matter waht so... eh.

It not just about her being in bed with a couple that she ended up killing.  She mentioned to Shepard about having a boy friend or girl friend.  No was the answer, but that comment set my gaydar off. 

I think a paragon Shepard male or female is good for Jack.  She needs a stable person in her life and Shepard could very well be that for her.  

[bleetman]

ladyvader wrote...

Esecially with the reaction with making Anders bi in DA2.

I'm hoping they don't take any heed of that. Some of those reactions made me cry inside.

Also outside, and all points inbetween.

[ladyvader]

bleetman wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Esecially with the reaction with making Anders bi in DA2.

I'm hoping they don't take any heed of that. Some of those reactions made me cry inside.

Also outside, and all points inbetween.

I agree, but it's still makes me worry some.  I've always wanted a s/s relationship in ME, but we really never got one until ME3.  I will use the first Fable game as an example.  I always went out of my way to find the one gay villager to marry.  Your character was only a guy.    I like playing my games that way.  I know, I'm weird, but it's just me.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Questions: Why are you 'teh player' attached to the former LI that is your fave absolute all time bestest evar? Why is your Shepard into this character and why would s/he possibly be interested in pursuing a romance with that specific LI?

Alice was attracted to Liara first for her bluntness, or rather her lack of social skills which resulted in not having a filter.  It was refreshing after having to deal with the button-down life of a soldier, where you had to keep your personal thoughts/feelings in check, and politicians whose words were always laced with double-meanings and hidden agendas.  Liara was always right there on the surface, holding nothing back.  Somehow that led to her being able to see through the facade Alice had constructed around herself when she became "Shepard" and inserted herself into the Commander role.  She made Alice feel like she could be more than just the soldier she felt she needed to be to get the job done, that it was her who was responsible for her accomplishments, not "Shepard".

Beyond that, Liara's intellect and determination astounded Alice.  For someone with no formal combat training, she threw herself into the missions full-force, steadfast in not being a liability to the crew.  She might have been afraid, but she never let her fear govern her.  And through it all she remained a voice of compassion and reason when it seemed like all the galaxy demanded the opposite.

[ElitePinecone]

The problem, perhaps, in being idealistic and hoping for a solely s/s LI (as in, not bisexual or quantum-gay-lesbian-straight-depending-on-the-player's-gender) is that from a development standpoint it's of questionable worth to devote resources to something that won't be widely used. I'm not privy to BW's budget or their decision making processes, but everything we've heard before has suggested that it's more cost effective to design and create bisexual LIs.

Also, @mackenzie - I'd love it if that spoilery-plot point you mentioned about Ash is resolved in ME3 as well. It really shines a new light on her big 'issue' from the first game.

[Clonedzero]

i'd be ok with a fully gay squadmate, even openly gay, even openly hitting on me. like if they made vega fully gay i'd be 100% cool with that. a big tough badass marine who happens to be openly gay? hell yeah i can roll with that, i probably wouldnt romance him but i'll gladly have him on my team.

[ERJAK2]

To me, all I care about in ME3 is that the romances are well done, and that Femshep gets AT LEAST 1 new female to choose from(Either Ashley, who I've wanted to romance since ME1 or Tali, who I've also wanted to romance since ME1).

Beyond that they can add Vorcha and Darkspawn for all I care. Good luck to you M/M people out there, I really do hope you get what your after but I hope I get what I'm after more

[Dreskar]

Don't know if its been said, but I throw my love to a MaleShep and Wrex, Garrus, Legion romance... muhaha gotta get some synthetic love

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

i, for one, totally support ss romances, can't understand why people are always so against them in videogames, everybody can choose whether you want to pursue them or not, like chris stated, so if you're not forced to do them, there's no problem.

i was really disappointed when i realised that miranda wouldn't be available for a little f/f with femshep, almost as angry as when i found out that bioware had taken the ashley f/f romance out of me 1

my pics for ME3: Miri and Ash available as f/f options, i don't really care about the m/m options since i'm not gonna play them, so don't have any ideas about that.
oh and kelly could use a romance upgrade..

[SennenScale]

Clonedzero wrote...

i'd be ok with a fully gay squadmate, even openly gay, even openly hitting on me. like if they made vega fully gay i'd be 100% cool with that. a big tough badass marine who happens to be openly gay? hell yeah i can roll with that, i probably wouldnt romance him but i'll gladly have him on my team.

I'd love to have a baddass gay marine as well. I think most people in this thread would like a tough baddass gay dude.

It's just that bi is more cost-effective for bioware, so that's why they never have an s/s only LI, even if they do write gay NPCs sometimes.

[KawaiiKatie]

Clonedzero wrote...

i'd be ok with a fully gay squadmate, even openly gay, even openly hitting on me. like if they made vega fully gay i'd be 100% cool with that. a big tough badass marine who happens to be openly gay? hell yeah i can roll with that, i probably wouldnt romance him but i'll gladly have him on my team.

I want this more than I have ever wanted anything ever.

............except for maybe bisexual!Kaidan.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 17 juin 2011 - 09:15 .

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

i have no probs with openly gay chars ever. I prefer having a choice to having it forced on me.

The thing about ashley for f/f is for me the classic bff's turns into more for my femshep chars that didn't romance liara, because i only did that like 2 times and i have 6 or so femshep chars waitng for some ash girl on girl:wub:

[lazuli]

bleetman wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Esecially with the reaction with making Anders bi in DA2.

I'm hoping they don't take any heed of that. Some of those reactions made me cry inside.

Also outside, and all points inbetween.

Agreed.  Anders' sexuality wasn't what was wrong with him.  And that all the LI's were bi wasn't what was wrong with DA2.

[Siansonea]

Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...

i have no probs with openly gay chars ever. I prefer having a choice to having it forced on me.

The thing about ashley for f/f is for me the classic bff's turns into more for my femshep chars that didn't romance liara, because i only did that like 2 times and i have 6 or so femshep chars waitng for some ash girl on girl:wub:

I like openly gay/lesbian characters too, but not if it comes off as "Hi Player Character, I'll be your openly gay character for this game!" I like it when it's a part of the character, but not their defining trait. Just one of many things about them that makes them interesting.

[NICKjnp]

A coue things about making previous characters bisexual.

1) Every squadmate except for Liara could be dead.

2) They didn't show interest before so I think it is out of place for them to all of a sudden become axbisexual LI.

3) Certain characters don't fit the mold. Kaidan speaks about women a lot in ME1. Ashley is clearly Christian, Muslim, or Jewish (which would be against her belief system...almost all Christians/Muslims/Jews who say people have the right to be who they are and that gay people are born gay still believe personally that homosexual acts are wrong). Jack has stated she isn't into women (and she has probably tried in order to make sure of that). Miranda seems strong and confident enough to know if she was into women or not AND would have already made a move in ME2. Garrus, Thane, Jacob and Tali we don't have info about but those mentioned above seem. out of place to me.

[NICKjnp]

So...new Chracters should be the bisexual ones. Leave the old characters as they are. And it is good that Bioware is making the option available for Gay gamers.

[AngelicMachinery]

NICKjnp wrote...

2) They didn't show interest before so I think it is out of place for them to all of a sudden become axbisexual LI.
Ashley is clearly Christian, Muslim, or Jewish (which would be against her belief system...almost all Christians/Muslims/Jews who say people have the right to be who they are and that gay people are born gay still believe personally that homosexual acts are wrong).

You do realize that  not all Monotheists completely mesh with what the church demands.  I have a few bi/gay friends that are still openly devout...  they even go to church.   Really while it is possible that she is straight,  she isn't straight because she's of an abrahamic faith.  There's a lot of things in the bible that she doesn't seem to do,  even the big ole "Though Shalt Not Kill."

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 17 juin 2011 - 03:32 .

[NICKjnp]

I do realize that I have a BA in Religious studies and that I know more about the intricacies of the many sects of Jewish, Christian, and Muslim faiths.

[AngelicMachinery]

NICKjnp wrote...

I do realize that I have a BA in Religious studies and that I know more about the intricacies of the many sects of Jewish, Christian, and Muslim faiths.

If you know that than why  did you list as her reason for being straight?  I have NO problem with the character's orentation being set to hetero,  but,  I do despise the whole argument "Christian=No ******."

[stysiaq]

Well, it's been 20 pages since my last post, so I read just the page 40 and 41, feel free to update me on the discussion.

@Siansonea: You told me 20 pages ago to focus on the propositins "how ss romances should be implemented, now that we know they will happen", so I'll try that.

First off, we don;t know how the human society exactly looks like in ME universe - even if BioWare creates a work of sci-fi they didn't give us proper info on it; There are no Human: Society or even Human: Religion codex entries, which would provide some insight. We just know some basic facts, like the gap between poor & rich is even wider.
Personally, I think thats because BioWare tried to avoid more controversy, whereas proposing a model of human society where, in XXII century - for example - 75% are athesist or agnostic, or homosexuals don't have to fight for their rights anymore would surely cause serious trouble in some of the media.
Point is: we don't know, if ME universe homosexuals hide in the closet, or if nobody gives a damn about it. It would be perfectly ok, if that Sanders guy was openely gay and told it when he would have the very first opportunity (f.e. some friendship talk).

I'm against turning Kaidan bi, just for the sake of having more than gay romance option. And I'm against turning Kaidan bi just for the sake of having one gay romance option.

Frankly, I guess that heterosexual LIs will be multiple, and there will be also 1 ****** LI. Multiple gay options for each gender lead to huge material in Fox News. But again, who am I to tell.

@NICKjnp: I always thought, that Ashley worships FSM! Also, we don't know much about human religious beliefs in ME universe.

Modifié par stysiaq, 17 juin 2011 - 03:43 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

The real world Lutheran church down the street from me has a gay pastor and is open and inclusive to all.

That said...

This is Mass Effect, not the real world, so discussion of religion is off-topic. Suffice to say that Ashley's vaguely professed monotheism is hardly an impediment to unlocking a s/s romance with her.

[NICKjnp]

I'm saying it is more likely for a Jewish/Christian/Muslim (though not all because there are some sects that are specifically gay sects) to choose not to enter a s/s relationship because their beliefs tell them it is wrong.

[AngelicMachinery]

NICKjnp wrote...

I'm saying it is more likely for a Jewish/Christian/Muslim (though not all because there are some sects that are specifically gay sects) to choose not to enter a s/s relationship because their beliefs tell them it is wrong.

They're also typically against premarital sex,  and Ashley puts out in four conversations...  that's not particularly moral in an abrahamic sense is it?

[stysiaq]

ME society ain't no today's society. This is sci-fi.