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[SageOfLife]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Sbarge didn't really truly confirm it.  He said something like "I think so" and was open to the possiblilty.

I've checked that thread multiple times. He said he did the dialogue and was open to its implementation.

[shepskisaac]

SageOfLife wrote...

That said, there's still the fact that Sbarge confirmed for a fan that he performed the dialogue for a m/m romance. And yet this dialogue is absent from the leaked script.

When Raphael confirmed Kaidan gay romance, he only had 1 VA session completed (out of like 20 in total lol) back then. It was in early June. He didn't say he already recorded the romance dialogues. He said that BioWare mentioned it (mShep/Kaidan romance) to him and that they (BioWare) are still writing it. The leak is estimated by most fans to come from around summer, between E3 (early June) up to Gamescom (August) so technically it still would fit Kaidan's gay romance wouldn't be in the scrip yet.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:10 .

[SageOfLife]

Seems like an odd thing to mention and not follow up on.

[shepskisaac]

SageOfLife wrote...

Seems like an odd thing to mention and not follow up on.

Not sure I understand

[SageOfLife]

What I mean is, why would they bring up something like that to the voice actors, and then not do anything with it.

[Finis Valorum]

SageOfLife wrote...

Bioware always struck me as smart enough to realize the public and economic consequences of insulting a group by giving them crumbs then expecting them to be happy. In fact, everything I've seen indicates that the whole reason they're finally doing it now is that they realized how bad they were making themselves look by leaving it out the first two times and their flailing around in an attempt to excuse it.
That said, there's still the fact that Sbarge confirmed for a fan that he performed the dialogue for a m/m romance. And yet this dialogue is absent from the leaked script. This is especially odd given the reason why we know these options were planned for the first two games. .

From what I've seen and heard of EA's executives they always strike me as a rather sleazy bunch so I'm not surprised they're of the mindset that both their employees and their customers should be ectstatic about any crumbs they deign to throw them.

While I have no doubt Sbarge said that in good faith, he's neither a writer nor a designer for this game, he just provides voice talent (and does so rather well if I may say so).
Considering m/m content was apparently proposed somewhere in the development cycle and then subsequently cut before the game went gold twice before, I think its safe to assume that someone pretty high up the Bioware/EA foodchain does not look favourably upon this sort of content getting published in their games.
So considering the precedent that m/m content was proposed and cut twice before it doesn't strike me as all that odd if they've again cut a substantial part of the m/m content this time as well, leaving us with just some crumbs.

[shepskisaac]

SageOfLife wrote...

What I mean is, why would they bring up something like that to the voice actors, and then not do anything with it.

My point is that perhaps the leak is exactly from around June, when they were still writing m/m romances and didn't implement Kaidan's in the script yet even though they already told Rapherl (and Freddy maybe too) that there will be also gay romances for their characters.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Considering m/m content was apparently proposed somewhere in the development cycle and then subsequently cut before the game went gold twice before,

Male/male romances were never planned at all in ME2.  That's a misconception.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:22 .

[Collider]

You can't cut something that wasn't there in the first place.

Bioware/EA foodchain does not look favourably upon this sort of content getting published in their games.

Dragon Age?

[Collider]

m/m romances were never planned at all in ME2. That's a misconception.

Or in ME1.

[Finis Valorum]

Collider wrote...

You can't cut something that wasn't there in the first place.

Bioware/EA foodchain does not look favourably upon this sort of content getting published in their games.

Dragon Age?

Different prjoect, different team, likely different target audience, perhaps under purview of a different executive at EA as well Me being Scifi and DA being fantasy and all.

Besides, I get the distinct feeling DA3 will be back to just the token gay option if any.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Besides, I get the distinct feeling DA3 will be back to just the token gay option if any.

One of the writers (forgot which one, they all run the same to me) flat out said they won't do exclusively gay romances in DA. They will probably stick with the bisexual/straight romances like in the other games.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:28 .

[Collider]

Different prjoect, different team, likely different target audience,
perhaps under purview of a different executive at EA as well Me being
Scifi and DA being fantasy and all.

Right. I don't think it's a Bioware/EA thing so much as a Mass Effect/video games in general thing.

Modifié par Collider, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:27 .

[shepskisaac]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Male/male romances were never planned at all in ME2.  That's a misconception.

I have different opinion: clicky check Patrick's response in the comments

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

IsaacShep wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Male/male romances were never planned at all in ME2.  That's a misconception.

I have different opinion: clicky check Patrick's response in the comments

That's really too vague to say for certain that gay options were once in the planning stages.

[Finis Valorum]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

One of the writers (forgot which one, they all run the same to me) flat out said they won't do exclusively gay romances in DA.

And having a single bisexual male character who favours the ladies but might be persuaded to bang the male player as well is somehow more than a token gay option?
Don't get me wrong I liked Zev, but s/s lovers weren't exactly spoiled for choice in DA:O.
And while Zev clearly seemed to favour the ladies I got the opposite vibe from the Bi female, Leliana.

[shepskisaac]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

That's really too vague to say for certain that gay options were once in the planning stages.

Well there had to be a reason why he was optimistic regarding male gay romance Jaesun (hi codex!) asked about

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:33 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

IsaacShep wrote...
Well there had to be a reason why he was optimistic regarding male gay romance Jaesun (hi codex!) asked about

Who knows?  He might have been misinformed before, or it could have been veeeeeery early on in the planning stages.  There's nothing in the ME2 files themselves even hinting at anything.  Unless Bioware 'fesses up, we may never know.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:37 .

[Blacklash93]

I'm not bothered if Cortez is the only S/S option for males. He seems like a good character, even if he pales in comparison to Vega. Him being exclusive would be a huge plus.

It's not being fine with crumbs, but rather being fine with being given what you're commercially worth. I know I'm a minority and I won't get as much the majority gets and that's just something I have to make peace with. That doesn't mean I'm not going to fight tooth and nail when I want opportunities that will increase my enjoyment of a piece of entertainment, though.

But really, I'd say an entire romance dedicated to M/M or F/F is a pretty big deal and gesture by Bioware.

[Ryzaki]

To be honest I'd be more upbeat about it if it was someone very important to the plot. But that's just me being picky.

[shepskisaac]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Who knows?  He might have been misinformed before, or it could have been veeeeeery early on in the planning stages.  There's nothing in the ME2 files themselves even hinting at anything.  Unless Bioware 'fesses up, we may never know.

So yet another misinformed person? First Raphel now one of ME2 writers? I get you're sceptical, but now you're just denying everything with the same 'misinformed' reason that's pure speculation versus their own words. And even if it was very early on, it was still on, that's the point. It is NOT like the topic of male/male romances never even appeared in any single Mass Effect developer's mind in the past 4 years until May this year

Blacklash93 wrote...

I know I'm a minority and I won't get as much the majority gets and that's just something I have to make peace with.

You don't have to. Engineer players are also in minority, black Shep players are in minority, Renegade Shep players are in minority. They, just as you CAN demand that ALL choices should be equally rich in a game that touts choice as one of its key ascpets.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:49 .

[Collider]

I do have to say that I'm tired of every M/M love interest (with the exception of Steve) portrayed as being more inclined towards women than men.
Unfortunately, Kaidan, Vega, and Joker would all be examples of this, too.

Jacob, Thane, and Garrus as well now that we're on the ME2 subject.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Blacklash93 wrote...
Him being exclusive would be a huge plus.

I think it's great that he's exclusive, but it's not as bold of a move as Bioware thinks.  FemShep players already have a harem of males to choose form, I don't think anyone's clamoring for FemShep users to want a Cortez romance.

What would really impress me is if Bioware made a awesome, interesting, attracted male squad-member that is relatively important to the plot and make him exlusively gay.  It would be a first for Bioware (and all the epic whining of hardcore FemShep players would be very amusing).

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 27 janvier 2012 - 02:50 .

[Ryzaki]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
Him being exclusive would be a huge plus.

I think it's great that he's exclusive, but it's not as bold of a move as Bioware thinks.  FemShep players already have a harem of males to choose form, I don't think anyone's clamoring for FemShep users to be a romance.

What would really impress me is if Bioware made a awesome, interesting, attracted male option that is central to the plot and make him exlusively gay.  It would be a first for Bioware (and all the epic whining of hardcore FemShep players would be very amusing).

That's just mean.

The only whining that would be amusing is those FemShep players that demand their LIs stay straight and only straight.