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[Augoeides]

Abispa wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Pfft. I saw plenty of people buying the asari aren't females excuse.

Maybe, but I can bet not a single one of them would be saying "totally not s/s roamnce" had they looked like in the pic I posted

I forgot who said it on this thread originally, but if a female romancing an Asari isn't really gay/bi, a male romancing an Asari isn't really straight.

That is pure genius. Must remember this.

[Ryzaki]

Ah well. I guess my Sheps'll have to deal with all having the same taste in men.

As for the comment that a male isn't straight if he romances an Asari...myself, Sian and a few others in the FFTL thread have said that.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 janvier 2012 - 03:33 .

[Abispa]

Male Asari. They don't have tentacles, apparently.

[android654]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Pfft. I saw plenty of people buying the asari aren't females excuse.

Maybe, but I can bet not a single one of them would be saying "totally not s/s roamnce" had they looked like in the pic I posted

I kind of wished they did that with the Drell when they were first introduced. Monogendered species can be exclusive to intelligent life. But then there are the unfortunate questions of the birthing process and since Drell are amphibious that would involve eggs and an expanding/contracting oraphus.

No es sexy.

[shepskisaac]

Abispa wrote...



Male Asari. They don't have tentacles, apparently.

omg xDDD

[Ryzaki]

android654 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Pfft. I saw plenty of people buying the asari aren't females excuse.

Maybe, but I can bet not a single one of them would be saying "totally not s/s roamnce" had they looked like in the pic I posted

I kind of wished they did that with the Drell when they were first introduced. Monogendered species can be exclusive to intelligent life. But then there are the unfortunate questions of the birthing process and since Drell are amphibious that would involve eggs and an expanding/contracting oraphus.

No es sexy.

I liked my incubus idea in the old thread.

[android654]

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Pfft. I saw plenty of people buying the asari aren't females excuse.

Maybe, but I can bet not a single one of them would be saying "totally not s/s roamnce" had they looked like in the pic I posted

I kind of wished they did that with the Drell when they were first introduced. Monogendered species can be exclusive to intelligent life. But then there are the unfortunate questions of the birthing process and since Drell are amphibious that would involve eggs and an expanding/contracting oraphus.

No es sexy.

I liked my incubus idea in the old thread.

Care to share?

[ElitePinecone]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I'm not bothered if Cortez is the only S/S option for males. He seems like a good character, even if he pales in comparison to Vega. Him being exclusive would be a huge plus.

It's not being fine with crumbs, but rather being fine with being given what you're commercially worth. I know I'm a minority and I won't get as much the majority gets and that's just something I have to make peace with. That doesn't mean I'm not going to fight tooth and nail when I want opportunities that will increase my enjoyment of a piece of entertainment, though.

But really, I'd say an entire romance dedicated to M/M or F/F is a pretty big deal and gesture by Bioware.

This. 

I understand that people would be disappointed if Cortez were the only option. I'm sympathetic to the idea that m/m options, in a perfect world, should be at least as numerous as f/f - and that ideally, players should have some sort of choice. 

But for two years (three?) this thread and its predecessors suggested to Bioware that having more s/s options in Bioware games would be a good thing, a sensible thing and probably even a fairer thing. We pointed out that there was a market for s/s content, that their explanations for its absence were pretty farcical, and that a not-insignificant section of their fanbase would be more engaged with the universe if it featured greater diversity. 

They did this, in ME3. They didn't need to. They didn't have to. It almost certainly would've been easier, cheaper and simpler not to. By all accounts, s/s romances weren't even on the cards up until about eight months ago. 

But they did it. Yes, it might not be as much as you'd hoped - and it might not even be with characters that you'd hoped it would be with. 

But remember: Bioware are under no obligation to provide anything to anybody. S/s romances provoke a storm of conrtroversy in any media, particularly videogames. This studio is literally one of the only ones - the only ones - to create s/s content that is unique, fleshed-out, story-appropriate and relatively inclusive. Every time they do, a legion of privileged and entitled people scream that there's too much s/s content in the game, or that it's too obvious, explicit or in the player's face. A studio wishing to avoid controversy may just cut s/s content altogether, and save themselves the trouble. 

I'm not going to say 'don't be disappointed'. But being angry with Bioware for not going far enough, when they had no obligation to do anything to begin with, seems a little unfair.

Plus it looks a little odd when the same people who were celebrating and lauding Bioware's inclusion of s/s romances a few months ago are now upset because it isn't the type or amount they wanted. 

[SageOfLife]

Anything worth doing is worth doing right.

[Ryzaki]

android654 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Pfft. I saw plenty of people buying the asari aren't females excuse.

Maybe, but I can bet not a single one of them would be saying "totally not s/s roamnce" had they looked like in the pic I posted

I kind of wished they did that with the Drell when they were first introduced. Monogendered species can be exclusive to intelligent life. But then there are the unfortunate questions of the birthing process and since Drell are amphibious that would involve eggs and an expanding/contracting oraphus.

No es sexy.

I liked my incubus idea in the old thread.

Care to share?

Here.

Granted my idea was basically "male asari." 

[shepskisaac]

I'm reading that Tali dialogue. So, it seems to me she also can be romanced even if you didn't in ME2? There are lines like:

(couldn't get the coloring to work ugh..)

Great... So straight ManShep has even more new romance options in ME3 lol...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:11 .

[MACharlie1]

IsaacShep wrote...

I'm reading that Tali dialogue. So, it seems to me she also can be romanced even if you didn't in ME2? There are lines like: (highlight)

[snip]

Great... So straight ManShep has even more new romance options in ME3 lol...

...unless it's for FemShep. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:16 .

[Collider]

This.

I understand that people would be disappointed if Cortez were the only option. I'm sympathetic to the idea that m/m options, in a perfect world, should be at least as numerous as f/f - and that ideally, players should have some sort of choice.

But for two years (three?) this thread and its predecessors suggested to Bioware that having more s/s options in Bioware games would be a good thing, a sensible thing and probably even a fairer thing. We pointed out that there was a market for s/s content, that their explanations for its absence were pretty farcical, and that a not-insignificant section of their fanbase would be more engaged with the universe if it featured greater diversity.

They did this, in ME3. They didn't need to. They didn't have to. It almost certainly would've been easier, cheaper and simpler not to. By all accounts, s/s romances weren't even on the cards up until about eight months ago.

But they did it. Yes, it might not be as much as you'd hoped - and it might not even be with characters that you'd hoped it would be with.

But remember: Bioware are under no obligation to provide anything to anybody. S/s romances provoke a storm of conrtroversy in any media, particularly videogames. This studio is literally one of the only ones - the only ones - to create s/s content that is unique, fleshed-out, story-appropriate and relatively inclusive. Every time they do, a legion of privileged and entitled people scream that there's too much s/s content in the game, or that it's too obvious, explicit or in the player's face. A studio wishing to avoid controversy may just cut s/s content altogether, and save themselves the trouble.

I'm not going to say 'don't be disappointed'. But being angry with Bioware for not going far enough, when they had no obligation to do anything to begin with, seems a little unfair.

Plus it looks a little odd when the same people who were celebrating and lauding Bioware's inclusion of s/s romances a few months ago are now upset because it isn't the type or amount they wanted.

Well said.

[shepskisaac]

Edit those line out MACharlie1 xD couldn't get the coloring to work for some reason

MACharlie1 wrote...
...unless it's for FemShep.

... if it is another f/f LI and we only have 1, I will rage

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:12 .

[Ryzaki]

MACharlie1 wrote...
...unless it's for FemShep. 

I swear if Tali and Garrus can only be romanced by o/s Shepard in ME3 (and it's a new romance) I will rage.

That better not be Tali.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:12 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I'm not bothered if Cortez is the only S/S option for males. He seems like a good character, even if he pales in comparison to Vega. Him being exclusive would be a huge plus.

I'm being too hard on Cortez, I admit. I really would like to see what he looks like before making any final judgments.

And call me a cynical S.O.B. but I'm thinking part of the reason we are seeing male/male content NOW is because of PR reasons.  Bioware has been often praised by the media for being the forefunner of having significant GLBT in their games, as they should (Well, maybe not the "T" part.)  I think they want to keep their status.  It makes sense as a year ago they were insisting Male Shepard was 100% straight.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

I swear if Tali and Garrus can only be romanced by o/s Shepard in ME3 (and it's a new romance) I will rage.

That better not be Tali.

Those are lines from the same dialogue you said was Tali's (about Ash, Liara & Cortez and being lonely)

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I swear if Tali and Garrus can only be romanced by o/s Shepard in ME3 (and it's a new romance) I will rage.

That better not be Tali.

Those are lines from the same dialogue you said was Tali's (about Ash, Liara & Cortez and being lonely)

*pulls hair*

DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT

Watch me not get my s/s Garrus. *screams* 

[SageOfLife]

If they do something about Tali's gay following without also doing something about Kaidan's...

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

*pulls hair*

DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT

Watch me not get my s/s Garrus. *screams*

I'm pulling hair thinking just how many new romance options they're implementing for straight ManShep. Liara, Ashley, Diana (she's gonna be either straight or bi) and now Tali also seems to be re-romancable. And then there's the issue of Shiala & Gianna hinted in previous games. And that's after straight ManShep already had SIX romance options and tons of flings in previous games. All while we're wondering if we're gonna get more than a single m/m LI

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*pulls hair*

DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT

Watch me not get my s/s Garrus. *screams*

I'm pulling hair thinking just how many new romance options they're implementing for straight ManShep. Liara, Ashley, Diana (she's gonna be either straight or bi) and now Tali also seems to be re-romancable. And then there's the issue of Shiala & Gianna hinted in previous games. And that's after straight ManShep already had SIX romance options and tons of flings in previous games. All while we're wondering if we're gonna get more than a single m/m LI

It's hilarious in the sad way don't you think? 

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
It's hilarious in the sad way don't you think? 

And it's the reason why it's hard to me to take "well, I should be glad I'm getting anything at all" approach, when I see BW happily spending time to give ManShep another harem while *possibly* only willing to take time for 1 m/m LI

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*pulls hair*

DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT

Watch me not get my s/s Garrus. *screams*

I'm pulling hair thinking just how many new romance options they're implementing for straight ManShep. Liara, Ashley, Diana (she's gonna be either straight or bi) and now Tali also seems to be re-romancable. And then there's the issue of Shiala & Gianna hinted in previous games. And that's after straight ManShep already had SIX romance options and tons of flings in previous games. All while we're wondering if we're gonna get more than a single m/m LI

FemShep gets even more, because of Vega, haha.  And a bunch of hers (I'm counting 4) get plot armor, too!

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:24 .

[catharsisboo]

Wait, what? Tali is ME3 romanceable now?

[shepskisaac]

catharsisboo wrote...

Wait, what? Tali is ME3 romanceable now?

Based on the lines, it seems so. Granted, there's less evidence to that than to Ash & Liara who are beyond any doubt available to re-romance again, but urhm, yeah, I kinda don't see how these lines could be interpeted differently than Tali proposing a relationship to Shep if you didn't romance her in ME2 and if you're still not involved with anyone else

EDIT: Ryzaki, unban my sexy ass from the FFTL spoiler group, I don't want to post spoilers here and I need to conduct new CSI investigation on this sheet!

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .