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#1501
AngelicMachinery

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slimgrin wrote...

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slimgrin wrote...

Ashley's a xenophobe, the last person who would be BI imo. Ahh retconning...


I seriously doubt the female body would qualify as "xeno," or foreign/strange to Ashley.


Having sex with the female body might.

I'll quit now. Its good Bioware is doing this, I just wish they'd keep character and lore intact when they do sequels. 


Your reasoning is silly though,  I mean... mind boggilingly so.  

I don't trust aliens does not equal,  eww no ******.

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Siansonea II wrote...

I like openly gay/lesbian characters too, but not if it comes off as "Hi Player Character, I'll be your openly gay character for this game!" I like it when it's a part of the character, but not their defining trait. Just one of many things about them that makes them interesting.


Wait a minute Sian. Which games have had openly gay characters? (aside from TW2 which has a lesbian Sorceress)

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^Fallout New Vegas has two openly gay companions.

#1504
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Juhani in KoTOR as well.

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slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I like openly gay/lesbian characters too, but not if it comes off as "Hi Player Character, I'll be your openly gay character for this game!" I like it when it's a part of the character, but not their defining trait. Just one of many things about them that makes them interesting.


Wait a minute Sian. Which games have had openly gay characters? (aside from TW2 which has a lesbian Sorceress)


Oh I don't know. I was just saying that if it came across that way, I'd eyeroll. ;)

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And yes, let's everybody dial back our zeal in defending our views. We're all allowed to have differing opinions, it's no one's job to convince everyone else to agree. A person having a different opinion in no way impinges upon our right to our own viewpoint. I certainly don't expect everyone to share my personal take on things, even my closest friends. There's room in the pool for everybody. :wizard:

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@ NICKjnp: i'm gonna say it this way, i do agree that religion can in our time be a reason for a person not to act on bisexual or homosexual feelings, although this is imo more of an american truth, if you're not from the usa i apologise for being presumptious.
In Germany, and most of continental western europe, exept spain/portugal, religion is no reason at all for a person to not be gay, example from my life, one of my classmates, totally gay, probably the most devout person i know, of course that is my germa-lutheran viewpoint.
However in almost 200 years, with the state of things now concerning religious ideals and the whole homophobia controversies, i think it won't be that big a deal anymore, especially in europe,
hello: we germans have an openly gay secretary of state!
if you take the books into account its even more unlikely that religion will be a reason for a person to not be gay, as stated on the first pages of revelation(first novel), just about every religious mythology was adjusted after the discovery of the marsian prothean ruins, if you then take hendel into account, an oppenly gay oficer and instructor at a military run boarding school, i really don't think that in the ME universe religion and homophobia are that ig a problem, its more plausible, in the games, i'm referring to some of ashley's dialogue in ME 1, that being religious is frowned upon, since ashley clearly states that many peole are not that exited about her faith, however stong it may be.

you argumented well from your point of view, but you are refering to real life, not the actual bioware created sci-fi universe we are all speculating about ;)

Modifié par Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger, 17 juin 2011 - 06:21 .


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Hey everybody, I created a poll to get a feel for where the community is at regarding implementation, you may view it here, and please vote!

http://social.biowar...64/polls/21254/

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Siansonea II wrote...

Hey everybody, I created a poll to get a feel for where the community is at regarding implementation, you may view it here, and please vote!

http://social.biowar...64/polls/21254/


Bisexual Old And New ~~ Have one or two existing LIs expanded to include s/s, and have new characters in the mix as well
This is really the best, most realistic realistic (story wise) and most fair to everything and everyone option. I would ask people to vote for this. 1/2 old LIs opening up + new characters. A good mix of both without making all old characters (and/or new) bi as that would be unrealistic.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 juin 2011 - 08:10 .


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Just a little comment on the ashley as a xenophobic religious nutjob...

I don't think she's that but she is one of the few characters that found it important enough to mention her spiritual side or distrust of aliens. So It must kinda matter to her...

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IsaacShep wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey everybody, I created a poll to get a feel for where the community is at regarding implementation, you may view it here, and please vote!

http://social.biowar...64/polls/21254/


Bisexual Old And New ~~ Have one or two existing LIs expanded to include s/s, and have new characters in the mix as well
This is really the best, most realistic realistic (story wise) and most fair to everything and everyone option. I would ask people to vote for this. 1/2 old LIs opening up + new characters. A good mix of both without making all old characters (and/or new) bi as that would be unrealistic.

I agree that it's the best and most realistic option, but the dilemma is whether the old LIs opening up are the ones that people want. If they go this route, I wonder how they will determine which ones should be bi.

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Abispa wrote...

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1.) You have not one bit  conclusive evidence about what the "girls club" line meant.  I've used IDENTICAL language to describe myself....but that's because I'm a bit of a tomboy who doesn't do the fashion, feelings etc bs. discussion with other women, especially straight ones.  Doesn't not make me into women.


I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I'm pretty sure that Jack was using "girls' club" the way I thought and not the way that you've used it in the past. Granted, I don't have concrete proof of this, but with the exception of Hale's "Shepard in heat" performance with Jacob, a DLC moment at the end of LotSB (sitting on the bed), and while wearing a DLC-only dress with Kasumi, my female Shepard has NEVER had a moment to be girly or feminine, especially not while Jack is around. And Jack spent the entire game being completely open about her feelings, which is why the rest of the crew keeps wetting themselves.


Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents' worth re: the "girls' club" line. As some others have said, it never occurred to me that Jack was saying "I don't swing that way". I always took it to mean "chatting isn't my thing". My Shepard isn't particularly girly or into touchy-feely chats either, but Shepard in general does tend to spend a lot of time going round the ship, checking in on everyone. While Jack does open up to an extent, eventually she's had enough and tells Shepard so. 

So I have no problem with the idea of Jack as a potential bi LI. I do agree that the line is completely open to interpretation, though.

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octoberfire wrote...
I agree that it's the best and most realistic option, but the dilemma is whether the old LIs opening up are the ones that people want. If they go this route, I wonder how they will determine which ones should be bi.

They should take into consideration who makes the most sense and also who is the most demanded. With guys, it's easy - Kaidan, the original male LI, the most demanded for s/s option since day 1 and considered as the most likely (for whatever reasons) to be bi by both gay and straight players. Not to mention he already has an explanation why he didn't hit on ManShep in ME1.

Now with girls, it gets harder. Tali, Ash, Miranda, Jack are all similary popular, there's no undisputed first-choice here like in the guys' group.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 juin 2011 - 08:39 .


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... You guys/girls are trying hard to break up my buddy garrus's relationship with kelly...

Shame on you...

*lol*

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Stealthy Giraffe wrote...

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents' worth re: the "girls' club" line. As some others have said, it never occurred to me that Jack was saying "I don't swing that way". I always took it to mean "chatting isn't my thing". My Shepard isn't particularly girly or into touchy-feely chats either, but Shepard in general does tend to spend a lot of time going round the ship, checking in on everyone. While Jack does open up to an extent, eventually she's had enough and tells Shepard so. 

So I have no problem with the idea of Jack as a potential bi LI. I do agree that the line is completely open to interpretation, though.


okay, if they do that, PLS BIOWARE GIVE HER A NEW HAIRSTYLE!!!!!!!!

my favs still miranda and ash though

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Stealthy Giraffe wrote...

Abispa wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

1.) You have not one bit  conclusive evidence about what the "girls club" line meant.  I've used IDENTICAL language to describe myself....but that's because I'm a bit of a tomboy who doesn't do the fashion, feelings etc bs. discussion with other women, especially straight ones.  Doesn't not make me into women.


I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I'm pretty sure that Jack was using "girls' club" the way I thought and not the way that you've used it in the past. Granted, I don't have concrete proof of this, but with the exception of Hale's "Shepard in heat" performance with Jacob, a DLC moment at the end of LotSB (sitting on the bed), and while wearing a DLC-only dress with Kasumi, my female Shepard has NEVER had a moment to be girly or feminine, especially not while Jack is around. And Jack spent the entire game being completely open about her feelings, which is why the rest of the crew keeps wetting themselves.


Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents' worth re: the "girls' club" line. As some others have said, it never occurred to me that Jack was saying "I don't swing that way". I always took it to mean "chatting isn't my thing". My Shepard isn't particularly girly or into touchy-feely chats either, but Shepard in general does tend to spend a lot of time going round the ship, checking in on everyone. While Jack does open up to an extent, eventually she's had enough and tells Shepard so. 

So I have no problem with the idea of Jack as a potential bi LI. I do agree that the line is completely open to interpretation, though.


I must admit I interpeted it as saying she didn't swing that way,  it's probably because I very badly hoped that she was in fact a same sex option in the first place and when she said that...  it seemed to be the most logical interpretation to me at least.

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Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...


okay, if they do that, PLS BIOWARE GIVE HER A NEW HAIRSTYLE!!!!!!!!


No.

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octoberfire wrote...

I agree that it's the best and most realistic option, but the dilemma is whether the old LIs opening up are the ones that people want. If they go this route, I wonder how they will determine which ones should be bi.


Exactly, I was just thinking about it today that ideally I'd like both Ash and Miri open to the s/s route (greedy much? :innocent:) but without really knowing how many options BW is going to give us, I fret a bit. I kind of got a little worried that they are going to write it off as already having an f/f option with Liara and not open us up to any other old squadmates, but hopefully I'm wrong :crying: (as much as I love Liara, I've got other plans for my FemSheps!)


Regarding Jack: I took the "No girls club" line the same as a lot of you, that she didn't want to keep doing this whole "Let's get to know each other" small talk with FemShep. I had been hoping she was going to be our F/F option for 2, so I was a little let down when nothing came of it. I also ended up getting a bit annoyed that even though she wasn't an option for us, FemSheps completely get to miss out on helping her with her trust issues because no friendship paths exist in 2. <_<

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IsaacShep wrote...

Now with girls, it gets harder. Tali, Ash, Miranda, Jack are all similary popular, there's no undisputed first-choice here like in the guys' group.


well, i'd say its poll time again, seems to be the easiest way to find out how everyone here's tickin';)

all LI's but let's say you can tick 2. i don't know how to do that though, so somebody pls help me out here:D

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...


okay, if they do that, PLS BIOWARE GIVE HER A NEW HAIRSTYLE!!!!!!!!


No.



just my personal opinion

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CalamityRanger wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

I agree that it's the best and most realistic option, but the dilemma is whether the old LIs opening up are the ones that people want. If they go this route, I wonder how they will determine which ones should be bi.


Exactly, I was just thinking about it today that ideally I'd like both Ash and Miri open to the s/s route (greedy much? :innocent:) but without really knowing how many options BW is going to give us, I fret a bit. I kind of got a little worried that they are going to write it off as already having an f/f option with Liara and not open us up to any other old squadmates, but hopefully I'm wrong :crying: (as much as I love Liara, I've got other plans for my FemSheps!)

Liara is a major flip-flop issue for them. Before ME2's release we were told she and FemShep weren't f/f and that asari were "asexual." If they suddenly decide for ME3 that she is f/f and don't open up any of the other old LIs because of this, it would be a major asspull, honestly.

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Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...
well, i'd say its poll time again, seems to be the easiest way to find out how everyone here's tickin';)
all LI's but let's say you can tick 2. i don't know how to do that though, so somebody pls help me out here:D

We've *just* had a poll: social.bioware.com/1060965/polls/21030/ Wasn't the first one either. There's never one clear winner among the girls

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oh, sorry, guess i missed that one

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sorry, double post, back to topic: the one LI that i really "must have" in ME 3 for a s/s is ashley, miranda would be cool, but the disappointment wouldn't be as great as if ashley wasn't FemShep compatible