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[bleetman]

'We didn't have time to include this' effectively translates into 'it's way down the list of things we figured were worth including', yes.

Specifically, less so than everything that did make it.

Modifié par bleetman, 29 janvier 2012 - 10:33 .

[Ryzaki]

bleetman wrote...

'We didn't have time to include this' effectively translates into 'it's way down the list of things we figured were worth including', yes.

Specifically, less so than everything that did make it.

Like those damn fetch quests for medallions. <_<

[Abispa]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Okay, one more.

How would you guys react if Steve and Samantha were gay, but o/s Shepard could "turn" them straight?

Like say how Samantha rejects mShep initially, but he can still convince her into a relationship after that.

If James Vega and/or Kaidan Alenko aren't available for s/s snuggle bunnies, then I would find that option to be in very bad taste in the ME series. It's already bad enough that the Asari look down on lesbian relationships within their own species, and, of course, those Nef journal entries.

If the VS and any other previous LI were to become available for s/s relationships, then I really couldn't complain. Still, my own view is based on the fact that I normally don't do the s/s romances.

[Abispa]

Luca Stern wrote...

For some reason they found time for FemShep and Liara though. And for 7 romances in ME2. I don't know what's worse, having a lower priority than frog-like alien or the developers having other reasons not to include m/m.

I don't agree with frogsexuality. It's not natural and it ruins my immersion. Not that I have anything against frogs, mind you. Some of my best friends are frogs.

In Bioware's defense, however, you have to admit that Thane is no ordinary frog. He's a leather wearing, ass kicking, lethal killing machine frog. What sane woman wouldn't want to have sex with him?

Modifié par Abispa, 30 janvier 2012 - 12:00 .

[Abispa]

Ryzaki wrote...

Like those damn fetch quests for medallions. <_<

How about the awesome pregnant woman doesn't want gene therapy on her unborn baby quest? Or finding the genetic records of the Salarian sperm donor? *Sniffle.* So touching...

[Russalka]

Meh, I wanted reptilian pectorals for ME3.

[Abispa]

Russalka wrote...

Meh, I wanted reptilian pectorals for ME3.

I'm hoping Tali still has feathers. I'm gonna be SO mad if she's a PLUCKED chicken.

[Abispa]

bleetman wrote...

Well, I can't say I liked the "keep it professional" line either, but mostly because I have to wonder what Hawke wants to keep professional, exactly. They're not professonals. They don't work together. And, well, they spend the rest of the game making merry chum banter together anyway.

But I'm rambling, so I should shut up.

What's wrong with Hawke demanding payment each time s/he has sex with Anders?

[ElitePinecone]

Blacklash93 wrote...

What makes me think they'll be exclusive is a comment Casey made back at a Comic-con.

"We included, again as part of fan feedback, the S/S LI's".

LI's for S/S? That sounds more to me like LI's built from the ground up for S/S and not for shared romance.

I've been thinking this all along, especially considering the names and the circumstances of their creation. 

RE: people being angry if Steve and Sam were bi. 

Seriously? That seems really petty. 

Isn't almost *everyone* in this thread arguing for some characters who were formerly only available to one gender to become available for both? Aren't many people here fans of the idea that all or most LIs should be open to both genders by default, because more options is never a bad thing? Weren't people saying they'd appreciate it if something as pesky as gender didn't get in the way of pursuing the LI of their choice?

Arguing for bisexual characters because it suits you, then arguing for purely exclusive characters because you suddenly don't feel like sharing, seems extraordinarily hypocritical.

Arguing that "bisexual characters are fine, but I want exclusively gay/lesbian characters because IT MUST BE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE SHARING IS BAD" is exactly the argument people have used to criticise hypothetical s/s romances with the VS in ME3. 

You want to 'share' Ashley or Kaidan in ME3? Against a large segment of the wider fanbase, many people in here think that's a good thing. 

Someone wants to 'share' Cortez, playing as femShep, because they like the look of him, and because they think a shuttle pilot would make an interesting romance? Why is the response suddenly 'NOOO HE M,UST BE PROTECTED FROM BISEXUALITY BECAUSE REASONS.'

When did being available to both genders become a bad thing? Surely you're not saying Steve or Sam would have less character integrity if they were bi, because that's exactly the argument people against s/s romances have been using for two years. 

Bioware have their own reasons for doing what they do. We can surmise that the thought creating unique and exclusive gay and lesbian options was correct for ME3. It seems they have done this. I'm not going to argue the merits of their decision, because it can't be changed. Though I'd be disappointed with just one option, I also know that they were never planned in the first place and we were pretty damn lucky to get anything. 

But selfishly saying that Cortez and Traynor *can't* be bisexual if they're s/s options, just because you feel slighted and don't want to share, seems like going against everything that's been argued here about wider options and unrestricted player choice. That's just silly. 

[Ryzaki]

I already said I was being selfish and petty about it.

I do not deny that.

Frankly I want exclusive options because m/f players already have 5 OF THEM.

If sharing is such caring then their should be the older Lis being s/s since there's not then no I don't feel that the 1 male s/s LI should be shared with femShep as well.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:13 .

[Blacklash93]

Good thing I never supported "all bi" romances or even making previous LI's bi for the sake of fanservice.

And while I do not mind sharing, I'm just really, really sore over most likely not getting Vega. Plus it would be great to have characters that are flat-out gay.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Abispa wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Meh, I wanted reptilian pectorals for ME3.

I'm hoping Tali still has feathers. I'm gonna be SO mad if she's a PLUCKED chicken.

Did somebody say chicken?

[Collider]

Isn't almost *everyone* in this thread arguing for some characters who were formerly only available to one gender to become available for both? Aren't many people here fans of the idea that all or most LIs should be open to both genders by default, because more options is never a bad thing? Weren't people saying they'd appreciate it if something as pesky as gender didn't get in the way of pursuing the LI of their choice?

I'm not. I generally favor characters like Kaidan (that is, returning characters) "remaining" heterosexual. Especially considering how much he's stereotyped as liking men simply because he's supposedly sensitive.

When I voiced disapproval of the prospect of Steve and Samantha being bisexual, I didn't do so out of greed. I did so because I don't like the idea of bisexual love interests drooling exclusively over one gender but then turning around and romancing player characters of the other gender anyway.
If you want an example of this - Zevran - who has been criticized by gay male gamers for outright preferring women but romancing male wardens anyway. This gives the impression of the player character being "second best." An afterthought.

It's clear from people who have read the leaked script thoroughly enough that Steve and Samantha's dialog is heavily tailored towards the same sex to the general exclusion of the opposite. Making these two characters bisexual would not only carry the same problem I mention in the above paragraph, but may also give the impression of cheapening homosexuality to something of a gimmick or trivial diversion.

So when it's important to take into context what we know about these characters - because it's important. I don't think anyone is arguing (I'm not, at least) about an M/M or F/F option being bisexual simply because they're M/M or F/F and they don't want to share.

Modifié par Collider, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:24 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Blacklash93 wrote...

And while I do not mind sharing, I'm just really, really sore over most likely not getting Vega. Plus it would be great to have characters that are flat-out gay.

If Male Shepards are getting Vega (now rather unlikely), it's likely we have another Zevran scenario.  If Vega did openly mention that he liked men, straight insecure male gamers would get offended.  Vega is also somewhat part of the main story as opposed to Steve which you're not required to interact with that much. So in the script Bioware has him drooling over EDI and the asari so that nobody would complain.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:37 .

[Collider]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
And while I do not mind sharing, I'm just really, really sore over most likely not getting Vega. Plus it would be great to have characters that are flat-out gay.

If Male Shepards are getting Vega (now rather unlikely), it's likely we have another Zevran scenario.  If Vega did openly mention that he liked men, straight insecure male gamers would get offended.  So Bioware would him drooling over EDI and the asari so nobody would complain.

The one saving grace is that Vega being M/M would break some stereotypes.
But even that would be lessened by him being a horndog towards women.

Modifié par Collider, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:39 .

[shepskisaac]

And I would still take stealth-bi Vega over no 2nd option at all

[Collider]

I wonder if they'd do some non-crewmember NPC M/M flirting. I hope so.

[Vapaa]

As for the sharing thing, I'm heavely for the "magic bi-button", I think every LI in the game should be herosexual, I want MOOAAR choices !

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Meh, I wanted reptilian pectorals for ME3.

I'm hoping Tali still has feathers. I'm gonna be SO mad if she's a PLUCKED chicken.

Did somebody say chicken?

I didn't, but that's one lovely idea; Quarian should have feathers !

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

I wonder if they'd do some non-crewmember NPC M/M flirting. I hope so.

I don't expect absolutely anything more than the main m/m romance(s)

[ElitePinecone]

The argument is almost moot anyway, since all indications are that Steve and Sam are exclusive s/s options, possibly *the* s/s options, and nothing a developer has said about romances has me thinking that will change any time before release.

I hadn't seen Casey's comment from ComicCon, if anything it makes it more likely to me that Cortez and Traynor are the only options in the game. They were designed and included specifically to be s/s LIs, and exclusive ones to boot. I can't see how changing plans for Vega or the VS fits into this. The mindset seems to be that Sam and Steve by themselves represent the S/S content in ME3. At least, that's the impression I'm getting from dev comments.

[shepskisaac]

Good news is that in like 2 weeks we may know it all! >

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

I like the dialogue for Steve's romance and he seems like the real deal, but if he looks like he was made using the character creator, I am going to rage so hard.

Collider wrote...

I wonder if they'd do some non-crewmember NPC M/M flirting. I hope so.

Beased on the banter, I'd always hoped that James and Steve would get together if you didn't romance either of them.  Won't happen, though. =(

[Collider]

I like the dialogue for Steve's romance and he seems like the real deal, but if he looks like he was made using the character creator, I am going to rage so hard.

So far - looks like he does.
Not surprised considering how Kelly was the same.

[Blacklash93]

IsaacShep wrote...

Good news is that in like 2 weeks we may know it all! >

Or sooner, if it's true we can unlock the demo early!

From Facebook Page:

Remember, the demo hits February 14th and we'll have information on all the ways you can unlock it early on Feb. 7th!

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 janvier 2012 - 02:07 .

[Blacklash93]

Collider wrote...

I like the dialogue for Steve's romance and he seems like the real deal, but if he looks like he was made using the character creator, I am going to rage so hard.

So far - looks like he does.
Not surprised considering how Kelly was the same.

Kelly still managed to look pretty distinctive, though.

Well... until Kenson came along, anyway.