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[Ricvenart]

jlb524 wrote...

Liara is 108 years old.

*Liara is my 's/s romance' btw, even if it doesn't count or if it's bad*

She's 1/10th of the asari lifespan, one that matures more slowly due to the long life, theres only so slow you can learn things but its also the cause of only now having feelings of a sexual nature to someone, which isn't an ideal time to act on those feelings, asari after all aren't a race to rush anything it seems and the circumstances of the romance are so far from ideal.
I just upgraded my hate for the character though to despising her for being a hypocrite and ruining a background character for a gratuitous DLC that should have at least included the other romance option or depending on whos picture you still had on your desk by being faithful could say your fighting for them.

[_Sylar_]

Collider wrote...

how come Bioware did the recordings of their gay romances for ME1

They didn't.

Ok,I am mistaken here,but I'm pretty sure that it was ATLEAST said that they were supposed to be,but cut due to time limitation

[Collider]

_Sylar_ wrote...

Collider wrote...

how come Bioware did the recordings of their gay romances for ME1

They didn't.

Ok,I am mistaken here,but I'm pretty sure that it was ATLEAST said that they were supposed to be,but cut due to time limitation

No

[Abispa]

_Sylar_ wrote...

You know I read here somewhere the argument that "Kaidan,nor Ashley were implemented to be gay options",but if they weren't,how come Bioware did the recordings of their gay romances for ME1...doesn't matter that they weren't added in the game,simply the fact they,Bioware,did those recordings means for me that it was KEPT IN MIND,that they might be

So yeah..just wanted to write that down and I COMPLETELY agree with you!

In order to make sure that the VAs earned their pay and that their pay was the same, both actors were required to do readings of ALL Shepard dialog, even the dialog used by the other gender. At least that's how I remember it being explained to me by a Bioware rep at a sci-fi convention I went to in 2010. It was never intended to be used for s/s romances, though the idea was suggested when they were WRITING the characters.

Meer may have been paid more over all since he does more VAs for the background characters, but, as I understood it, he and Hale got paid the same for the Shepard VA.

Modifié par Abispa, 30 janvier 2012 - 05:11 .

[_Sylar_]

Abispa wrote...

_Sylar_ wrote...

You know I read here somewhere the argument that "Kaidan,nor Ashley were implemented to be gay options",but if they weren't,how come Bioware did the recordings of their gay romances for ME1...doesn't matter that they weren't added in the game,simply the fact they,Bioware,did those recordings means for me that it was KEPT IN MIND,that they might be

So yeah..just wanted to write that down and I COMPLETELY agree with you!

In order to make sure that the VAs earned their pay and that their pay was the same, both actors were required to do readings of ALL Shepard dialog, even the dialog used by the other gender. At least that's how I remember it being explained to me by a Bioware rep at a sci-fi convention I went to in 2010. It was never intended to be used for s/s romances, though the idea was suggested when they were WRITING the characters.

Meer may have been paid more over all since he does more VAs for the background characters, but, as I understood it, he and Hale got paid the same for the Shepard VA.

@Collider

profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/188149_166388390081641_2961950_n.jpg just pictured you that way

Anyway @Abispa Thank you for the explaining I really appreciate it

Modifié par _Sylar_, 30 janvier 2012 - 05:21 .

[FoxHound109]

Abispa wrote...

_Sylar_ wrote...

You know I read here somewhere the argument that "Kaidan,nor Ashley were implemented to be gay options",but if they weren't,how come Bioware did the recordings of their gay romances for ME1...doesn't matter that they weren't added in the game,simply the fact they,Bioware,did those recordings means for me that it was KEPT IN MIND,that they might be

So yeah..just wanted to write that down and I COMPLETELY agree with you!

In order to make sure that the VAs earned their pay and that their pay was the same, both actors were required to do readings of ALL Shepard dialog, even the dialog used by the other gender. At least that's how I remember it being explained to me by a Bioware rep at a sci-fi convention I went to in 2010. It was never intended to be used for s/s romances, though the idea was suggested when they were WRITING the characters.

Meer may have been paid more over all since he does more VAs for the background characters, but, as I understood it, he and Hale got paid the same for the Shepard VA.

Considering this is the same team that vehemently refused to admit that Liara counted as a lesbian romance and vehemently supported their claims that manShep "couldn't be gay", I'm not sure how much I buy that.

[Collider]

Considering this is the same team that vehemently refused to admit that Liara counted as a lesbian romance and vehemently supported their claims that manShep "couldn't be gay", I'm not sure how much I buy that.

Then explain this

Modifié par Collider, 30 janvier 2012 - 05:29 .

[FoxHound109]

 Fair point.

[Youknow]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

_Sylar_ wrote...

You know I read here somewhere the argument that "Kaidan,nor Ashley were implemented to be gay options",but if they weren't,how come Bioware did the recordings of their gay romances for ME1...doesn't matter that they weren't added in the game,simply the fact they,Bioware,did those recordings means for me that it was KEPT IN MIND,that they might be

So yeah..just wanted to write that down and I COMPLETELY agree with you!

In order to make sure that the VAs earned their pay and that their pay was the same, both actors were required to do readings of ALL Shepard dialog, even the dialog used by the other gender. At least that's how I remember it being explained to me by a Bioware rep at a sci-fi convention I went to in 2010. It was never intended to be used for s/s romances, though the idea was suggested when they were WRITING the characters.

Meer may have been paid more over all since he does more VAs for the background characters, but, as I understood it, he and Hale got paid the same for the Shepard VA.

Considering this is the same team that vehemently refused to admit that Liara counted as a lesbian romance and vehemently supported their claims that manShep "couldn't be gay", I'm not sure how much I buy that.

Nah, that makes sense somewhat. I mean, even with things like Persona 3, they have the main character for the English version yelling out Persona's of the party members despite the fact that it was already KNOWN that the final product in Japanese doesn't have him using those ones, so there's no reason to think they'd do it globally. 

Some weird stuff goes on with games being made... Some of them literally make no sense. 

[bleetman]

_Sylar_ wrote...

Collider wrote...

how come Bioware did the recordings of their gay romances for ME1

They didn't.

Ok,I am mistaken here,but I'm pretty sure that it was ATLEAST said that they were supposed to be,but cut due to time limitation

There are s/s romance lines recorded and ingame, sort of, but it wasn't recorded for the purpose of adding s/s romances. It was recorded because, I assume, having their voice actors for either gender of Shepard voice everything in the script is less time consuming than filtering out gender specific lines in advance. Or something.

So there's lines for, say, Ashley romances that are voiced by Jennifer Hale. They're just lines written for use by a male Shepard that are also voiced for a female one, and never used.

I think.

Modifié par bleetman, 30 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .

[Collider]

You are correct, Bleetman.

[bleetman]

Collider wrote...

You are correct, Bleetman.

And science said it couldn't be done!

Oh, heh, you linked the same video I did earlier. Didn't even see that.

Modifié par bleetman, 30 janvier 2012 - 05:51 .

[coldSnap]

I always thought it was silly how people always refered back to those "s/s lines" in the first ME. Since its not in the actual game, it seems like a rather moot point. Not to say that I dont want s/s with Ash or Kaidan, but the the way people just keep bringing up those lines... its a bit ridiculous.

Modifié par KaidanLover, 30 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[ElitePinecone]

In response to what some people said before:

Shiala isn't in ME3, as far as I can tell.

Diana Allers is a fling, we don't know whether she's for both genders of Shepard or whether she has a male counterpart. But her LI status is vastly less important, plot-wise, than her role on the Normandy and in the galaxy.

Gianna Parasini also isn't in ME3, as far as I can tell.

As much as it annoyed some people that maleShep (and femShep? I forget) had flirting scenes with Shiala and Gianna in ME2, don't expect them to be romance interests in the third game.

[ZehnWaters]

ElitePinecone wrote...

In response to what some people said before:

Shiala isn't in ME3, as far as I can tell.

Diana Allers is a fling, we don't know whether she's for both genders of Shepard or whether she has a male counterpart. But her LI status is vastly less important, plot-wise, than her role on the Normandy and in the galaxy.

Gianna Parasini also isn't in ME3, as far as I can tell.

As much as it annoyed some people that maleShep (and femShep? I forget) had flirting scenes with Shiala and Gianna in ME2, don't expect them to be romance interests in the third game.

Not even having Gianna or Shiala even get mentioned in an e-mail or something would be kinda insulting at this point.

[Revan654]

ElitePinecone wrote...

In response to what some people said before:

Shiala isn't in ME3, as far as I can tell.

Diana Allers is a fling, we don't know whether she's for both genders of Shepard or whether she has a male counterpart. But her LI status is vastly less important, plot-wise, than her role on the Normandy and in the galaxy.

Gianna Parasini also isn't in ME3, as far as I can tell.

As much as it annoyed some people that maleShep (and femShep? I forget) had flirting scenes with Shiala and Gianna in ME2, don't expect them to be romance interests in the third game.

Script was not final, don't base a unfinished script as them not being in the game. Theirs a tweet from one of the Writers suggesting Both Gianna and Shiala will be back. We might get a Mini-Romance or a One Night Stand with them. Don't think we will get anything past that.

The dialogue from Diana was not finished. I would wait until the game is out before declaring she is a simple Fling.

Modifié par Revan654, 30 janvier 2012 - 07:56 .

[muse108]

Quite honestly this hurt DragonAge2 a lot. It was rather disturbing when all of a sudden I found out that Anders thought I was into him after I chatted with him once, that elf guy wasnt much better. I'm not against the possibility of it but EVERYONE should NOT be effectively bi. For example having Lelliana as bi worked with her character. Having everyone romancable by everyone essentially is wrong and a real mark of lazyness and pandering.

[ElitePinecone]

Revan654 wrote...
snip

Yes, the script wasn't final - so it's possible that Shiala and Gianna will appear, and Diana will be a properly-fleshed out LI. 

But I could also say that Bioware still have time to give Vega an entire scene where he breaks watermelons with his face in a show of manly masculinity. 

Some things are more likely than others. 

I'm suggesting, based on what we know, that Gianna and Shiala won't have large roles. 

Neither of them appear in new ME2 games, for example. Even using Genesis, they don't appear in PS3 games. 

End result: I don't think it's wise to add them to the tally of characters that maleShep and femShep can romance, if one is comparing the two. 

[Stardusk78]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Revan654 wrote...
snip

Yes, the script wasn't final - so it's possible that Shiala and Gianna will appear, and Diana will be a properly-fleshed out LI. 

But I could also say that Bioware still have time to give Vega an entire scene where he breaks watermelons with his face in a show of manly masculinity. 

Some things are more likely than others. 

I'm suggesting, based on what we know, that Gianna and Shiala won't have large roles. 

Neither of them appear in new ME2 games, for example. Even using Genesis, they don't appear in PS3 games. 

End result: I don't think it's wise to add them to the tally of characters that maleShep and femShep can romance, if one is comparing the two. 

Script might not be final but it is pretty much set, no?

On a totally unrelated note, suffer my weird question to you. As an Australian, do you have to deal with many venomous and dangerous creepers such as brown recluses, etc. on a daily basis?

[ElitePinecone]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Script might not be final but it is pretty much set, no?

I think they were still writing it even a month or two ago, but when nothing in the script even hints at a Gianna/Shiala romance, I think we can assume it's not in there. Likewise with Diana: it's very clear that she's a one-night stand for Shepard (I think there's even a line about not telling the other LI about it?) and that the vast majority of her dialogue is about her journalism stuff. 

My point was mainly that they shouldn't really be used as examples of LIs to count up against the sole m/m one we have confirmed. 

Even though Steve is still drastically outweighed by maleShep's harem of six women, femShep's five men and lesbianShep's three. 

On a totally unrelated note, suffer my weird question to you. As an Australian, do you have to deal with many venomous and dangerous creepers such as brown recluses, etc. on a daily basis?

I have... no idea what a brown recluse is. But having googled it as a spider, I'm not gonna go anywhere near the pictures. 

No, my country isn't nearly as dangerous or filled with creepy/threatening animals as everyone thinks it is. Nobody really lives in all the places where dangerous snakes/spiders/crocodiles are. Or if they do, they know to keep away. The stereotype of the *entire continent* swarming with dangerous bugs is... pretty silly.

(Though we did ride in kangaroo pouches to school.) 

Nobody's died from a redback spider bite in about 30 years. 

[catharsisboo]

muse108 wrote...

I'm not against the possibility of it but EVERYONE should NOT be effectively bi. For example having Lelliana as bi worked with her character. Having everyone romancable by everyone essentially is wrong and a real mark of lazyness and pandering.

How is more choice in an RPG lazy? LIs already ignore everything else about the PC - Alistair will still romance a blood mage who badmouths Duncan at every given opportunity; Ashley will still romance a Shepard who beats on another woman in front of her - so why is it suddenly "wrong" when that last restriction is taken away?

Modifié par catharsisboo, 30 janvier 2012 - 09:50 .

[Vapaa]

muse108 wrote...

Having everyone romancable by everyone essentially is wrong and a real mark of lazyness and pandering.

Oh look...it's THAT argument again

Modifié par Vapaä, 30 janvier 2012 - 09:51 .

[Augoeides]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Script might not be final but it is pretty much set, no?

I think they were still writing it even a month or two ago, but when nothing in the script even hints at a Gianna/Shiala romance, I think we can assume it's not in there. Likewise with Diana: it's very clear that she's a one-night stand for Shepard (I think there's even a line about not telling the other LI about it?) and that the vast majority of her dialogue is about her journalism stuff. 

My point was mainly that they shouldn't really be used as examples of LIs to count up against the sole m/m one we have confirmed. 

Even though Steve is still drastically outweighed by maleShep's harem of six women, femShep's five men and lesbianShep's three. 

On a totally unrelated note, suffer my weird question to you. As an Australian, do you have to deal with many venomous and dangerous creepers such as brown recluses, etc. on a daily basis?

I have... no idea what a brown recluse is. But having googled it as a spider, I'm not gonna go anywhere near the pictures. 

No, my country isn't nearly as dangerous or filled with creepy/threatening animals as everyone thinks it is. Nobody really lives in all the places where dangerous snakes/spiders/crocodiles are. Or if they do, they know to keep away. The stereotype of the *entire continent* swarming with dangerous bugs is... pretty silly.

(Though we did ride in kangaroo pouches to school.) 

Nobody's died from a redback spider bite in about 30 years. 

You more likely to get hurt from an Emu or a Cassowary going kung fu on you and kicking you till your organs ruptuire than run into a deadly spider or snake

I agree you can't count Parasini or Shiala or the Consort as romances in the tally but I would propose to stick them on a list of flirts and flings that MShep did not get for Men. Course that proposal is just me being a raving, picky such and such.

[Finis Valorum]

ElitePinecone wrote...

But wouldn't a bi Kaidan also be an afterthought, considering he was never intended to be an m/m option?

Surely Steve and Sam are *less* of an afterthought because they were specifically designed for that role?

A bi Kaidan might be an afterthought, as a romance, but his whole character wouldn't feel like an afterthought since he's pretty well integrated into the main plot.
Also Kaidan's the only option we have of providing some semblance of a trilogy spanning romance, something all the others have already.

As for Steve, while being the shuttle pilot does seem like a slightly more important postition than feeding fish and organizing email, it's also an entirely redundant one, we never got to meet our shuttle pilot in M2 after all (I always imagine it's either Garrus or Miranda whenever I don't take them along, but that's beside the point).
At best Steve would feel like Kasumi to me, a nice addition with a few funny comments and a nice character specific mission, but those that don't have her do not really miss out on anything.

ElitePinecone wrote...

No, my country isn't nearly as
dangerous or filled with creepy/threatening animals as everyone thinks
it is. Nobody really lives in all the places where dangerous
snakes/spiders/crocodiles are. Or if they do, they know to keep away.
The stereotype of the *entire continent* swarming with dangerous bugs
is... pretty silly.

Ah well, there goes one childhood fantasy down the drain.

As for Gianna and Shiala, I could easily see them being one night stand encounters for ManShep and quite possibly FemShep as well, especially Gianna since Noveria seems to be featured in ME3, I agree that they most likely won't have large roles however. Diana could go either way I suppose, I think she'll at least be a fling for both genders of Shep and you can bet she won't have any male equivalent in the game.
Given this teams record I, frankly, don't have any hope for flings with male NPC's whatsoever .

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 30 janvier 2012 - 11:12 .

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...
At best Steve would feel like Kasumi to me, a nice addition with a few funny comments and a nice character specific mission, but those that don't have her do not relly miss out on anything.

Hm, I hope the game itself prompts you to change your mind - if nothing else, I think Bioware has made sure he's a well thought-out character. 

Ditto for Sam, her friendship path with Shep is really interesting.