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[Stardusk78]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Script might not be final but it is pretty much set, no?

I think they were still writing it even a month or two ago, but when nothing in the script even hints at a Gianna/Shiala romance, I think we can assume it's not in there. Likewise with Diana: it's very clear that she's a one-night stand for Shepard (I think there's even a line about not telling the other LI about it?) and that the vast majority of her dialogue is about her journalism stuff. 

My point was mainly that they shouldn't really be used as examples of LIs to count up against the sole m/m one we have confirmed. 

Even though Steve is still drastically outweighed by maleShep's harem of six women, femShep's five men and lesbianShep's three. 

On a totally unrelated note, suffer my weird question to you. As an Australian, do you have to deal with many venomous and dangerous creepers such as brown recluses, etc. on a daily basis?

I have... no idea what a brown recluse is. But having googled it as a spider, I'm not gonna go anywhere near the pictures. 

No, my country isn't nearly as dangerous or filled with creepy/threatening animals as everyone thinks it is. Nobody really lives in all the places where dangerous snakes/spiders/crocodiles are. Or if they do, they know to keep away. The stereotype of the *entire continent* swarming with dangerous bugs is... pretty silly.

(Though we did ride in kangaroo pouches to school.) 

Nobody's died from a redback spider bite in about 30 years. 

Highly developed antiivenom I have read.  It was a nice fantasy though.

[Ricvenart]

Finis Valorum wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

But wouldn't a bi Kaidan also be an afterthought, considering he was never intended to be an m/m option?

Surely Steve and Sam are *less* of an afterthought because they were specifically designed for that role?

A bi Kaidan might be an afterthought, as a romance, but his whole character wouldn't feel like an afterthought since he's pretty well integrated into the main plot.
Also Kaidan's the only option we have of providing some semblance of a trilogy spanning romance, something all the others have already.

As for Steve, while being the shuttle pilot does seem like a slightly more important postition than feeding fish and organizing email, it's also an entirely redundant one, we never got to meet our shuttle pilot in M2 after all (I always imagine it's either Garrus or Miranda whenever I don't take them along, but that's beside the point).
At best Steve would feel like Kasumi to me, a nice addition with a few funny comments and a nice character specific mission, but those that don't have her do not really miss out on anything.

I don't feel he would be, he never strongly opposes the idea not that you can put it forward but for the same reason he's reluctant in ME1 with femshep he may be more reluctant to give in with a manshep, possibly "muddying up" things too much. Either way you can't really call a new option with a character an afterthought till you've seen it. Although the scene on horizon did very much feel like an afterthought with so little to say, things to tell him and not being a squadmate, frankly I'm more concerned over how he's gained his spectre status, if it's not stated what he done while you where off travelling a place no other council race has been able to access before then it would feel like an after thought and very tacked on. (if it is already known I haven't read it yet and rather wait to play it although confirmation that it's well put in or not wouldn't be bad).

I always thought of EDI as the shuttle pilot, the thing isn't roomy and a VI seems to be responsible for the cabs on Illium and she proves she doesn't need wired connections to control things.

[bigbrowncows]

I keep flip-flopping about the s/s romances. Today I think I'd be happy whoever is gay straight or bi if my Shephard even had the option to flirt with everyone. If I make a pass at Vega and he turns me down then that's cool, he's straight , but at least I've had the choice to do that. If the selection of possible LI's isn't going to be proportionate then it would be cool for us to still play our Shep's as gay/lesbian characters who just don't happen to have their dream partner on board.

[ElitePinecone]

bigbrowncows wrote...
If the selection of possible LI's isn't going to be proportionate then it would be cool for us to still play our Shep's as gay/lesbian characters who just don't happen to have their dream partner on board.

You can definitely do this, yep. 

I was really pleased when I read the lines. It was something a lot of people had suggested in this thread (as a way to roleplay Shepard even if the LIs weren't necessarily there), and I think it's a nice touch that we haven't really ever seen in a Bioware game before. Oh, except possibly when femShep turns down Kaidan for Liara - although that's more Alenko connecting dots than Shepard saying it outright. 

It's very matter-of-fact, too, in ME3. There are two versions of the line (unless I'm getting two separate conversations confused): "I haven't had the right moment with the right man yet" / "Maybe there's still time for the right woman to come along."

and "Waiting for the right man/woman." (these are two separate lines)

Those are only the dialogue wheel text previews (I think? halp?), so we don't know the actual quotes. 

I like the added focus on defining Shepard in ME3. 

[bas_kon]

Well, while I've been disappointed a couple of days, I've made peace with the thought of Steve being the only s/s, with a little the help of some spoilers from the spoiler group.
It looks like he's going to be a pretty good romance. Gonna kill Kaidan at the first opportunity, though, if he's straight he's dead as well!

[Finis Valorum]

bas_kon wrote...

It looks like he's going to be a pretty good romance. Gonna kill Kaidan at the first opportunity, though, if he's straight he's dead as well!

I"ve got to disagree with you on that first one he'll probably always feels like an afterthought to me. When it comes to the actual quality of the romance I'd say that depends largely on how they handle the dead husband thing.
I can see constantly having to compete with a dead guy becoming annoying rather quickly.

As for Kaidan, while I would not go so far as to actively seek to kill him just because he's unavailable as a Li, it does greatly lessen my desire to make use of any blue or red options in any possible confrontations with Kaidan in ME3.
So in other words if Kaidan's plot can be worked out to the satisfaction of both parties through clever use of only white dialogue, then great, otherwise, I guess, it'll at least make for some fine drama. 

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[LiaraShepard]

are steve and samantha the only options available as s/s romances? or is there still hope for kaidan, ashley and vega to be bisexual too?

[ElitePinecone]

LiaraShepard wrote...

are steve and samantha the only options available as s/s romances? or is there still hope for kaidan, ashley and vega to be bisexual too?

There's still hope, sure. We don't know enough information yet to decide either way. 

[LiaraShepard]

ahhh.glad to hear. I'd be a little disappointed to just have the option of flirting with a nonsquad member who's not as important as the full squad members to the story plot.

[Blacklash93]

I just remembered. I called that Dietz might forget Hendel was gay and magically turn him straight MONTHS ago.

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I was really pleased when I read the lines. It was something a lot of people had suggested in this thread (as a way to roleplay Shepard even if the LIs weren't necessarily there), and I think it's a nice touch that we haven't really ever seen in a Bioware game before. Oh, except possibly when femShep turns down Kaidan for Liara - although that's more Alenko connecting dots than Shepard saying it outright.

That scene was the only time Shep's orientation was discussed, and I love it because it pisses all over BW's "ohh Asari ain't females so it's ain't s/s haha!". Yes it is, if FemShep likes Asari then she's a lesbian, Kaidan basically says it and everyone knows it.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Those are only the dialogue wheel text previews (I think? halp?), so we don't know the actual quotes.

The actual quotes are obvious the long, more elaborate ones. Picking "Waiting for the right man" leads to Shep saying "I haven't had the right moment blah blah".

[dgcatanisiri]

ElitePinecone wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...

are steve and samantha the only options available as s/s romances? or is there still hope for kaidan, ashley and vega to be bisexual too?

There's still hope, sure. We don't know enough information yet to decide either way. 

I like to think of things in that light as well - after all, the fact remains that the script everyone keeps referring to IS an early version. I know it's not necessarily wrong, but it's still not set in stone that what it has reflects the final version. So I opt to hold onto hope that there will be at least two options (Steve and Vega) and maybe even Kaidan as well, to allow for at least a fanwankish version of a trilogy spanning romance.

Though I will admit to wishing that they would have taken the opportunity to, since they would have the actors in the studio anyway, record 'additional dialogue' sequences for the first two games and release them as updates/DLC. Yes, I know, that was a pipe dream of mine to begin with, but shush.

[bleetman]

ElitePinecone wrote...

But I could also say that Bioware still have time to give Vega an entire scene where he breaks watermelons with his face in a show of manly masculinity.

Is it wrong that I really want this to happen now?

[bas_kon]

Finis Valorum wrote...
I"ve got to disagree with you on that first one he'll probably always feels like an afterthought to me. When it comes to the actual quality of the romance I'd say that depends largely on how they handle the dead husband thing.
I can see constantly having to compete with a dead guy becoming annoying rather quickly.

As for Kaidan, while I would not go so far as to actively seek to kill him just because he's unavailable as a Li, it does greatly lessen my desire to make use of any blue or red options in any possible confrontations with Kaidan in ME3.
So in other words if Kaidan's plot can be worked out to the satisfaction of both parties through clever use of only white dialogue, then great, otherwise, I guess, it'll at least make for some fine drama.

Maybe, but we have to keep in mind that we are third class customers when it comes to optional content. It sucks, but they have told us hundreds of times, we are not the intended audience for this series. We are lucky we get anything, whatsoever.

About Steve's husband, it's just his background the way I see it, not an entire romance thing. Just a way to tell the player he is, indeed, gay and find males phisically and emotionally atractive.
In fact, the thing I like the most about him is that he had settled down, he's not the stereotyped promiscuous gay/bi man prowling on every other male, straight or not, that the media seems to like so much. I just hope he doesn't look too generic.

Regarding Kaidan, I was just paraphrasing some straighties sarcastically. English is not my language, thus I might have put it the wrong way. I won't lie, though, I save edited a new main!Shep playthrough in which Ash is alive just in case, because he's my favourite character and I wouldn't be able to kill him, but I don't want a straight Kaidan in that playthrough either. Too much drama for an action videogame.:happy:

[ZehnWaters]

ElitePinecone wrote...
I have... no idea what a brown recluse is. But having googled it as a spider, I'm not gonna go anywhere near the pictures. 

Yes, a Brown Recluse (also called the Brown Violin) is a highly venomous spider found in the south-eastern United States.  Despite being venomous it is incredibly difficult to actually have the bite be either deadly or dangerous as their fangs are too small to penetrate into the blood stream.  Black Widows are much more dangerous (and more aggressive; the Brown Recluse is...reclusive).

[JoePilot]

Hey folks, just an FYI:

Copious previews of the upcoming Mass Effect: Deception novel have been making the rounds, and has provoked a great deal of concern in the General Discussion forum (if you're interested, the thread is on the first page, you can't miss it).

What is most concerning is that the author took it upon themselves to change the sexual orientation of Hendel Mitra, who some of you may remember as one of the few well-written homosexual characters in the Mass Effect canon.  Now, due to the actions of this author, Hendel is straight as an arrow.

If you find this kind of retcon to be as innapropriate and insensitive as we do, please help us make our voices heard with Bioware. 

Thanks.

[shepskisaac]

I would still like to know what exactly was said in the book that makes him straight as an arrow now. So far I've only heard that it's written that Anderson and Hendel are 'oogling' Asari dancers. That wouldn't be bad yet since it can easily be explained he's just accompanying Anderson in the club.

[bleetman]

A lot of homosexual men go around ogling women, do they? Or go to bars to pick up women? I mean, I'm not one myself. I'd sort of assumed that wasn't something they generally did.

Though to be fair, it seems everyone in the book can't help but be amazed by how smoking hot asari are. Men, women, teenagers, cerberus assassins with a contempt for non-human species, they're all hitting on Dem Asari.

Modifié par bleetman, 30 janvier 2012 - 08:03 .

[shepskisaac]

I ahven't read the book, so that's why I'm asking. Is there more or just that "oogling Asari" comment? Is he literally going around in the book hitting on girls?

[Blacklash93]

bleetman wrote...

A lot of homosexual men go around ogling women, do they? Or go to bars to pick up women? I mean, I'm not one myself. I'd sort of assumed that wasn't something they generally did.

I hope you're not being serious. Forgive me if you are really joking as my sense of humor is especially jaded right now.

Though to be fair, it seems everyone in the book can't help but be amazed by how smoking hot asari are. Men, women, teenagers, cerberus assassins with a contempt for non-human species, they're all hitting on Dem Asari.

In the leaked script Steve says he's not "hot and bothered" by the Asari dancers at a club. There are people who don't find the Asaris' feminine features appealing.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 janvier 2012 - 08:08 .

[Sporothrix]

bas_kon wrote...

Maybe, but we have to keep in mind that we are third class customers when it comes to optional content. It sucks, but they have told us hundreds of times, we are not the intended audience for this series. We are lucky we get anything, whatsoever.

As if only gay people want those options. Previous quite "gay-panic" stance of BW on ME met harsh critique from many straight people too. Caring about such subject is simply a matter of basic human decency.

Modifié par misoretu9, 30 janvier 2012 - 08:09 .

[Criz]

IsaacShep wrote...

I ahven't read the book, so that's why I'm asking. Is there more or just that "oogling Asari" comment? Is he literally going around in the book hitting on girls?

well, if no one else will be able to tell you, my copy should be on it's way and I'll probably finish my current read tonight or tomorrow ... so once I got far enough into Deception I'll let you know

though after some of the reactions I'm not looking forward to it

[bleetman]

IsaacShep wrote...

I ahven't read the book, so that's why I'm asking. Is there more or just that "oogling Asari" comment? Is he literally going around in the book hitting on girls?

I can't personally answer that without actually having a copy of the full book. It's mostly the "ogling the asari dancers" thing, far as I can personally tell. It's still a pretty ridiculous thing to include, I'd say.

Blacklash93 wrote...

In the leaked script Steve says he's not "hot and bothered" by the Asari dancers at a club. There are people who don't find the Asaris' feminine features appealing.

Well, yeah, of course there are. It's just that none of them are in Deception. Everyone - everyone - who interacts with an asari thus far apparently can't help but notice how stunning they are. Everybody. Straight men, gay men, straight women, teenage girls, whatever. Even Kai Leng flirts with them. It's a little bizarre.

Which is obviously why Hendel ogling them makes sense! Because they're so hawt, they knock the gay right out of him. Or something?

(No, I'm not being serious. Yes, I am mocking the book with barely contained contempt.)

Modifié par bleetman, 30 janvier 2012 - 09:22 .

[bas_kon]

misoretu9 wrote...
As if only gay people want those options. Previous quite "gay-panic" stance of BW on ME met harsh critique from many straight people too. Caring about such subject is simply a matter of basic human decency.

I think you missanderstood me. By us, I didn't mean just bi/gay people, but m/m customers and/or supporters, gay or straight. Their main audience is the Straight insecure teen male gamer, afaik.
I'm just speculating here,though, because we don't know anything yet, and at least we have Steve, he's a pretty good character (hope he doesn't change or gets cut).


BTW, could anyone clarify that Hendel Mitra stuff? I know he was the sole gay char before Shepard and Steve in mass effect, and now people's saying he's become straight?? The retcon and the character integrity teams must be raging by now, or maybe as he's become straight from gay it's not a retcon.<_<

Modifié par bas_kon, 30 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[Tric]

Kahlee tipped the server again and settled back to enjoy her drink. Anderson and Hendel were busy ogling the asari dancers, the music was good, and if it hadn’t been for the task at hand she would have been able to enjoy herself.

Not sure if I can put this here or not (so gimme a heads up if it's better that I delete it please), but there it is. That's the ogling asari line, taken from a preview.

Emphasis mine btw.

Modifié par SomethingSome, 30 janvier 2012 - 10:13 .