Ah, no. I see my wording was clumsy. I did elaborate on it earlier, though, but I know not everyone keeps track of all the posts in here or can be expected to remember what I said. I couldn't think of a better term than "struck me as" but what I actually meant was he's closeted in... my "head canon", so to speak. Mostly because I believe they could've made him bi from the get go. He always seemed like the perfect guy for my male Shepard (more so than my female Shepard) and while playing I just get the feeling that they have some interesting chemistry going on. It's like it's so close to working out, but there is no dialogue ( = he's closeted). So that's how I play it. Not sure if I was able to convey what I mean. In any case, if they were to make him available to male Shepards in 3, I think the "closeted" thing could work (not because of social stigma, but whatever personal reason).
I see. Personally, I didn't really think there was much to the relationship between male Shepard and Kaidan in ME1. As much as I would have liked they had something going (friendship or otherwise), a lot of content was not available to male Shepard and there was nothing more than the light suggestion of friendship at best. Every other squad mate essentially has a conversation - even without romance - where they show clearly and deliberately that they deeply respect Shepard. I think you may get that with female Shepard who doesn't romance Kaidan - as she still gets more content - but nothing of the sort for Kaidan. It just ends abruptly. It's hard to even head canon because of the lack of dialog as you've mentioned.
That's why I felt the "lost a limb" line in Horizon was rather awkward and hard to believe if Kaidan wasn't romanced - especially as male Shepard. It felt like it came out of nowhere - because I never got the impression that that Kaidan would feel like he lost a part of
himself if male Shepard died.
In any case, if they were to make him available to male Shepards in 3, I think the "closeted" thing could work (not because of social stigma, but whatever personal reason).
Depends what you mean by closeted. I think they have Kaidan state he was hiding feelings without making it about hiding homosexual feelings in general. In the same way Tali's unrequited crush/love for male Shepard in ME1 wasn't about hiding heterosexuality. In other words, personal reasons, yea.
Preferably, though, if Kaidan is to be available for male Shepard, I'd like it to be a realization that he had feelings (
for male Shepard, instead of suddenly discovering feelings for men in general) rather than hiding anything.
I wonder how they'll end up explaining those feelings for male Shepard if they do decide to do it. With Anders, they introduced a male partner he had in the past.
People tend to presume the future must be bright and progressive and better. Let's not get into the acient history of gay men and homophobia. This is science fiction and Bioware decides how things are. For all we know homosexual foetuses may be indentified and terminated. Truth is we have now idea how being gay is handled in Mass Effect, because there simply was no content about it. Just because in the script Shepard is okay with it, doesn't mean the rest of the universe is. Just look at the first game. There was a big emphasis on how humanity is discriminated and even hated by aliens. It's not all good and well in this future.
I'm not really assuming anything about
the future.
I'm looking at the
Mass Effect universe - and I believe there was a deliberate attempt at making the Alliance and human society "progressive" on social issues. Mass Effect is obviously not our actual in reality future - so I'm not speculating that 200 years in our future there is no significant bias against gays.
I'm looking at Mass Effect.
Bioware writing in eugenics used in an attempt to exterminate homosexuality is HIGHLY implausible. They have far more sense than that. And in terms of precedence, they never actually seem to address in the games themselves (or in the books) homosexuality by name. There's no use of gay, homosexual, or lesbian, pretty sure. It's just implied by showing character relationships between people of the same sex/gender.
In the script, Steve was same sex married and seems to be openly gay. Before Dietz' total disregard for lore, Hendel was implied to be gay and no one really seemed to mind. The asari race exist and there's been an amount of F/F options.
If galactic society is actually anti-gay (or still has significant stigma against homosexuality) and they wanted show that and let us know, I doubt they would do such things.
That is why if they injected homophobia in the universe to explain why Kaidan didn't flirt with male Shepard, I wouldn't find it very believable and would probably look at it as something they just used as a convenient excuse
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