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[ladyofpayne]

Criz-Zone wrote...

excuse me, did someone ask for mShep/Garrus?

Nice couple.

[Finis Valorum]

[quote]Luca Stern wrote...

You want some discouragement? (If you don't stop reading this) The developers aren't specifically not talking about VS. They're not talking about any LI business regardless. Out of all characters Kaidan is the most unlikely to be available for ManShep, because there is another new human male, no blacklash provoking reveals or retcons necessary.  [quote]





I really hope you're wrong about this,event though I fear you're right, because even in the also rather unlikely event that Vega is available for m/m, it would still leave me with two rather unappealing choices for romance in ME3 (unless they gave Steve a really cute custom face that we don't know about).
Honestly all I dare to hope for at this point is that my poor ManSheps will be offered the opportunity to at least express their homosexuality without romancing Steve (or Vega for that matter) since I'm getting rather tired of playing celibate heterosexuals.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 05 février 2012 - 12:04 .

[Collider]

2 options is pretty decent.

[Finis Valorum]

Collider wrote...

2 options is pretty decent.

Sure, yes, having two options would be pretty decent if ME3 was a stand alone game and not the last part of a trilogy.
However since one of those two options is an afterthought with in all probability a character generator created face and the other is at this point pure speculation and looks rather unappealing (as in instant cold shower) to me, I'm not particularly impressed at this point. 

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 05 février 2012 - 12:58 .

[Collider]

Sure, yes, having two options would be pretty decent if ME3 was a stand alone game and not the last part of a trilogy.

I'm not sure being the last part of the trilogy matters.
It's not possible to put M/M on equal grounds with M/F or even F/F at this point.

However since one of those two options is an afterthough

Based upon what? A lot of people have looked at the script and concluded that his romance is developed and not a trivial diversion.
I do expect that he has a character creator face (due to not being a squadmember or voiced/inspired by celebrity), but the context in which we saw it was very WIP. Could change.

looks rather unappealing

Matter of taste.
There's a good number of gay players who would like Vega M/M and find him attractive.
He's definitely a fully fledged squad mate, too.

Modifié par Collider, 05 février 2012 - 12:35 .

[Finis Valorum]

Collider wrote...

Matter of taste.
There's a good number of gay players who would like Vega M/M and find him attractive.
He's definitely a fully fledged squad mate, too.

Yes, it is a matter of taste, however I do think that the fact that having more than one m/m option at this point is pure speculation will turn out to be far more important than the relative attractiveness of character models since, frankly, I believe that all we're going to get is Steve or heterosexual celibacy.
Also, while he may be a fully fledged squad mate, Vega cannot provide even the semblance of trilogy spanning romantic attraction, so even if he does turn out to be another m/m romance he won't be able to give us something every other romance already has.

[SolidBeast]

katerinafm wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Sadly, Patrick Weekes telling me he won't answer my question if the VS is s/s available only makes me more hopeful. /stupid stupid stupid

That'd make me more hopeful too. Do you have a link to him saying that to you?

https://twitter.com/...992713446113280

The smiley totally means the answer is yes, right? Right?

[Collider]

It is pure speculation. But 2 options is fairly decent for a video game, if they do decide to do 2 options.

Also, while he may be a fully fledged squad mate, Vega cannot provide even the semblance of trilogy spanning romantic attraction, so even if he does turn out to be another m/m romance he won't be able to give us something every other romance already has.

It's impossible for them to give us everything other romances had. Kaidan wasn't an option in ME1 or ME2 (there was no male homosexual content in those games period), by default the straight ME1 options already have an advantage that can't be matched.

I would rather them focus on quality and content than to try to imitate something that's already a done deal. That's not mutually exclusive, but Kaidan can be dead at this point. I would rather there be 2 options by default for all male Shepards (Vega and Steve) than have only one because that Shepard happened to save Ashley (I didn't, but I'm sure there are some gay players or gay interested players who did).

[SolidBeast]

Luca Stern wrote...

You want some discouragement? (If you don't stop reading this) The developers aren't specifically not talking about VS. They're not talking about any LI business regardless. Out of all characters Kaidan is the most unlikely to be available for ManShep, because there is another new human male, no blacklash provoking reveals or retcons necessary.

Oh, am I all for some discouragement. Sadly, that's not really making me feel it, considering all the 4vs1 f/f to m/m choice options. But then I guess that might mean nothing, anyway. As for backlash, I think everything they announced received some at one point, hell, that might be why they're not putting the spotlight on s/s LIs at all, as people said.
We just won't know until the game comes out (or there some significant info in the demo), it's just that I'm tired of waiting for such seemingly non-spoilerific info.

Collider wrote...
 It just ends abruptly. It's hard to even head canon because of the lack of dialog as you've mentioned.

That's
why I felt the "lost a limb" line in Horizon was rather awkward and
hard to believe if Kaidan wasn't romanced

Hmm, I guess we just had different impressions of the character.

Depends what you mean by closeted.

In this case, "never mentioned being into men because there was no need to", "no one explicitly asked" (no dialogue option ) + realizing he's into Shepard or that his feelings were more than friendship from the start.

[Criz]

hmmm, maybe the thought didn't cross his mind much until he realized just how much he'd lost when Shepard died ...
maybe he had feelings but discarded them as admiration for a superior officer or just friendship forged by serving together or something like this.

Isn't the 'losing you was like losing a limb'-line in the Horizon dialog regardless of Shepard's gender?

I'm probably just grabbing for straws here ...
*sigh*

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Collider wrote...

2 options is pretty decent.

Sure, yes, having two options would be pretty decent if ME3 was a stand alone game and not the last part of a trilogy.
However since one of those two options is an afterthought with in all probability a character generator created face and the other is at this point pure speculation and looks rather unappealing (as in instant cold shower) to me, I'm not particularly impressed at this point. 

I find Vega to be the most attractive male LI in any Bioware game yet. But then I prefer manly dudes.

Has it been confirmed that there are in fact two m/m options or is this all still speculation? If Steve is the only one surely he'll have a custom face if Diana does....right? =/

[silentassassin264]

Criz-Zone wrote...

excuse me, did someone ask for mShep/Garrus?

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Criz-Zone wrote...

hmmm, maybe the thought didn't cross his mind much until he realized just how much he'd lost when Shepard died ...
maybe he had feelings but discarded them as admiration for a superior officer or just friendship forged by serving together or something like this.

Isn't the 'losing you was like losing a limb'-line in the Horizon dialog regardless of Shepard's gender?

I'm probably just grabbing for straws here ...
*sigh*

Yes. I'm sure Kaidan says that to a maleshep and it comes across as massively gay. The entire conversation does.

[bas_kon]

double post ¬¬ ignore this pls.

Modifié par bas_kon, 05 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[Finis Valorum]

Collider wrote...

It's not possible to put M/M on equal grounds with M/F or even F/F at this point.

I disagree with that last part, it's very much possible for them to put m/m on equal footing with f/f.
F/F currently gets Liara, Samantha, Kelly and Diana, this could be more or less matched for m/m with Kaidan, Steve, fling with male npc1, fling with male npc2. If the distribution is instead Kaidan, James and Steve, m/m could even potentially exceed f/f in content, though not in choice at this point.
So can it be done, yes, will it be done, most assuredly, no.

Though at this point I'd be happy just to have the option to express a preference towards men even if I don't care to actually romance Steve. This could be done quite easily by giving all the new m/f romances an option to decline by saying you prefer guys.
This way even if I choose to remain celibate, I at least won't feel like I'm playing a celibate heterosexual.

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Has it been confirmed
that there are in fact two m/m options or is this all still
speculation? If Steve is the only one surely he'll have a custom face
if Diana does....right? =/

It's all still speculation but at this point it does seem rather likely that Steve will have a character generator created face, but again even that is still speculation at this point. Hopefully we'll know more after the demo.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 05 février 2012 - 02:55 .

[bas_kon]

SolidBeast wrote...

katerinafm wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Sadly, Patrick Weekes telling me he won't answer my question if the VS is s/s available only makes me more hopeful. /stupid stupid stupid

That'd make me more hopeful too. Do you have a link to him saying that to you?

https://twitter.com/...992713446113280

The smiley totally means the answer is yes, right? Right?

"I'll respond. I won't ANSWER, but I'll TOTALLY respond. :)" 

Did you notice the words "answer" and "totally" in capitals?? maybe that's hiden the answer!! (ala Termial and Eternity in Samara's loyalty mision) Maybe it's me just being hopeful, though...

Modifié par bas_kon, 05 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[lietk12]

Collider wrote...

That's why I felt the "lost a limb" line in Horizon was rather awkward and hard to believe if Kaidan wasn't romanced - especially as male Shepard. It felt like it came out of nowhere - because I never got the impression that that Kaidan would feel like he lost a part of himself if male Shepard died.

Collider wrote...

Preferably, though, if Kaidan is to be available for male Shepard, I'd like it to be a realization that he had feelings (for male Shepard, instead of suddenly discovering feelings for men in general) rather than hiding anything.

I wonder how they'll end up explaining those feelings for male Shepard if they do decide to do it.

Perhaps the "lost a limb" could be used as a hint that Kaidan discovered those feelings after mShep's death?

Modifié par lietk12, 05 février 2012 - 02:58 .

[SolidBeast]

bas_kon wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

https://twitter.com/...992713446113280

The smiley totally means the answer is yes, right? Right?

"I'll respond. I won't ANSWER, but I'll TOTALLY respond. :)" 

Did you notice the words "answer" and "totally" in capitals?? maybe that's hiden the answer!! (ala Termial and Eternity in Samara's loyalty mision) Maybe it's me just being hopeful, though...

Hah, I never catch things like that.  If that was a hint, he dropped it at the wrong person.  BSN to the rescue!
Well, the devs did do things like this before, hmmm....

Modifié par SolidBeast, 05 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[Game_Fan_85]

Collider wrote...

I would rather them focus on quality and content than to try to imitate something that's already a done deal. That's not mutually exclusive, but Kaidan can be dead at this point. I would rather there be 2 options by default for all male Shepards (Vega and Steve) than have only one because that Shepard happened to save Ashley (I didn't, but I'm sure there are some gay players or gay interested players who did).

I saved Ashley simply to get the romance achievement. I never thought to reload back to Virmire to save Kaiden instead because frankly, I couldn't stand Ashley and preferred Kaiden's character much more..  I never cared about gay love interests in games because it was something I hadn't seen before.  It wasn't until I played Dragon Age: Origins that it became a "thing" in my head.

Criz-Zone wrote...

hmmm, maybe the thought didn't cross his mind much until he realized just how much he'd lost when Shepard died ...
maybe
he had feelings but discarded them as admiration for a superior officer
or just friendship forged by serving together or something like this.

Isn't the 'losing you was like losing a limb'-line in the Horizon dialog regardless of Shepard's gender?

I'm probably just grabbing for straws here ...
*sigh*

I just finished re-playing ME1&2 so I could correct some "mistakes" I made the first time around, like letting Kaiden die.  I was surprised by the Horizon conversation because I had only seen it on YouTube with a hacked male Shepard/Kaiden romance storyline.  I did not expect the same dialogue for vanila manShep from Kaiden because it really does come across like he was/is in love with manShep to me.

The thing that annoyed me in my replay is that the first time around I saved EVERYBODY, all crew and squad mates yet this time Mordin died as well as every single crew member but the doctor.  I have no idea what I did wrong the second time.  Maybe all that time I spent mining after getting the suicide mission is what made the crew die?  I never knew it was time based. 

Also, I romanced Jack in ME2 the first time around but (of course) not the second.  I told her I was not interested in sex but it still went towards me romancing her so I told her I was not interested which pissed her off and I could no longer speak to her, she just screamed "F*** OFF!) everytime I tried speaking.  That seemed a bit stupid to me.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 05 février 2012 - 04:04 .

[Jazinto]

bas_kon wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

https://twitter.com/...992713446113280

The smiley totally means the answer is yes, right? Right?

"I'll respond. I won't ANSWER, but I'll TOTALLY respond. :)" 

Did you notice the words "answer" and "totally" in capitals?? maybe that's hiden the answer!! (ala Termial and Eternity in Samara's loyalty mision) Maybe it's me just being hopeful, though...

I don't know what to say...

[Criz]

I just finished re-playing ME1&2 so I could correct some "mistakes" I made the first time around, like letting Kaiden die.  I was surprised by the Horizon conversation because I had only seen it on YouTube with a hacked male Shepard/Kaiden romance storyline.  I did not expect the same dialogue for vanila manShep from Kaiden because it really does come across like he was/is in love with manShep to me.

The thing that annoyed me in my replay is that the first time around I saved EVERYBODY, all crew and squad mates yet this time Mordin died as well as every single crew member but the doctor.  I have no idea what I did wrong the second time.  Maybe all that time I spent mining after getting the suicide mission is what made the crew die?  I never knew it was time based. 

Also, I romanced Jack in ME2 the first time around but (of course) not the second.  I told her I was not interested in sex but it still went towards me romancing her so I told her I was not interested which pissed her off and I could no longer speak to her, she just screamed "F*** OFF!) everytime I tried speaking.  That seemed a bit stupid to me.

technically this should go to another thread like this

but to quickly address some issues
- Mordin died on my first playthrough when I appointed him to lead the other team
also if you follow the link, they have lists with the order in which crewmembers will die in other situations
- the abducted crew will indeed die if you spend too much time after they are taken, depending on the amount of missions you do between the abduction and the rescue none of them dies, half of them dies or all save Chakwas die

as for the Jack romance, I read that bioWare will address the issue of Jack being **** you unless you romance her, let's see how that turns out in ME3


I just finished talking to Anders after the Horizon mission and he said something like the report confirming what Shepard had said, so I guess Kaidan at least stayed true to his word and let the others make their own conclusions and wasn't trying to make them anti-Shepard
and Kaidan also must've tried to show that the Reapers are behind it, but we know how the council (alien or human) react to that
so, save for jumping at the opportunity to leave the life behind them that they built after Shepard 'died' the VSs don't seem to carry any childish grudges against Shepard ...
I can't stress it enough, I think the VSs were right on Horizon, I just wish it had been possible to resolve the whole thing differently

[SolidBeast]

Luca Stern wrote...

bas_kon wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

https://twitter.com/...992713446113280

The smiley totally means the answer is yes, right? Right?

"I'll respond. I won't ANSWER, but I'll TOTALLY respond. :)" 

Did you notice the words "answer" and "totally" in capitals?? maybe that's hiden the answer!! (ala Termial and Eternity in Samara's loyalty mision) Maybe it's me just being hopeful, though...

I don't know what to say...

That we're just being too hopeful, maybe.

[katerinafm]

^ We certainly are but what else could we do until we get to see for ourselves? XD

BUT. His answer doesn't really make sense otherwise, does it?

Modifié par katerinafm, 05 février 2012 - 05:03 .

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...

Luca Stern wrote...

bas_kon wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

https://twitter.com/...992713446113280

The smiley totally means the answer is yes, right? Right?

"I'll respond. I won't ANSWER, but I'll TOTALLY respond. :)" 

Did you notice the words "answer" and "totally" in capitals?? maybe that's hiden the answer!! (ala Termial and Eternity in Samara's loyalty mision) Maybe it's me just being hopeful, though...

I don't know what to say...

That we're just being too hopeful, maybe.

Yep.

[Jazinto]

SolidBeast wrote...

That we're just being too hopeful, maybe.

Alright, arguments against Kaidan being m/m are still valid. BW's not always absolutely honest about spoilers. Might as well be a joke, since it doesn't really say anything. We interpret only a "coded" message.

Modifié par Luca Stern, 05 février 2012 - 05:14 .