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[ilovemesometurian]

That's true. If they're going to have it in the game, then they can also make an option for Shepard to be against it. However, murderers and psychopaths are usually not kind people who are made fun of for being the way they are. I've seen people be relentlessly cruel to homosexuals for no apparent reason, so you also cannot blame them for being sensitive to criticism, which is what seperates the murder/renegade issue from teh homosexuality. This is also the case with Xenophobia, as it is commonly not an accepted morale in most society viewpoints. In fact, it is the reason that any Anti-William fans hate Ashley for. And your Shepard can either be for or against it, but either because he does or does not believe in it. In the eyes of the latter, they believe that they are just getting their rights realized, so criticism of the morality (especially by the character they customize and control) is probably home hitting for them even though it is optional. But variety is what makes Mass Effect. You simply need to pay attention and pick the option that most suits you and be respectful in real life. This gives Shepard the right to be a Paragon homophobe or a Homosexual Renegade. Again, I believe BioWare will handle this with class, like everything else. Romance, is something I rarely concern myself with worrying about when it comes to the prowess of BioWare =)

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 18 juin 2011 - 01:47 .

[ilovemesometurian]

Montezuma IV wrote...

ilovemesometurian wrote...

That's true. If they're going to have it in the game, then they can also make an option for Shepard to be against it. However, murderers and psychopaths are usually not kind people who are made fun of for being the way they are. I've seen people be relentlessly cruel to homosexuals for no apparent reason, so you also cannot blame them for being sensitive to criticism, which is what seperates the murder/renegade issue from teh homosexuality. This gives Shepard the right to be a Paragon homophobe or a Renegade homosexual.

Again, I believe BioWare will handle this with class, like everything else. Romance, is something I rarely concern myself with worrying about when it comes to the prowess of BioWare =)

Well, my goodnes.....I hope homosexuality isn't a problem in 2185.....do you really want it to be?

Do I want homosexuality to be an issue when gigantic machines are destorying the beautiful galaxy as Shepard knows it? Of course not. Can I actively assume that issues like that will be weeded out by this time period? In a sci-fi game, I assume nothing. What I do support however is fair options for the entire fanbase that is playing Mass Effect. Am I saying that Shepard should spout slurs left and right or intend multiple sexual advances on every character? Again, no. What I believe is that romance is a choice. Like saving the Rachni queen, like choosing Udina over Anderson, like helping Samara over Morinth. I like having the option to choose =)

[Abispa]

Nyoka wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Abispa wrote...

And while I support a bisexual Shepard and love interests, I also support Bioware giving Shepard the option to be homophobic ("Stay away from me, Vega! You sick freak!") since s/he has been given the option of being a xenophobe, a murderer and even commit genocide.

Being xenophobe hurts aliens and she genocided aliens as well, which don't really exist, so at the end of the day it's harmless. As for the killing, it was people in general, not a specific collective. To have a valid analogy, you need to find an example of Shepard being hateful against a specific group of people that exists in real life.

The renegade Shepard can tell Jack to blow a human male's head off during her loyalty mission. He was deranged and no threat to anyone at that point, and Shepard his/herself even said that there was no way he could ever restart the biotic program. So Shepard can encourage the murder of a human being for reasons of revenge, bloodlust and brutal initiation into Shepard's clique. A situation sadly all too common in today's world.

True. However, as I said, to have a valid analogy, you need to find an example of Shepard being hateful against a specific group of people that exists in real life.

I've since edited my previous post. Also, I never said "homophobe" as in killing homosexuals, only as being rude and insensitive as renegade Shepard was to the two Asari tourists on the Citadel. While it's true that Asari don't exist in real life, it was baseball bat upside the head obvious that their situation was analagous to Arabs in a post-911 world.

To a limited extent, female Shepard was allowed to venture into homophobe territory when approached by Liara.

[ilovemesometurian]

Me? Oh heck no. Being for or against a homosexual relationship is just another choice. It should be no more phobic than a person who supported Ashley's xenophobia, or for a person who supports a paragon code over a renegade one. Again, that is up to bioware to create class in their choices. As for me, same sex romances just gives me another chance to play through the game again. My Shepard will most likely go after Garrus first if he's an option =D

[ilovemesometurian]

Montezuma IV wrote...

ilovemesometurian wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

ilovemesometurian wrote...

That's true. If they're going to have it in the game, then they can also make an option for Shepard to be against it. However, murderers and psychopaths are usually not kind people who are made fun of for being the way they are. I've seen people be relentlessly cruel to homosexuals for no apparent reason, so you also cannot blame them for being sensitive to criticism, which is what seperates the murder/renegade issue from teh homosexuality. This gives Shepard the right to be a Paragon homophobe or a Renegade homosexual.

Again, I believe BioWare will handle this with class, like everything else. Romance, is something I rarely concern myself with worrying about when it comes to the prowess of BioWare =)

Well, my goodnes.....I hope homosexuality isn't a problem in 2185.....do you really want it to be?

Do I want homosexuality to be an issue when gigantic machines are destorying the beautiful galaxy as Shepard knows it? Of course not. Can I actively assume that issues like that will be weeded out by this time period? In a sci-fi game, I assume nothing. What I do support however is fair options for the entire fanbase that is playing Mass Effect. Am I saying that Shepard should spout slurs left and right or intend multiple sexual advances on every character? Again, no. What I believe is that romance is a choice. Like saving the Rachni queen, like choosing Udina over Anderson, like helping Samara over Morinth. I like having the option to choose =)

There's a difference between romance choices and actively supporting a homophobic character....

I'm not supporting only a homophobic character. Just because I play renegade doesn't mean I'll go out headbutting the nearest Krogan or i support destroying an entire cure for a species. Again, choosing this option to not pursue a homosexual romance is a choice and should be no more harsh than someone who went against Ashley's xenophobia. In fact, Female Shepard's romance with Liara in LOTSB was one of the most romantic and best voice acted scenes in ME2. The male romance with Anders in DA2 was also very well done. I'm saying choose. If you can have one, you can have the other as long as both sides are tastefully done.

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 18 juin 2011 - 02:03 .

[AngelicMachinery]

ilovemesometurian wrote...

I'm not supporting only a homophobic character. Just because I play renegade doesn't mean I'll go out headbutting the nearest Krogan.

As an angry bisexual female rengade I can tell you that it's all about headbutting the nearest Krogan.

[Abispa]

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that Shepard should be given the option to rounding up gays, killing them, or start some other "evil WWII era Aryan political movement." S/he has always had the option to be an insensitive ass when dealing with the crew, I just thought it would be natural for a homophobic response to be one of them.

And, ilovemesometurian, I have it on good authority that Garrus has a thing for Korean chicks. Apparently a Hispanic male war hero is eagerly awaiting the new and improved Joker. I'm not sure if the Korean male street kid is truly ready to handle Wrex. I may have to look away or hope the screen goes black.

[Genly]

This thread moves fast... I support a TL;DR version summary in the OP post.

[ilovemesometurian]

Abispa wrote...

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that Shepard should be given the option to rounding up gays, killing them, or start some other "evil WWII era Aryan political movement." S/he has always had the option to be an insensitive ass when dealing with the crew, I just thought it would be natural for a homophobic response to be one of them.

And, ilovemesometurian, I have it on good authority that Garrus has a thing for Korean chicks. Apparently a Hispanic male war hero is eagerly awaiting the new and improved Joker. I'm not sure if the Korean male street kid is truly ready to handle Wrex. I may have to look away or hope the screen goes black.

DAMN IT! MY GIRLFRIEND'S A SOUTH KOREAN CHICK! Why does she get Garrus and I don't???

Oh... this is gonna cause some fights

[Abispa]

@ Genly -- Yeah, about two dozen pages a day or so. Thankfully, MOST of the people here have been okay to chat with, even when we disagree.

Things would be easier, though, if you'd all just agree with me, dammit.

[shepskisaac]

Velissia Fynold wrote..
But he doesn't even talk as open to a male char as he does to a female and somehow gave me (maybe no one else?) the feeling he is pretty straight on that

And on Horizon he gave me and even many straight guys a strong vibe that he has some deep feelings for ManShep.

Velissia Fynold wrote...
(and I don't really know the explanation why he didn't hit on male shep in ME1, can't imagin one either, while he really easy hitted on fem shep, even if you only where friendly to him).

The explanation is very simple and if you ever romanced Liara as a FemShep you would know it. Kaidan assumes Shep is straight so he hits on FemShep because he thinks has a chance with her but doesn't hit on ManShep since he thinks he has no chance with him. If/when FemShep gets involved with Liara, he says it loud that he didn't realize Shep preffered girls and makes it clear he wouldn't hit on Shep had he knew that.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 juin 2011 - 02:14 .

[Abispa]

ilovemesometurian wrote...

DAMN IT! MY GIRLFRIEND'S A SOUTH KOREAN CHICK! Why does she get Garrus and I don't???
Oh... this is gonna cause some fights

He's got reach, we got flexibility.

[AngelicMachinery]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I know Same-Sex been confirmed. I am Okays with it, I mainly though want all new characters or so be Bi, all old and current remain the same. I am happy almost all the originals are back, I am hope Shiala and some of them be back. I know too people like to complain or whatever. I am happy for most of you, it does get kind of annoying seeing same things over and over. I am sure BioWare will make everyone pleased and happy etc.... No one needs to push it or go over be good and be happy what you get.

It typically is only one thread... or two threads one for those who are for and the other again.  I don't understand not expressing our desires, when, lets be one hundred percent truthful here it's all we can do when it comes to ME.    I've also never been too good in knowing when one is pushing things or just being meek.  So far,  I at least believe that these threads have simply stayed on target and not become too particularly agressive.  Sure,  there have been arguments but that is only natural considering the source material.

As for who or who isn't bi/gay/straight...  We don't know and all people can do is cross their fingers and hope things turn out the way they want them too.

[Abispa]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I know Same-Sex been confirmed. I am Okays with it, I mainly though want all new characters or so be Bi, all old and current remain the same. I am happy almost all the originals are back, I am hope Shiala and some of them be back. I know too people like to complain or whatever. I am happy for most of you, it does get kind of annoying seeing same things over and over. I am sure BioWare will make everyone pleased and happy etc.... No one needs to push it or go over be good and be happy what you get.

Both sides have made it clear that there is going to be a lot of complaining over whether or not previous LIs can become all-Shepard-sexual. Why is one group's complaining worse than the other's.

I'm a straight male, and like a typical male I play staight guys and women mostly and the occasional lesbian. My GF is a straight female (who WILL get her OWN Bioware account SOON so she can stop starting fights in my name) who plays every gender and class combination imaginable (and may someday even finish some of them), and always goes after the male LIs. Her male Shepards have been lonely.

If you're tired of seeing the same thing over and over, you're welcome to add your two cents, just don't troll or automatically assume anyone who disagrees with you is trolling and you can have fun here two.

[weikle21]

I play both genders all the time and i'm completely obsessed with my femshep/liara romance which has been fantastically written and voiced. Now I'm incredibly excited to find out who the same-sex LI's are. I was a little disappointed when they chose to remove the male/male romances from BOTH the previous games. Hopefully it will be worth the wait.

[ilovemesometurian]

Heck with my 27 Shepards there's got to be at least one who's gay. I just hope that the romances all take a turn like LOTSB. More music and more romantic dialogues. And BUTTGRABS!

That being said, I wonder how they'll incorporate older characters from ME2 in being bisexual? Like a, "Oh i didnt realize i felt that way" thing or something? I think Jack has already said she's been with both guys and girls back in ME2.

[weikle21]

ilovemesometurian wrote...

 I just hope that the romances all take a turn like LOTSB.

I think we all would like that lol. Jack said she's not the girls club kinda girl. Idk if that means she doesn't like the friendship aspect or the relationship.

[Aurellia]

Even though I advocated a compromise earlier, I voted for all LIs to be BI plus have new ones. Why? Because in thinking it through, it is too hard to settle on the right subset of romances to make BI without having some folks feeling left out.

Since there is a strong consensus against Ninjamancing, having all BI with easy to avoid romance dialog seems like the best option for me.  It will give everyone who wants to take advantage of same sex the most replay value.

Modifié par Aurellia, 18 juin 2011 - 02:47 .