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[bigbrowncows]

Abispa wrote...

You don't have to be gay to role play gay characters, any more than you have to have personal military or space travel experience to play Shepard.

What he said ^

[Jazinto]

Metopholus wrote...

Perhaps this is a bit off topic but ive always found the "18% play Femshep" thing a bit suspect. the original statistics i read was this:

13% of players picked default male Shepard
18% of Players picked Femshep
87% of players picked a custom version of Shepard changing either appearance class or GENDER.

unless they cleaned it up a lot since i then i find it hard to really get much out of it.

Which original statistics?



Source: IGN

That's the original as far as I know. The 18% instead of 20% are from an (updated?) fact sheet that turned up at destructoid a few months later:

"82% play as male Shepard, 18% as female Shepard"

Source: destructoid

Modifié par Luca Stern, 05 février 2012 - 11:24 .

[ReallyRue]

^ Presumably, that's just for people's 'main' Shepard, isn't it? They can't really account for alternative playthroughs people might have.

[Jazinto]

Just read the IGN article. They not only got the statistic, but also interviewed Casey Hudson about it and he said:

"The only data that we get are in terms of events -- little things that
happen in the game," explained Hudson. "Let's say if we want to know
whether players skip lines of dialogue, we can have that become a little
event that gets sent up. It's all completely anonymous, so all we get
is raw numbers for how many times these kinds of events occur. Then we
can start getting ratios and comparing proportions and things like that.
It becomes this mass of numbers, and then we have to try to figure out
how we would interpret that."

Modifié par Luca Stern, 06 février 2012 - 12:13 .

[Abispa]

ReallyRue wrote...

^ Presumably, that's just for people's 'main' Shepard, isn't it? They can't really account for alternative playthroughs people might have.

I believe that would be ALL play-throughs. What it can't possibly show is if a single player plays MULTIPLE Shepards, but it is his/her female engineer Shepard who is his/her favorite character and the others are just him/her playing around and checking variables.

[bas_kon]

Collider wrote...
I don't think that means that homosexuality isn't accepted.

But I never said anything about homosexuality, I said men in ME are more distant with each other than with women. It has nothing to do with sexuality, just cultural behavors. Thus Kaidan and m!shep are more distant than K and f!shep.

I'm not completely certain, but that seems flat out untrue.
Pretty sure Kaidan reacts differently to Shepard saying or doing the same thing, depending on gender.
Which means it's not just a matter of Shepard not saying certain things.

Well, that's the impression I got every time I played ME (even before knowing K could be moded). Last time I played was a month ago or so. I'm pretty sure m!shep's lines are different from f!shep's before K lines change. So Kaidan's reacting different to different lines is a given.

It's very possible that Kaidan had feelings for male Shepard in ME1/ME2, I just don't find strong friendship and romantic feelings during those games very believable considering how distant the relationship was in ME1. And when it comes down to it - if they decide to make Kaidan romanceable by male Shepard, it's a decision probably made during ME3's production rather than in advance. That is to say, Kaidan's interactions with male Shepard in ME1 was never planned to be romance and therefore very unlikely to have intentional homosexual subtext. Same goes for ME2.

Actually, I know they just thought about making him bi. I saw the video of m!shep refering himself as a woman. That said, the perception of his relationship with m!shep, either with or without homosexual subtect is subjetive, no one will agree, because everyone feels and plays the game differently. To some he'd be the co-protagonist of the series, to others he's just dead. It depends.
I for instance, don't consider Liara my m!sheps' co-portagonist despite bioware's efforts.

Kaidan mentioning have had feelings would in all likelihood essentially be a retcon in the same way as Tali was. Which I understand some people didn't like (including possibly in this thread).

Yes, I don't deny that. But having someone confesing the feelings, s/he has been keeping in secret to the protagonist for whatever reason, until the last part of a trilogy, is not just as bad as making an alien species have potencially deadly heterosexual sex "out of respect"/"because of a teen crush". It's not close at all, not to mention that VS' retcon kind, has being used in movies with hetero relationships tons of times.

What isn't there matters - especially considering that it's a video game. Everything is deliberate.

In a videogame, a movie, a book and every story. And most of the stories have been retconned even the iconic ones (Luke, I'm your father). But here's the thing, m!shep's universe Kaidan is different than f!shep's it doesn't matter what he says to her, since she doesn't exist but in your mind, and he doesn't flirt with any other woman during  ME or ME2 (since the doctor might not even exist if you didn't romance him), so he could perfectly have a crush on him and remain silent without being such a retcon.

It didn't sound very good to hear Kaidan talk about Kahlee being beautiful and reading novels about proving himself for the woman he loves - in a homosexual male context.

Does he mention Khalee in ME1?? I don't remember that. But I meant, we don't need to be reminded every convesation that we are playing a male PC romancing another male, because we can actually see it.
And as a bisexual man I can tell you that I treat men and women exactly the same. I wouldn't do anything for a woman that I wouldn't for a man. And if I had to prove myself for the man I love I'd do it just as gladly as I'd do it for a woman. So it doesn't seem weird to me if Kaidan did it.

[TheLastThought]

Abispa wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

^ Presumably, that's just for people's 'main' Shepard, isn't it? They can't really account for alternative playthroughs people might have.

I believe that would be ALL play-throughs. What it can't possibly show is if a single player plays MULTIPLE Shepards, but it is his/her female engineer Shepard who is his/her favorite character and the others are just him/her playing around and checking variables.

Disagree( and agree with ReallyRue:P)... I enjoy playing FemShep as much as ManShep (the first because I'm a girl and the second because he's hot!xD).. Don't really have a favourite!
@bas_kon: you rock! I agree with practically everything!

Modifié par TheLastThought, 06 février 2012 - 01:11 .

[Tazzmission]

neil patrick harris should play steve also for people crying about gay romances i am a straight male and i will be using this feature in game.

[Tazzmission]

Abispa wrote...

You don't have to be gay to role play gay characters, any more than you have to have personal military or space travel experience to play Shepard.

agreed and quoted for truth.

[RomanDark]

Here's hoping for threesomes in ME3! lol



A piece I requested from K-Laine over at DeviantArt

http://k-laine.deviantart.com/

[Ricvenart]

bas_kon wrote...

Kaidan mentioning have had feelings would in all likelihood essentially be a retcon in the same way as Tali was. Which I understand some people didn't like (including possibly in this thread).

Yes, I don't deny that. But having someone confesing the feelings, s/he has been keeping in secret to the protagonist for whatever reason, until the last part of a trilogy, is not just as bad as making an alien species have potencially deadly heterosexual sex "out of respect"/"because of a teen crush". It's not close at all, not to mention that VS' retcon kind, has being used in movies with hetero relationships tons of times.

What isn't there matters - especially considering that it's a video game. Everything is deliberate.

In a videogame, a movie, a book and every story. And most of the stories have been retconned even the iconic ones (Luke, I'm your father). But here's the thing, m!shep's universe Kaidan is different than f!shep's it doesn't matter what he says to her, since she doesn't exist but in your mind, and he doesn't flirt with any other woman during  ME or ME2 (since the doctor might not even exist if you didn't romance him), so he could perfectly have a crush on him and remain silent without being such a retcon.

I completely disagree with the first, whenever I see this arguement used I just think "Did you write the entire character yourself? And more so do you remember him explicitly saying he wasn't interested in men?", the answer to both is no. Moreso then that ME3 isn't out yet, even the leaked scripts are at best vague on this subject, although if that one line is meant within the context it sounds like it seems completely reasonable, it all depends on how they write it, if come ME3 he dumps all the FemSheps out there so he can be with a man then yes it's a retcon, out of character and sloppy or if it's not really hinted at and he's seems magically interesting in men too now again it's out of character. But theres lot's of ways and reasons round it, whether he held off on bringing it up due to the superior officer issue, even saying he had feelings for a long time, it works.
And how is Tali's romance a retcon in anyway, shape or form? In ME she hadn't been though enough with Shepard to even consider a romantic relationship with him, something that is highly difficult and valued to the Quarians, to remotely consider abandoning her Pilgrimage and fleet, there is no post game where she comes up to Shepard to say after all that she respects him enough and even if there was she needed to spend more time with him and have the freedom the fleet had granted her in ME2 for it to happen. Unless it's something from the additional story part (comic/books etc) I'd love to know why her developing feelings over time for Shepard is a rewrite of character, just because the relationship didn't develop in an instant of ME1 it means it was never meant to happen, this also works with Kaidan/Mshep.

The second I agree with and it's not mutually exclusive from the first point either, if they provide the option it's up to you to take it or keep in your head that he's a womanizer (although that is something explicitly stating he's not like), What happens in one persons ME universe doesn't have to happen in the other, if it did they might as well remove all choice and renegade/paragon replies so that everyones Rachni queen was killed with acid etc.

Maybe I'm just more bias then I realise, but I've yet to hear a decent reason for excluding m/m romances and keeping it that way or how it's impossible for certain characters to be interested in the same sex (with the exception of Jack, sounds like she's been there done that and didn't like it so never would be interest in women too). If Kaidan's character does change, if he became interested in MShep, then I'd be angry about it too but the game isn't even out yet. I doubt it'd happen tbh, so frankly it feels like I just typed out alot for pointlessness but so does the judgements on how they are betraying thier character they wrote without seeing it.

[bas_kon]

Ricvenart wrote...


I completely
disagree with the first, whenever I see this arguement used I just
think "Did you write the entire character yourself? And more so do you
remember him explicitly saying he wasn't interested in men?", the answer
to both is no. Moreso then that ME3 isn't out yet, even the leaked
scripts are at best vague on this subject, although if that one line is
meant within the context it sounds like it seems completely reasonable,
it all depends on how they write it, if come ME3 he dumps all the
FemSheps out there so he can be with a man then yes it's a retcon, out
of character and sloppy or if it's not really hinted at and he's seems
magically interesting in men too now again it's out of character. But
theres lot's of ways and reasons round it, whether he held off on
bringing it up due to the superior officer issue, even saying he had
feelings for a long time, it works.
And how is Tali's romance a
retcon in anyway, shape or form? In ME she hadn't been though enough
with Shepard to even consider a romantic relationship with him,
something that is highly difficult and valued to the Quarians, to
remotely consider abandoning her Pilgrimage and fleet, there is no post
game where she comes up to Shepard to say after all that she respects
him enough and even if there was she needed to spend more time with him
and have the freedom the fleet had granted her in ME2 for it to happen.
Unless it's something from the additional story part (comic/books etc)
I'd love to know why her developing feelings over time for Shepard is a
rewrite of character, just because the relationship didn't develop in an
instant of ME1 it means it was never meant to happen, this also works
with Kaidan/Mshep.

The second I agree with and it's not mutually
exclusive from the first point either, if they provide the option it's
up to you to take it or keep in your head that he's a womanizer
(although that is something explicitly stating he's not like), What
happens in one persons ME universe doesn't have to happen in the other,
if it did they might as well remove all choice and renegade/paragon
replies so that everyones Rachni queen was killed with acid etc.

Maybe
I'm just more bias then I realise, but I've yet to hear a decent reason
for excluding m/m romances and keeping it that way or how it's
impossible for certain characters to be interested in the same sex (with
the exception of Jack, sounds like she's been there done that and
didn't like it so never would be interest in women too). If Kaidan's
character does change, if he became interested in MShep, then I'd be
angry about it too but the game isn't even out yet. I doubt it'd happen
tbh, so frankly it feels like I just typed out alot for pointlessness
but so does the judgements on how they are betraying thier character
they wrote without seeing it.

I think you
missunderstood my post, because in fact, I was defending bi Kaidan,
mostly because no one knows how he feels about m!shep. Collider was the
one who said it was a retcon because the weren't friends enough.
As
for Tali, it's not a retcon of the character itself, but the entire
quarian lore (incompatible DNA thing fixed by Mordin's magic gel), but
since she's straight it's ok.

Modifié par bas_kon, 06 février 2012 - 12:35 .

[Collider]

But I never said anything about homosexuality, I said men in ME are more distant with each other than with women. It has nothing to do with sexuality, just cultural behavors. Thus Kaidan and m!shep are more distant than K and f!shep.

There's no telling whether that's because men are generally more distant in the ME universe (which I don't really find a definite fact), it's simply designer negligence/overlooking, or it's actually just part of Kaidan's personality.

If you look at the other squad mates, all of them generally treat male and female Shepard the same. There's no significant disparity like there was for Kaidan.
I never got the impression that Garrus for example was inherently closer to female Shepard simply because she's of the female sex. There's maybe one different line between male and female Shepard - everything else is the same up to the romance.

Whatever the reason for the distance, I don't view the relationship between Kaidan and male Shepard as being close friends in ME1. I never really saw anything that would indicate as such. Generic things like the Normandy and Horizon really don't count much to me - because they don't take into account how you could have treated Kaidan badly in ME1. Called him a whiner, condemn him for being an alien sympathizer, etc.

That said, the perception of his relationship with m!shep, either with or without homosexual subtect is subjetive, no one will agree, because everyone feels and plays the game differently.

To me, it's hard to argue that there's subtext if subtext was never intended. You can imagine it, but ultimately the writers did or did not put it there purposefully/in general. And they probably didn't.
I am of course not saying that you can't imagine your male Shepard having unvoiced feelings for Kaidan or whomever - but I don't think how Kaidan feels is a matter of how you perceive it, as much as a matter of what the writers wanted. In the end, it's not going to matter if you perceived Kaidan as having an attraction towards male Shepard, being gay, being bisexual, being closeted, being confused, what have you - if they end up just keeping him heterosexual romanceable only.

In a videogame, a movie, a book and every story. And most of the stories have been retconned even the iconic ones (Luke, I'm your father). But here's the thing, m!shep's universe Kaidan is different than f!shep's it doesn't matter what he says to her, since she doesn't exist but in your mind, and he doesn't flirt with any other woman during ME or ME2 (since the doctor might not even exist if you didn't romance him), so he could perfectly have a crush on him and remain silent without being such a retcon.

It's not just what he says to female Shepard - it's also what he doesn't say to male Shepard. As I said, there's no equivalent conversation for Kaidan unromanced where he says how much he respects or appreciate Shepard - like every other squad mate has. Including male squad mates to male Shepard.

So far as Kaidan flirting with women - I'm not talking about sexual orientation. Just what he felt towards male Shepard. Since he never actually voiced any romantic feelings to male Shepard during ME1 (beyond some fan projection), Kaidan saying he had (unexpressed or otherwise) feelings would be exactly as they did with Tali. A technical retcon.

Does he mention Khalee in ME1?? I don't remember that. But I meant, we don't need to be reminded every convesation that we are playing a male PC romancing another male, because we can actually see it.
And as a bisexual man I can tell you that I treat men and women exactly the same. I wouldn't do anything for a woman that I wouldn't for a man. And if I had to prove myself for the man I love I'd do it just as gladly as I'd do it for a woman. So it doesn't seem weird to me if Kaidan did it.

Meant to say Rahna instead of Kahlee - probably been following the Deception debacle too much.
I'm not saying that Kaidan has to have a previous male relationship that he talks about - but I personally (and quite possibly the developers as well) think that talking about beautiful women only and repeatedly doesn't fit well with a homosexual male romance context. So far as treating men and women the same romantically, that's a very individual thing.

One of the lines that Kaidan has is comparing female Shepard to Rahna. He says that she was beautiful but not stuck up about it - like female Shepard. Sure, you can call a man beautiful, and even compare his looks to a woman, but all of these lines about women put together wouldn't give the impression that men aren't second best or have been just as important for Kaidan. All of these lines are held to this standard of women (instead of also men or just people in general) that male Shepard doesn't qualify for.

Rant incoming.

Obviously preferring one gender over the other is perfectly fine, but I am pretty tired of literally every bisexual male love interests primarily or solely going on about past female loves, primarily or solely drooling over women (Kaidan was clearly an example even if he didn't personally intend to be one*), yet turning around and romancing males anyway.

Alone, it's fine. It happens and maybe most bisexual men prefer women one way or the other anyway. But all of the bisexual male love interests? It's like there's a purposeful attempt to make them look more straight than "gay," if not completely straight. Like male homosexuality is something to be lessened, put on the shelf, avoided, or tip toed around. Most bisexual love interests are also essentially presented as being just straight when you're romancing or speaking to them as the female player character (and often if you don't romance them as male, too). They even made Karl just a friend instead of gay lover if you're playing as female Hawke. Which means heterosexual female players/player characters don't have to deal with male love interests outlining their relationships/encounters with the gender their player character isn't.

The sad fact is that all of the male established or potential (in terms of plausibility or fan demand - not including robots and krogan here for example) love interests besides Steve have been very much portrayed as having an inclination towards women (and usually nothing or nearly nothing for men when not same sex romanced). Even when not taking into account that female Shepard can romance some of them.

In terms of what's there in ME1 - Kaidan would be - and would have been another example of this if they had just used the same lines. And that's a damn shame.

*I know I'm going to be asked for examples, so here are some:
1. Kaidan ogling the female dancers in Chora's Den - Ashley tells him to put his tongue back in his mouth.
2. Kaidan has knowledge of asari matriarch fetish porn sites. Even has that awkward moment where he realizes what that looks like.
3. The whole thing with Rahna etc that I mentioned. And also Liara (who is "nice on the eyes" to him).

I suppose that's why I'm not particularly enthused about Kaidan possibly being bisexual in ME3 - I'm not convinced that it would be different from what we've already had.

The good thing about Vega is that being a muscular, hulking, and traditionally masculine marine breaks some of the gay stereotypes. I'm not pleased that he's portrayed as a bit of horndog towards women, but he would at least have some social utility (not to say that it's Bioware's responsibility to champion social issues, but it's still nice).

This whole thing with bisexual males etc that I've talked about is probably a nonissue to some/most people. But "as a" man interested in men myself (labels aside), it would be nice to have a bisexual male love romance where I'm not wondering whether the male PC is runner up rather than first choice or whether they made the love interest deliberately more straight acting.

Also: The thing with Tali is and the thing with Kaidan would be a retcon because they're expanding, altering, or (re)interpreting past events to suit future ones. It's not a terrible retcon like bringing Ashley back from the dead or making Liara heterosexual - but it's still technically one, imo.

The argument that it wouldn't be as bad with Kaidan...really depends on how they do it. It isn't as if they had to do Tali's attraction to male Shepard as they did, after all.
It's all in the execution - and I'm not expecting Kaidan's new writer (I believe Lucas is working on another project) to keep him as his original writer would.

Modifié par Collider, 06 février 2012 - 04:11 .

[Ricvenart]

1st part wasn't entirely directed at you, sorry but I did think you were sort of agree it would be a retcon, I skimmed over the it's nothing like an alien bit, so sorry for that.
Interesting about Tali, didn't realise there was a DNA issue on top of the extremely hazardous infection risks. Good old Mordin's magical gel though (sounds like something a snake oil salesman would sell) for allowing interspecies sex everywhere.

While I'm here, I'm surpised Collider, you don't see very strong friendship between male shep and Kaidan, I felt they seemed very close, and intended to seem so, regardless of questionable sexuality, resulting from years of working closely together he's comfortable enough to talk freely and personally with his commander, seperate to that due to maybe it's just wishful thinking or a "glitch" from the f/Kaidan relationship there was a few points I felt he was near flirting with me. I wouldn't say about Horizon due to the dip in quality there, although he doesn't hug someone he's not in a relationship with male or female I believe. Maybe you didn't see it as much due to Liara seemingly being the default for everything (ie. the only way to see Kaidan in the opening of ME2 is to import a f/shep in a relationship with him, every other possibility results in Liara being there).

@Romandark, nice picture but tbh I don't really see the likeness there, maybe it's too anime/twinky for me. My Shepard eats his crusts so has chest hair.

[Collider]

In the xbox 360 and PC versions (I play on the latter), Liara only appears in the intro if she was romanced. Otherwise, it's the VS (Kaidan or Ashley). You may see it in a romantic context but he's still a soldier who wants to do his duty. And Shepard is his commander.

I didn't find Horizon very believable because I didn't get the feeling from the interactions in ME1 that Kaidan would feel as though he lost a limb/a part of himself if male Shepard died.
Maybe things happened between ME1 and ME2 that established a stronger friendship, I guess.

[Ryzaki]

Eh Collider I didn't find Tali's or Liara's "YAY SHEPARD!" very believable either with my renedouche who completely ignored them if he wasn't insulting them.

I'm guessing Shep just gives off some weird pheromones.

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh Collider I didn't find Tali's or Liara's "YAY SHEPARD!" very believable either with my renedouche who completely ignored them if he wasn't insulting them.
 

Hey, never said I liked that either.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh Collider I didn't find Tali's or Liara's "YAY SHEPARD!" very believable either with my renedouche who completely ignored them if he wasn't insulting them.
 

Hey, never said I liked that either.

I know I'm just saying Kaidan's "BFF FOREVER!" wouldn't be without precedent. Sadly.

Tali: How could she not fall in love with him?

Shep: ...how could she not fall in love with the blatantly racist man who said her species deserved to be almost eliminated and only let her on the ship in the first place because his superior forced him too and didn't hesitate to tell her to GTFO and complete her damn pilgramage and even refused to give her valuable geth data? And then turned around and handed a tramautized person she was at Freedom's Progress to help over to Cerberus and now he's even more screwed up because of their "interrogation"? And blatantly supports Cerberus infront of her at every opportunity? Yeah I totally don't see how she couldn't.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[Game_Fan_85]

Abispa wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

The thing that annoyed me in my replay is that the first time around I saved EVERYBODY, all crew and squad mates yet this time Mordin died as well as every single crew member but the doctor.  I have no idea what I did wrong the second time.  Maybe all that time I spent mining after getting the suicide mission is what made the crew die?  I never knew it was time based.

I'm not sure about the EXACT magic formula, but, as I understand it, the more squadmates you have, the more "badass" characters you need to leave behind to ensure all those who "cover your back" survive. So if you have Legion and the DLC guys, you need more than one "bad ass" character to cover them. It MAY also depend  if you made their special abilities geared toward killing or survival.

I know Grunt and Zaeed are "bad asses," and I am kinda sure that Garrus and Jack are, too. Just to be safe I leave Miranda behind. The only times I mysteriously lost Tali or Mordin were when I took her with me and sent Garrus or Zaeed back with the Normandy survivors.

I took Garrus and Grunt to the final battle which is why Mordin died.  Thanks to the link Criz-Zone gave me, it seems the formula is that if you take two of either Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed (those being the toughest badasses) with you to the final battle, Mordin dies. I replayed from my last save and saved everyone the second time.  I took Miranda and Jack today just to be safe!

When I lost all the crew I was thinking "but I only did mining, the only quest I had left was Arrival which I play last" but replaying today, I remembered that the mining led to quests, duh. 

[Indigo the Cat]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but I think that a Salarian same-sex interest might work, though no idea if BioWare would do it. The reason I say this is because in Salarian Society, according to the Codex entry, only about 10% of Salarians are female, and 90% are males. This is because Salarian eggs hatch into males if unfertilized, but require fertilization to become female. (This is where the breeding contracts come in, as it decides which family lines get to converge and which family's get to continue their lineage.)

The Codex also specified that Male-Female Relationships are extremely rare among Salarians outside of a very platonic and basic friendship. While Salarians don't really have sex-drives, there is nothing that stated that they aren't interested in love at all. Mordin Solus will even tell Shepard, even Male Shepard, that "if I wanted to try human, I would try you."

[Jazinto]

Yes, Mordin is loved by many and he's actually the only male Squadmate who says to even ManShep: "If I intented try human, would try you." But yes, he also tells you: "Salarian reproduction different. Very little sex drive." It never goes anywhere. He basically says he's not interested. And he could be dead, because of the suicide mission. It seems he's not a permanent squamate in ME3, nor is another major Salarian around. Most importantly the demand for a Salarian romance is limited. When it comes to male on male romance the interest in any alien is in fact limited. Most discussion here focuses on Vega, Kaidan and Cortez, all of them human.

Modifié par Luca Stern, 06 février 2012 - 09:22 .

[ElitePinecone]

Indigo the Cat wrote...
Mordin Solus will even tell Shepard, even Male Shepard, that "if I wanted to try human, I would try you."

I'm pretty sure that was intended as a joke

[Jazinto]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Indigo the Cat wrote...
Mordin Solus will even tell Shepard, even Male Shepard, that "if I wanted to try human, I would try you."

I'm pretty sure that was intended as a joke

Either way he only says it when you don't romance anybody else. (Fun fact: He also finds Asari sexual offerings interesting @Bisexuals in games mainly into girls.)  Doesn't matter, he's simply not romanceable.


About Kaidan in ME2. You guys know the default survivor for ManShep is Ashley and vice versa Kaidan for FemShep? Wouldn't suprise me if they simply didn't bother to cover all different options, but instead tried to find as much common ground as possible for the cutscenes.

[bleetman]

Luca Stern wrote...

Most importantly the demand for a Salarian romance is limited.

Speak for yourself. Kirrahe

Dat cloaca.