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[Knightly_BW]

Personally I like how Salarians look. Drell, Turians or even Krogans created visually pleasing.
However when it comes to love, especially sex part, to me it feels weird. I never see one of those races naked for one so don't have any idea if their racial anatomy suitable for human/X race romance. Salarians for example reproduce with eggs... just like chicken. For Drell and Krogans which are reptilian races, try to imagine them with snake organs...
So for male/male romances I will stick with humans. If you think love has nothing to do with sex, in my book it is friendship. So I am BFF with alien races.

[Jazinto]

I didn't say that's how I feel. I'm talking about general interest. It's rather simple. The Mordin thread has 25 pages. Kirrahe's only 2. Already says a lot. No matter if pixels or reality humans generally prefer attractive physique.

[bas_kon]

@Collider: Then again, I never said homosexual subtext in Kaidan was intended by devs, at least not until ME3, because there was no m/m at all. That said, the percepcion of the level of their relationship is just your point of view, since a lot of people, if not most, may not agree with the Kaidan's "distant friend" thing (leaving sexuality aside).

When I talked about men being different with one another, it was something general, and everyone perceives it, if it wasn't like that, there would have been tons of straight guys whining about the game being gay "'coz bros don't act like that".
But I see your point, and afaik, Kaidan's abrupt lack of content was caused because of the limited resources, and if he kept talking he would have being romancing m!shep, so they didn't let shep talk to him anymore (ala Jack, but not just as bad). While other unromanceable squadmates didn't have this problem.

You seem to be stuck on the "he says this and that to f!shep and not to m!shep" but f!shep doesn't exist because she IS him, I mean f!shep is the posibility of m!shep being born a woman. But in that playthrough he was born a man, I don't see you imagining how people would react to you if you were a woman, since you aren't and will never be. Those universes just don't mix.

About the "he prefers women" thing regarding bioware male LIs, it's always been like this, since they always take notice of straight men and women first. M/M has been a second thought (and not even that in ME series) until ME3 (that changed with Steve).
If you compared Kaidan to Steve, who is s/s only, I would agree he has a social utility. But Vega would also prefer women and would be even louder than Kaidan about that, but then he has muscles so he would be breaking stereotypes?
I don't get it, really. I'd like s/s Vega as much as the next guy, but there's no way on earth you can ship one and not the other, because they BOTH are pimarily straight and they both are manly marines. The only difference I see is that Kaidan has more time to develop some "unexpected" feelings for m!shep, also that Vega's louder about women and his muscles (but I'm not into that), so if I miss something enlighten me. And no, f!shep still doesn't exist so her relationship's not debatable when we speak about m!shep.

Edit:corrected some spelling mistakes.

Modifié par bas_kon, 06 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[ElitePinecone]

Luca Stern wrote...

I didn't say that's how I feel. I'm talking about general interest. It's rather simple. The Mordin thread has 25 pages. Kirrahe's only 2. Already says a lot. No matter if pixels or reality humans generally prefer attractive physique.

All of the LIs for ME3 (sans Liara and the returning ME2 ones) are human, though. 

It might be that alien romances are considered too risky when aiming for a larger audience, I don't know.

[Augoeides]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Luca Stern wrote...

I didn't say that's how I feel. I'm talking about general interest. It's rather simple. The Mordin thread has 25 pages. Kirrahe's only 2. Already says a lot. No matter if pixels or reality humans generally prefer attractive physique.

All of the LIs for ME3 (sans Liara and the returning ME2 ones) are human, though. 

It might be that alien romances are considered too risky when aiming for a larger audience, I don't know.

There's a much greater chance of hitting a decent demographic of users with a human romance than an alien romance I'd imagine. There's a lot of ifs, buts and maybes when it comes to alien design I reckon, and there's a chance when working with someting unfamiliar to to completely miss the mark.

I mean so far, the alien races we can romance all have if nothing else a relatively humanoid shape, if not very human features (asari) or relatively human textured human features (Thane). Garrus breaks the mold but even still, you generally know where and what each part of his face is and it still maintains much humanity (turian) and while Quarians are unknown, I think there's a good chance they'll be one of the above.

[Jazinto]

ElitePinecone wrote...

All of the LIs for ME3 (sans Liara and the returning ME2 ones) are human, though. 

It might be that alien romances are considered too risky when aiming for a larger audience, I don't know.

Well, yes...With attractive physique I meant human. I thought that was obvious  Anyway, it's not like there are a lot of new LI. I think the ME2 statistics told the devs players didn't care so much for alien romance. Tali and Asari at least look a similiar to women and have boobs. Alien romances were probably a bit more like bonus stuff, part fan service, part curiosity and trying something different.

Modifié par Luca Stern, 06 février 2012 - 01:37 .

[CheekyWeazel]

Im not really well informed about this, but i really would like to know: Is it, for me as Femshep, possible to have a Romance with Ashley in ME3 ?

I really hope someone could answer me this, im preparing a Mass Effect 1 Savegame at the Moment and need this Information really really bad

[Augoeides]

CheekyWeazel wrote...

Im not really well informed about this, but i really would like to know: Is it, for me as Femshep, possible to have a Romance with Ashley in ME3 ?

I really hope someone could answer me this, im preparing a Mass Effect 1 Savegame at the Moment and need this Information really really bad

We don't know. Many speculators will say yes for certain and others will say no for certain, but it's all still speculation.

[Knightly_BW]

Asari presented in game as intergalactic sex objects (all dancers in clubs are one wearing spandex suits with crotch window). They look very human... just like elves of fantasy fiction. They are very human like.

Tali's success lies in imagination I guess. You can't see much of her other than boobs and her big behind which is enough for most straight guys I know. She is one big "put bag on her head" case.

[Knightly_BW]

CheekyWeazel wrote...

Im not really well informed about this, but i really would like to know: Is it, for me as Femshep, possible to have a Romance with Ashley in ME3 ?

I really hope someone could answer me this, im preparing a Mass Effect 1 Savegame at the Moment and need this Information really really bad

No matter what you need to rescue her on ME 1 anyway if you want to romance her on ME 3 if it will become available.

[ElitePinecone]

Augoeides wrote...

There's a much greater chance of hitting a decent demographic of users with a human romance than an alien romance I'd imagine. There's a lot of ifs, buts and maybes when it comes to alien design I reckon, and there's a chance when working with someting unfamiliar to to completely miss the mark.

I think this is true. 

Bioware would have better numbers on the relative popularity of the alien LIs, but I suspect for investment's sake they went with human ones in ME3. It's probably easier to justify spending the money.

[Collider]

afaik, Kaidan's abrupt lack of content was caused because of the limited resources

I'm not sure we really know that. They just decided that the dialog present for Ashley/Kaidan didn't fit for same sex romance. Anything beyond that is supposition unless I'm missing a comment by a writer who actually says they would have made Ashley/Kaidan bisexual if they had more time to write and record.

You seem to be stuck on the "he says this and that to f!shep and not to m!shep" but f!shep doesn't exist because she IS him, I mean f!shep is the posibility of m!shep being born a woman. But in that playthrough he was born a man, I don't see you imagining how people would react to you if you were a woman, since you aren't and will never be. Those universes just don't mix.

I was speaking about female Shepard in a meta sense. If you're relying primarily on head canon or roleplaying, yea, I suppose female Shepard doesn't matter if you're playing as male.

but then he has muscles so he would be breaking stereotypes?

I don't get it, really. I'd like s/s Vega as much as the next guy, but there's no way on earth you can ship one and not the other, because they BOTH are pimarily straight and they both are manly marines

Yea, frankly. You hardly ever see traditionally very "masculine" gay/bi male characters in video games or elsewhere. I'm not actually arguing about whether Kaidan is actually more/less "manly" than Vega, as I generally don't care for gender roles - but I do know that society and entertainment usually don't create/envision bi male characters like Vega could be. And I also know that Kaidan is often stereotyped as being unmanly or "acting" gay/bisexual because he's allegedly sensitive or what have you.

It's true that Vega's still - if the script is to go by - a very vocal admirer of women, but something of that sort is pretty much a given due to the unchanging trend I mentioned.

I really don't ship any characters period. I do prefer Vega to Kaidan though in terms of getting a different character archetype for M/M romance.

[Jazinto]

I hope Bioware didn't think: "Oh, look at all the people saying Kaidan is so gay and the supporters of same-sex content, they all want Kaiden, let's give 'em Kaidan." It's a bit like: "Here you go, take FemSheps old toy, while FemShep gets a new one. You know the oldest one, the one you were forbidden to play with before. You can have it now. We'll just paint it blue for you. And you still have to share it with FemShep." It's ridiculous, almost cute ...Apart from being utterly disrespectful to actual gay fans again.

[shepskisaac]

Luca Stern wrote...

I hope Bioware didn't think: "Oh, look at all the people saying Kaidan is so gay and the supporters of same-sex content, they all want Kaiden, let's give 'em Kaidan." It's a bit like: "Here you go, take FemSheps old toy, while FemShep gets a new one. You know the oldest one, the one you were forbidden to play with before. You can have it now. We'll just paint it blue for you. And you still have to share it with FemShep." It's ridiculous, almost cute ...Apart from being utterly disrespectful to actual gay fans again.

lololol you really went to great lenghts to twist Kaidan being potentially available for gay romance as a 'desrespectful to gay fans' thing

[Jazinto]

Did you even read it? To be clear: I said if Bioware decided to make Kaidan bisexual, because players said he was acting gay anyway, that would be disrespectful to actual gay men, since Bioware wouldn't just go along with stereotypes, but also reinforce stereotypes in the people, who suggested this in the first place: "Ah, you see! I told you he was gay!"

Which was a reaction to:

Collider wrote...

And I also know that Kaidan is often stereotyped as being unmanly or "acting" gay/bisexual because he's allegedly sensitive or what have you.

Modifié par Luca Stern, 06 février 2012 - 06:54 .

[Clayless]

Really hope Vega is.

If Kaidan is the only choice then my Shepard is saving the galaxy with blue balls.

[shepskisaac]

Luca Stern wrote...

To be clear: I said if Bioware decided to make Kaidan bisexual, because players said he was acting gay anyway, that would be disrespectful to actual gay men, since Bioware wouldn't just go along with stereotypes, but also reinforce stereotypes in the people, who suggested this in the first place: "Ah, you see! I told you he was gay!"

And the rest of your post about FemShep's old toys was about... ?

[Ryzaki]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Really hope Vega is.

If Kaidan is the only choice then my Shepard is saving the galaxy with blue balls.

Thankfully there's Steve or my Shep would be in the same situation.

[Blacklash93]

It looks like BSN just had another one of its S/S spasms again.

I'm sure Kaiser Shepard and his friends are all patting themselves on the back for ripping on us like they always do. They should look in a mirror if they're talking about immaturity. They do nothing to contribute to this forum other than flame-bait and throw insults and Bioware and other posters.

*looks at KS's profile*

Yep, "Likes" all around. Such a shame all their opinions stem from prejudice and bias.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 06 février 2012 - 08:01 .

[katerinafm]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that revealing that Kaidan is bi in ME3 is a smart choice. I mean, Kaidan already gets left behind on Virmire by most players (we are the exceptions apparently, since I keep reading 'Kaidan, also known as the guy that you killed on Virmire' in every single article I read), so if they make him an s/s choice in ME3 that would mean that most straight male players wouldn't even have that option in the game, and that way Bioware would avoid some rage (not that they'll be able to avoid fan rage either way but still).

[bigbrowncows]

It'd be great if Steve and all the stuff in the leak was a red herring and when the game comes out the s/s options will be Udina, Joker, a random Hannar, the Rachni Queen's son (providing you saved her) and a random human called Dave who runs a trinket shop in the Citadel.

Best. Romances. Ever.

[bigbrowncows]

katerinafm wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I believe that revealing that Kaidan is bi in ME3 is a smart choice. I mean, Kaidan already gets left behind on Virmire by most players (we are the exceptions apparently, since I keep reading 'Kaidan, also known as the guy that you killed on Virmire' in every single article I read), so if they make him an s/s choice in ME3 that would mean that most straight male players wouldn't even have that option in the game, and that way Bioware would avoid some rage (not that they'll be able to avoid fan rage either way but still).

Thats a pretty interesting theory actually...

[Collider]

katerinafm wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I believe that revealing that Kaidan is bi in ME3 is a smart choice. I mean, Kaidan already gets left behind on Virmire by most players (we are the exceptions apparently, since I keep reading 'Kaidan, also known as the guy that you killed on Virmire' in every single article I read), so if they make him an s/s choice in ME3 that would mean that most straight male players wouldn't even have that option in the game, and that way Bioware would avoid some rage (not that they'll be able to avoid fan rage either way but still).

Alternatively they could simply have gay male romances/flirting be completely optional and voluntary, like they seem to be doing with Steve. That is, if they really have to pander to the over sensitive straight male crowd.

[katerinafm]

^ Because something being optional has stopped fans from raging before?

[shepskisaac]

Or, they will have Kaidan be available for gay romance because they want to, or because many fans asked for it since the day ME1 was released, or because they would've done it in ME1 if it wasn't for time constraints and use the opportunity to do it now. There are tons of reasons, I doubt it's all about "but what will the hypocritical straight guys say?"