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[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

@ Elite: It was meant for ME 3,
and yes highcastle i know its a grey area, i just prefer to have the options in the game even as toggles if it means they are at least there.

as for my DA 2 remark, a system like that of DA 2 for ME 3 would be great, i just think it still needed/needs some tweaking for ME 3, cause the game assumes by jsut being friendly you want to romance the partymember, but enough of that of topic stuff

similar system great, but with improvements and a few changes

[78stonewobble]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I'm relatively sick of seeing bisexual characters being seen as lesser in comparison to straight and gay ones. It's not enough that they're willing to engage in a relationship with you, for some reason they are lessened because they're not on one side of the line or the other.

I can see it from your point of view but on the other hand it's even rarer for a game to have a male/male relationship... Hmm I kinda view it as a "bigger challenge" to get m/m ingame than a bi. I hope society has moved enough to allow a true gay relationship.





Regarding religion. Ew... it's one of the places where I feel myself going quite discriminating. I can't help it... Whenever I hear people say they believe in "god" I have to ask myself. "Well where do we put grown people that believe in eg. santa clause (also a being with no physical proof to his existence)". That thought just pops up automatically. Well it's not like I wanna lock them up for real offcourse... but damn that analogy is persistent with me.

[78stonewobble]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Note: I am only addressing full LI's not lesser romances like Kelly/Juhani, flings, non-romanceable NPC's etc.

Dear madam you misunderstand me, though I see how easily that could be done.  It's fine to want, even advocate for a gay only romance though I neither see it happening nor see the benefit of limiting any character in such a way.  What's good for the gander is good for the goose and all that. If the character was really cool and popular it might do some good for certain privileged persons to see what it's like being on the other side of the equation but there would be too many friendly casualties in such a vindictive lesson for my tastes. 

The subset of people I was particularly addressing (this I think was not clear in my original post) are the ones who say they are supportive, but use the dreaded "R" word when there is even a hint of opening up past LI's.  They then trot out the argument that they want a mix of straight/bi/gay LI's because it's the other dreaded "R" word.  We know from Bioware's own mouth that the chances of gay only LI's might as well be nil for the foreseeable future purely based on cost analysis.  If we are to get any slice of that choices pie it seem we must always have the smaller choices/piece of pie to keep them happy. And that is why I find the motives of that and related subsets to be under suspicion.

R being the "Retcon" word here?


Well I truely just would prefer that the existing characters just continuing as they have been...

That just makes way more sense to me than changing without any story explanation.

I would have preferred a decent mix of straight/bi/gay Li's from the start of the game series. In that case I would have been here whining about not changing them back and forth.

I can perfectly well live with all Li's becoming bi in ME3. I just don't think it's an elegant or believable solution that will kinda irk my aestetic perception of the game/universe. It will be a small problem for me and nothing that will  in any way affect my decision to buy the game.

And I think it's a shame that there is no room for truely gay/lesbian relationships in todays games.


Well I hope I'm no longer under "suspicion". 

Atleast I don't feel I have an agenda by having this oppinion. Well... Other than my uttering my personal preferences towards a game I like.  

[Genly]

Abispa wrote...

@ Genly -- Yeah, about two dozen pages a day or so. Thankfully, MOST of the people here have been okay to chat with, even when we disagree.

So I figured, the thread is not locked, heh.

Things would be easier, though, if you'd all just agree with me, dammit.

I don't remember who I was supposed to agree with or not, but I'm pretty flexible.

I have my favorites (Kaidan and Joker), but I wouldn't mind if we only get one or two new bi characters. I don't think they will make all LIs bi, not because of "retconning" claims, but I think  there's too many LIs already right now to create the S/S options while still making the romances interesting and unique. Even though all LIs bi would make most people here happy, I assume.

That said, M/M Kaidan and/or Joker, please!

[Velissia Fynold]

IsaacShep wrote...
The explanation is very simple and if you ever romanced Liara as a FemShep you would know it. Kaidan assumes Shep is straight so he hits on FemShep because he thinks has a chance with her but doesn't hit on ManShep since he thinks he has no chance with him. If/when FemShep gets involved with Liara, he says it loud that he didn't realize Shep preffered girls and makes it clear he wouldn't hit on Shep had he knew that.

I never got through with romancing Liara, as my Shep is a pretty straight girl (and I also had the feeling that the f/f romance in the first game was just for little boys, having 2 girls playing with each other ), that's true, but I tried the start of it just to see what happens and that doesn't explain why he did not hit on Male Shep (only explanation in generell is the world around Shep is still as ours, and BI as well as s/s is still not accepted)

Also, If FemShep blocks him right away and doesn't immediatly hit on Liara, Kaidan speaks out his interest for her (Liara); and that he does on a male shep also I was told. Also in the 2 years you are gone, he hits on another woman (if you romanced him before), so he has a tendency towards woman, but I see your point. It's all up to once imagination, so he was just shy around mshep

[ElitePinecone]

Velissia Fynold wrote...

I never got through with romancing Liara, as my Shep is a pretty straight girl (and I also had the feeling that the f/f romance in the first game was just for little boys, having 2 girls playing with each other ), that's true, but I tried the start of it just to see what happens and that doesn't explain why he did not hit on Male Shep (only explanation in generell is the world around Shep is still as ours, and BI as well as s/s is still not accepted)

Also, If FemShep blocks him right away and doesn't immediatly hit on Liara, Kaidan speaks out his interest for her (Liara); and that he does on a male shep also I was told. Also in the 2 years you are gone, he hits on another woman (if you romanced him before), so he has a tendency towards woman, but I see your point. It's all up to once imagination, so he was just shy around mshep

The Liara romance actually gets quite touching in ME2, especially the Shadow Broker DLC. It's up there with the most moving moments in a video game that I can remember. 

Regarding Kaidan in ME2, his letter to femShep mentions a 'doctor' of unspecified gender. We can assume it's a woman, though 

Kaidan's actual line about Liara was "She's a very... interesting lady. Not to my, uh, tastes, but then again I never claimed to be big on alien culture."

[78stonewobble]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Velissia Fynold wrote...

I never got through with romancing Liara, as my Shep is a pretty straight girl (and I also had the feeling that the f/f romance in the first game was just for little boys, having 2 girls playing with each other ), that's true, but I tried the start of it just to see what happens and that doesn't explain why he did not hit on Male Shep (only explanation in generell is the world around Shep is still as ours, and BI as well as s/s is still not accepted)

Also, If FemShep blocks him right away and doesn't immediatly hit on Liara, Kaidan speaks out his interest for her (Liara); and that he does on a male shep also I was told. Also in the 2 years you are gone, he hits on another woman (if you romanced him before), so he has a tendency towards woman, but I see your point. It's all up to once imagination, so he was just shy around mshep

The Liara romance actually gets quite touching in ME2, especially the Shadow Broker DLC. It's up there with the most moving moments in a video game that I can remember. 

Regarding Kaidan in ME2, his letter to femShep mentions a 'doctor' of unspecified gender. We can assume it's a woman, though 

Kaidan's actual line about Liara was "She's a very... interesting lady. Not to my, uh, tastes, but then again I never claimed to be big on alien culture."

Shadowbroker added alot to the Liara character (though she's not necessarily my type)... Good DLC 

[Subject Alpha]

 Did somebody say....
JOKER?


If not then I simply must have Misheard 

Back on topic, I belive that if people are still saying religion is a reason why Ash shouldn't be Bi, they should drop it.
Really. 

Disclaimer: Image isn't mine, stole it from the Joker thread. thought some of you would appreciate it....

[Son of Illusive Man]

Legion lmao. I don't think that one counts.

[Cathey]

I'd love for the VS to be bisexual, along with a new male and new female character. They don't need to be squadmates, of course. Might be fun having Shep be involved with someone who isn't on the ship.

As for the specific gay/lesbian characters, maybe BW could take an idea from Obsidian. Anyone who has played F:NV will have seen the 'confirmed bachelor' and 'cherchez la femme' perks. Using those it is completely up to the player if their character is straight, bisexual or gay. If you don't want it, don't choose it.

Maybe not for ME3 but in future BW games it might be a good feature.

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

quick question: VS means Virmire squadmate, right?

[LouTenant]

Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...

quick question: VS means Virmire squadmate, right?

Virmire Survivor. 

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

ah okay, same meaning in my book, thanks for clarifiying;)

[PMC65]

I must play my games differently, but having a character bisexual only means that they can "be romanced by Shepard of any gender". Not that they are roaming the galaxy hooking up with this & that.

You create part of the story, so say (insert character here) becomes available to both Shepards. You can play that he/she is a gay character in that game. Plenty of gay people have had straight sex in their past .. as well as been married and had children. So even if they talk about the opposite sex (like Kaidan) it does not mean that they still date the opposite sex. 

Or does it ruin it for you that somewhere someone else has (insert character here) hooking up with the opposite sex? That is the straight sides complaint on the characters hooking up with the same sex. Bisexual characters  just mean that they are open to the hero for romance. Not into gay characters anymore that I am into straight characters ... let me play my hero with his/her love choice. After all, I spent the $$$$ for the game.  

[Jademoon121]

Subject Alpha wrote...

 Did somebody say....
JOKER?

(snip)

If not then I simply must have Misheard 

Back on topic, I belive that if people are still saying religion is a reason why Ash shouldn't be Bi, they should drop it.
Really. 

Disclaimer: Image isn't mine, stole it from the Joker thread. thought some of you would appreciate it....

I do appreciate it. Some people find snarkyness to be very attractive...and beards. Kaidan, Joker, or Vega...I'm really liking those odds.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 18 juin 2011 - 04:21 .

[Abispa]

Not every character in Bioware games should be bisexual, just the awesome people.

@ Jademoon121 -- This thread was warned by Bioware earlier NOT to keep reposting images and "snip" them out of quoting other people's posts. Not that I mind, but I'm just saying.

Modifié par Abispa, 18 juin 2011 - 04:11 .

[Jademoon121]

Abispa wrote...

Not every character in Bioware games should be bisexual, just the awesome people.

@ Jademoon121 -- This thread was warned by Bioware earlier NOT to keep reposting images and "snip" them out of quoting other people's posts. Not that I mind, but I'm just saying.

Crap! My bad. I'll edit right away.

[Maugrim]

I know we've had similar polls but not in this exact configuration.  Basically if we were for sure getting one and only one previous full LI of both genders to be open to bisexual romances which one would be your preferred choice?  Vote here:

Female
Male

Feel free to pass it around the fan threads and such

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 18 juin 2011 - 07:24 .

[danteliveson]

I might try the Tali romance but thats it.

[jtav]

Do you know what I'd like? The opportunity to express interest in any LI. Let them turn me down because they don't swing that way, but I'd like some of my Shepard's unrequited loves to exist outside my head.

[shepskisaac]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I know we've had similar polls but not in this exact configuration.  Basically if we were for sure getting one and only one previous full LI of both genders to be open to bisexual romances which one would be your preferred choice?  Vote here:

Female
Male

Feel free to pass it around the fan threads and such

KAAAAAAAAAAAAIDANNNNNNNNNN!!!!

[AngelicMachinery]

Obvious Jack is obvious.

[shepskisaac]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Obvious Jack is obvious.

Female poll's gonna be really interesting

[AngelicMachinery]

IsaacShep wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Obvious Jack is obvious.

Female poll's gonna be really interesting

I expect it to be rather fairly split,  the female love interests are more varied and seemed for the most part better designed.  None of the ME2 males interests me all that much and it looks like for the most part the M/M fans agree with me...  what with their love kaidan.  

Personally though,  I'm surprised that Tali hasn't received more votes.