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[shepskisaac]

RomanDark wrote...



I mean who wouldn't like this guy! 

IKR?  I like how he looks, and don't even care THAT much anymore if it's CC or not. He looks good period

Modifié par IsaacShep, 11 février 2012 - 03:08 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Olive Oomph wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

no clue how to post tweets, so copypasting it is

@Criz_Zone
@BioWare @MassEffect will we get s/s-Shep Weekend (Saturday & Sunday)? m/m-Shep Monday? gay-Shep Giovedi? plz twitpic.com/8ies43

@MassEffect
@criz_zone Keep your eyes peeled on our facebook page for the latest announcements!


let's see what they have in store for us

Hee hee! I actually declared today to be #GayShepSaturday on my SU this morning, but something official might be really nice!

I took that response as more: "No. Oh, look. Facebook."

I don't mind waiting for leaks or whatever to learn more about the s/s options really as long as the content exists and is good quality.

[shepskisaac]

Personally I don't believe there'll be any s/s announcement/news from BW lol :/

[KillTheLastRomantic]

IsaacShep wrote...

Personally I don't believe there'll be any s/s announcement/news from BW lol :/

I certainly don't think there will be a Big Gay Trailer. Although that would be hilarious. I just hope if there's some sort of romance feature or announcement they don't skim over the s/s stuff like with ME2.

[ElitePinecone]

SolidBeast wrote...

I know, I meant kick her off the Normandy.
I haven't heard about the bad things yet... any way to avoid them without having to put up with her presence?

Oh no, I meant Bad Things Happen to Allers, not to Shep. 

As far as I know there are no consequences for not accepting her, except the content you miss (some reports, etc). 

[Game_Fan_85]

Tietj wrote...

Really, guys and gals, some of us are starting to sound a bit ungrateful... Bioware has given us a well-developed, handsome, masculine, and exclusively s/s love interest, and we have people set to go into "rage mode" because we don't like his hair or his skin is too dark or because he may be the "only" one available to s/s? I'm not a Bioware apologists by any stretch--I was among the first to call them out for hypocrisy over the lack of m/m in ME1--but it seems to me we should be saying "thank you" and supporting the company. These are not "crumbs" that we should be content with, and the more we whine about how unsatisfied we are with what is, really, a very nice gift we are being given, the more disinclined Bioware will be to listen to us.

So thank you, Bioware, for everything you have done for us. Bioware and Rockstar are the two companies brave enough to include male s/s content and those of us saying that they love to screw over gay people are only doing us a disservice.

I agree, at least they offer SOMETHING and it is not a one time deal.  You should not forget aout Lionhead though, Fable III not only has gay marriage but adoption as well.  I don't think we'll see anything that progressive from a US based company anytime soon. 

I'm curious, when did Rockstar ever have male s/s content?

[Collider]

I'm curious, when did Rockstar ever have male s/s content?

Bully had M/M options.

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

I know, I meant kick her off the Normandy.
I haven't heard about the bad things yet... any way to avoid them without having to put up with her presence?

Oh no, I meant Bad Things Happen to Allers, not to Shep. 

As far as I know there are no consequences for not accepting her, except the content you miss (some reports, etc). 

Oooh okay. Good then.

[SolidBeast]

ElitePinecone wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

I know, I meant kick her off the Normandy.
I haven't heard about the bad things yet... any way to avoid them without having to put up with her presence?

Oh no, I meant Bad Things Happen to Allers, not to Shep. 

As far as I know there are no consequences for not accepting her, except the content you miss (some reports, etc). 

In that case, excellent.

But we'll see. Maybe she surprises me.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

I'm curious, when did Rockstar ever have male s/s content?

Bully had M/M options.

Heh. I had forgotten about that.

[shepskisaac]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

I'm curious, when did Rockstar ever have male s/s content?

Bully. There's at least 1 boy in every clique Jimmy can make-out with, give presents etc: www.youtube.com/watch

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Modifié par IsaacShep, 11 février 2012 - 03:43 .

[ElitePinecone]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Really, guys and gals, some of us are starting to sound a bit ungrateful... Bioware has given us a well-developed, handsome, masculine, and exclusively s/s love interest, and we have people set to go into "rage mode" because we don't like his hair or his skin is too dark or because he may be the "only" one available to s/s? I'm not a Bioware apologists by any stretch--I was among the first to call them out for hypocrisy over the lack of m/m in ME1--but it seems to me we should be saying "thank you" and supporting the company. These are not "crumbs" that we should be content with, and the more we whine about how unsatisfied we are with what is, really, a very nice gift we are being given, the more disinclined Bioware will be to listen to us.

So thank you, Bioware, for everything you have done for us. Bioware and Rockstar are the two companies brave enough to include male s/s content and those of us saying that they love to screw over gay people are only doing us a disservice.

I agree, at least they offer SOMETHING and it is not a one time deal.  You should not forget aout Lionhead though, Fable III not only has gay marriage but adoption as well.  I don't think we'll see anything that progressive from a US based company anytime soon. 

I'm curious, when did Rockstar ever have male s/s content?

I get slightly frustrated when people hold up Fable as a fantastic example of companies doing lgbt stuff. 

Yes, it's awesome - but it's also about two lines of recorded dialogue and some programming tweaks. A 'marriage' with any one of a dozen cardboard-cutout characters who are pretty much indistiguishable with each other, an 'adoption' of a child that doesn't actually have any personality. It fits the genre of games Fable is trying to fill, but it's about as emotionally engaging as, well, a random NPC married to a player character. 

Bioware's games might take twenty times the effort, but isn't it much more engaging if you're talking to someone with a backstory, motivations, goals and a personality instead of [random shop owner #45]? 

Rockstar had a couple of gay characters in their GTA games.

[Game_Fan_85]

It looks like BioWare may have performed a miracle and managed to get decent looking facial animation out of the crappy old Unreal3 engine.  It may look better in stills than moving though, as Utada Hikaru once said, I'll have to "Wait&See".

I just hope I don't see that godawful mega creepy Shepard "smile" fom ME2 again *shiver*

[Collider]

So far as I know in the GTA games, there are no M/M options, just gay characters.
Their representation is a mix of gay jokes and/or something more progressive.

I haven't played the GTA IV DLC, but there's a mission in GTA IV where you protect a gay man from some insane violent homophobe. I thought that was kind of neat.

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I get slightly frustrated when people hold up Fable as a fantastic example of companies doing lgbt stuff. 

Yes, it's awesome - but it's also about two lines of recorded dialogue and some programming tweaks. A 'marriage' with any one of a dozen cardboard-cutout characters who are pretty much indistiguishable with each other, an 'adoption' of a child that doesn't actually have any personality. It fits the genre of games Fable is trying to fill, but it's about as emotionally engaging as, well, a random NPC married to a player character. 

Bioware's games might take twenty times the effort, but isn't it much more engaging if you're talking to someone with a backstory, motivations, goals and a personality instead of [random shop owner #45]?

Of course BW romances have much more content. But at the core, the concept fo romances in Fable/Skyrim and BioWare games is the same. LIs don't give a crap about player character's looks, morality, actions or gender/sexual orientation. You just give them few presents/pick few right lines and you access the romance. Romances are part of character customization, bonus content accessible for all player character. Except for sexual orientation in case of BioWare games of course. At least Lionhead and Bethesda were consistient with their approach. They didn't single-out gender/sexual orientation as a sole 'realistic' restriction from accessing romances. BioWare did that.

Again, yes, romances in BioWare games are much more developed, but they are NOT uber-realistic content some people make them out to be. Not in the player's ability to access them. In that, they're the same as Fable/Skyrim romances, with the difference that for whatever reason, BioWare singled out sexual orientation.

[Collider]

There are some things that either end or stop Bioware romances from happening. It just isn't complex.

[Game_Fan_85]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I get slightly frustrated when people hold up Fable as a fantastic example of companies doing lgbt stuff. 

Yes, it's awesome - but it's also about two lines of recorded dialogue and some programming tweaks. A 'marriage' with any one of a dozen cardboard-cutout characters who are pretty much indistiguishable with each other, an 'adoption' of a child that doesn't actually have any personality. It fits the genre of games Fable is trying to fill, but it's about as emotionally engaging as, well, a random NPC married to a player character. 

Bioware's games might take twenty times the effort, but isn't it much more engaging if you're talking to someone with a backstory, motivations, goals and a personality instead of [random shop owner #45]? 

Rockstar had a couple of gay characters in their GTA games.

I'm not saying that Fable's content is great in that department, it isn't compared to BioWare and the like, Fable isn't exactly set up to have deep relationships or anything.  I just think the fact they put things like that into the game was good.  It could be worse, it could be like Skyrim. "Hey you have an amulet, let's get married".

IsaacShep wrote...

Bully. There's at least 1 boy in every clique Jimmy can make-out with, give presents etc: www.youtube.com/watch

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I forgot all about Bully, I LOVED that game!  I am still annoyed that I was never able to finish it to 100% because the last music class was bugged and would not recognise my button inputs.  I have the Japanese 360 version I was never sure it was just that version or if they were all like it.

The only gay stuff I remember GTA was the random "Village People" hanging around the docks in Vice City that would yell "in the navy!" as you walked past, that always cracked me up.  But then again, that was the last GTA I played.  I own GTA IV and the DLC disc but onlly played an hour or so of Gay Tony and Lost and the Damned before stopping and never touching them again.

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

There are some things that either end or stop Bioware romances from happening. It just isn't complex.

Hooking up with other LIs or saying not nice things to a LI does that. Looks, moral actions & choices from elsewhere in the game don't influence that in a bit. Only Samara had a different reaction to a Renegade Shep. And she's just an easter-egg LI. Every other character doesn't care a bit if you've done the most horrible/questionable things.

[Criz]

IsaacShep wrote...

Personally I don't believe there'll be any s/s announcement/news from BW lol :/

actually I don't think that they do something specific for s/s content because they may include it in the game, but I'm not sure they want to drag it into the spotlight because we know how some homophobes react *sigh*
I was hoping for an update on romance options in general though and in the wake of that we get the info on s/s


ironically enough I wish they'd go further and make romances only available when you behave in a certain way, it would make the romances more real, but you know that the complain company would enter soon afer in the "I wanted to romance so and so, but had to say this and that, how dare you"
- it's what we planned for MEC though, let's hope it stays in there

can't stop wondering if Anders just liked my default-looking Hawke because of the beard ... curse you, Karl's beard!

[SolidBeast]

Criz-Zone wrote..

ironically enough I wish they'd go further and make romances only available when you behave in a certain way, it would make the romances more real, but you know that the complain company would enter soon afer in the "I wanted to romance so and so, but had to say this and that, how dare you"
- it's what we planned for MEC though, let's hope it stays in there

I have to admit, I'd be pissed too if that happened, because it would reduce my options considerably. I would get to have a romance only with my paragon characters. And that's roughly 10% of my playthroughs (this is assuming I get to only romance Steve if I'm a paragon, since he seems pretty paragon-ish to me).

Sometimes you just have to disregard realism for what's actually enjoyable.
For example, Shepard being incapacitated after two shots would be more realistic, but would it be fun to play?

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[ElitePinecone]

Shallowness for just a second:

Kaidan had better be s/s, because they did something amazing with that character/facial model in ME3.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Criz-Zone wrote...

ironically enough I wish they'd go further and make romances only available when you behave in a certain way, it would make the romances more real, but you know that the complain company would enter soon afer in the "I wanted to romance so and so, but had to say this and that, how dare you"
- it's what we planned for MEC though, let's hope it stays in there

Characters that change their opinion of the player character based on how the player character behaves? Whoa man let's not set our standards too high.

[Collider]

DA:O: Most choices are taken into account with approval.
King Alistair dumps the warden if you didn't do his personal mission in a certain way.

ME2:
Jacob - Trying to play psychologist makes him dump you.
Miranda - Siding with Jack ends or prevents the romance.
Garrus - If you didn't recruit him in ME1, he isn't an option in ME2.
Jack - Siding with Miranda or doing the casual sex scene
Tali - Revealing the evidence or siding with Legion ends or prevents the romance.
Thane - Failing to find Kolyat prevents the romance.
All: Not doing their loyalty mission.

Gender is not the only restriction to accessing the romances, even for the M/F only options. Not all of it's a matter of just saying not nice things, either.

[Collider]

Using total paragon/renegade as romance restrictions is just a bad idea altogether.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Collider wrote...

DA:O: Most choices are taken into account with approval.
King Alistair dumps the warden if you didn't do his personal mission in a certain way.

ME2:
Jacob - Trying to play psychologist makes him dump you.
Miranda - Siding with Jack ends or prevents the romance.
Garrus - If you didn't recruit him in ME1, he isn't an option in ME2.
Jack - Siding with Miranda or doing the casual sex scene
Tali - Revealing the evidence or siding with Legion ends or prevents the romance.
Thane - Failing to find Kolyat prevents the romance.
All: Not doing their loyalty mission.

Gender is not the only restriction to accessing the romances, even for the M/F only options. Not all of it's a matter of just saying not nice things, either.

Whoa man you're blowing my mind. You're telling me that in these "RPG" things there are "consequences" for these "choice" things you make?