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[Game_Fan_85]

Collider wrote...

If you turn on and kill Justice in the fade when doing the quest to help the elf boy by freeing him or making him tranquil in DA2, it kills any romance option with Anders.

[Collider]

One of my problems with the all bi approach is that it can essentially render the romances gender neutral. Such that it's almost pointless to romance them as a specific gender.

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Shallowness for just a second:

Kaidan had better be s/s, because they did something amazing with that character/facial model in ME3.

He has new head texture, they talked about it in Art of Mass Effect book (old texture was 7 years old already). I love it, his hair actually looks like curly thick hair now. Though I'm convinced they they took pics of Casey Hudson's hair lol

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

ME2:
Jacob - Trying to play psychologist makes him dump you.
Miranda - Siding with Jack ends or prevents the romance.
Garrus - If you didn't recruit him in ME1, he isn't an option in ME2.
Jack - Siding with Miranda or doing the casual sex scene
Tali - Revealing the evidence or siding with Legion ends or prevents the romance.
Thane - Failing to find Kolyat prevents the romance.
All: Not doing their loyalty mission.

These are all "Shep did ME wrong!" kind of things. Which one of these LIs dumps Shep or won't hook up with Shep if you killed Rachni species? Or killed the Council? Or both? None of them.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 11 février 2012 - 04:34 .

[Game_Fan_85]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Shallowness for just a second:

Kaidan had better be s/s, because they did something amazing with that character/facial model in ME3.

I think someone at BioWare beat him with the hottie stick.  It looks like they got rid of that weird, poofy (I don't mean *that* type of poofy) Danny Zuko hair which helps for me.

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Shallowness for just a second:

Kaidan had better be s/s, because they did something amazing with that character/facial model in ME3.

He has new head texture, they talked about it in Art of Mass Effect book (old texture was 7 years old already). I love it, his hair actually looks like curly thick hair now. Though I'm convinced they they took pics of Casey Hudson's hair lol

Oh, my book is still on the way - I'll be interested to read it. 

Yeah, those characters did need a head texture upgrade. It was beginning to show even in ME2. 

[Collider]

IsaacShep wrote...

Collider wrote...
ME2:
Jacob - Trying to play psychologist makes him dump you.
Miranda - Siding with Jack ends or prevents the romance.
Garrus - If you didn't recruit him in ME1, he isn't an option in ME2.
Jack - Siding with Miranda or doing the casual sex scene
Tali - Revealing the evidence or siding with Legion ends or prevents the romance.
Thane - Failing to find Kolyat prevents the romance.
All: Not doing their loyalty mission.

These are all "Shep did ME wrong!" kind of things. Which one of these LIs dumps Shep or won't hook up with Shep if you killed Rachni species? Or killed the Council? Or both? None of them.

Like I said, it's there, but it's not complex.
It looking like ME3 is going to be better about this. Keeping the Collector Base affects your relationship with the VS.

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

Like I said, it's there, but it's not complex.

It's not there at all really though. Dumping/not hooking up based on doing something wrong to a LI is the equivalent of not giving a good enough gift to romanceable NPCs in Fable.

Collider wrote...
It looking like ME3 is going to be better about this. Keeping the Collector Base affects your relationship with the VS.

In what way exactly? Not really the romance. They don't have "I like you but the horrible stuff you did makes me don't want to romance you" kind of lines.

[Collider]

In what way exactly? Not really the romance. They don't have "I like you but the horrible stuff you did makes me don't want to romance you" kind of lines.

At one point they can refuse to join your ship, probably if they don't like/trust you enough. Presumably keeping the Collector Base or not is a factor.

[Game_Fan_85]

IsaacShep wrote...
He has new head texture, they talked about it in Art of Mass Effect book (old texture was 7 years old already). I love it, his hair actually looks like curly thick hair now. Though I'm convinced they they took pics of Casey Hudson's hair lol

Are there any spoilers in the book?  Mine will be here Monday and I don't know if I should open it.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 11 février 2012 - 04:45 .

[SolidBeast]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Shallowness for just a second:

Kaidan had better be s/s, because they did something amazing with that character/facial model in ME3.

Yes, he looks incredible. Disappointment +100%

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...
Characters that change
their opinion of the player character based on how the player character
behaves? Whoa man let's not set our standards too high.

That's not a stretch, and has been done already to some extent in both DA and ME. See, I liked how Anders turned on me if I sided with the templars. But what made that fitting was the fact that his character was basically  "the cause of mages" as he himself says, and a lot of the story revolved around that.  There was also equal choice for everyone  in that every character was bisexual (and pretty much opposite, so if you had significant difference in opinion with Anders, you could still choose someone who had opposite points of view).
While in Mass Effect, there are things at stake that are much bigger than individual characters' feelings and sometimes, renegade decisions must be made. I don't want to be locked out of already too little content because of my way of playing and decision-making. Perhaps that makes me shallow, but I'd like to be able to talk about my reasons with the LI or something instead of having to metagame / change my alignment.
Sigh.
Forever. Alone.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 février 2012 - 04:51 .

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

At one point they can refuse to join your ship, probably if they don't like/trust you enough. Presumably keeping the Collector Base or not is a factor.

I only saw Kaidan having such option and we don't know if it made it into the final game. Plus, I've never seen them reference the Collector Base in anyway, don't know where that theory comes from.

And finally, even if it happens, that's still not about romance. This is about the character in general.

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Are there any spoilers in the book?  Mine will be here Monday and I don't know if I should open it.

Huge spoilers. Not joking. If you don't want major surprises spoiled, don't even open it.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 11 février 2012 - 04:53 .

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Are there any spoilers in the book?  Mine will be here Monday and I don't know if I should open it.

Huge spoilers. Not joking. If you don't want major surprises spoiled, don't even open it.

Gah, really?

Why in the name of Atheme would they be releasing the art book three weeks before the game if it spoils everything?

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Gah, really?

Why in the name of Atheme would they be releasing the art book three weeks before the game if it spoils everything?

It pretty much happens with every big game that get an artbook released. Dunno why all devs/publishers allow it to happen though

[Game_Fan_85]

IsaacShep wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Are there any spoilers in the book?  Mine will be here Monday and I don't know if I should open it.

Huge spoilers. Not joking. If you don't want major surprises spoiled, don't even open it.

Thanks, I guess I wont even bother opening the amazon box then

[SolidBeast]

I'm starting to wonder how wise it is to even linger on the forums, since the book is leaking left and right. Read some horrible, horrible spoilers last night looking for info on that sexy bastard Kaidan.

[PMC65]

SolidBeast wrote...

I'm starting to wonder how wise it is to even linger on the forums, since the book is leaking left and right. Read some horrible, horrible spoilers last night looking for info on that sexy bastard Kaidan.

First ... Love your avatar!

Second ... Right there with you. I was gonna wait to dissapear when the demo was released on the 14th but now that everyone seems to have access to it and this book has spoilers (gah! Can't open it yet.) ... I'm gonna have to go dark.

[SolidBeast]

PMC65 wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

I'm starting to wonder how wise it is to even linger on the forums, since the book is leaking left and right. Read some horrible, horrible spoilers last night looking for info on that sexy bastard Kaidan.

First ... Love your avatar!

Second ... Right there with you. I was gonna wait to dissapear when the demo was released on the 14th but now that everyone seems to have access to it and this book has spoilers (gah! Can't open it yet.) ... I'm gonna have to go dark.

Thanks! :happy:

I'm going to be cautious, but I'm still sticking around for those TLK files, in case someone figures out if the VS are s/s available.

[Cuddlezarro]

SolidBeast wrote...

I'm starting to wonder how wise it is to even linger on the forums, since the book is leaking left and right. Read some horrible, horrible spoilers last night looking for info on that sexy bastard Kaidan.

some one spoiled what happened to legion to me last night and it wasnt even in a thread that warrented spoilers... ugh

[Criz]

I don't mean allowing romance only to happen if you're the purest of paragons or something, but maybe leaning towards the paragon-ish side?
or make it as in DA2 with the friend-mance and the rival-mance, I have to admit I liked that, it doesn't have to have huge changes and all, but be a little different, bring a different dynamic to the romance
where they like the character to some extend, but are at odds with some of their actions and try to make you change ... why should it only work with the player's charm/intimidate

and I tend to 'kill' Anders/Justice in the Fade all the time and can still romance him.
You might need to pick the dialog option about it being a ruse though, not entirely sure however.

[ElitePinecone]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

I'm starting to wonder how wise it is to even linger on the forums, since the book is leaking left and right. Read some horrible, horrible spoilers last night looking for info on that sexy bastard Kaidan.

some one spoiled what happened to legion to me last night and it wasnt even in a thread that warrented spoilers... ugh

If you want to avoid spoilers, I'd go dark as soon as you can. 

Even apart from trolls who post spoilers just to mess with people, *a lot* of excited/angry/interested fans are going to post on the forums about the fate of their favourite characters or races.

It's going to be incredibly hard to prevent huge spoilers about massive game events. 

[Abispa]

IsaacShep wrote...

Collider wrote...

ME2:
Jacob - Trying to play psychologist makes him dump you.
Miranda - Siding with Jack ends or prevents the romance.
Garrus - If you didn't recruit him in ME1, he isn't an option in ME2.
Jack - Siding with Miranda or doing the casual sex scene
Tali - Revealing the evidence or siding with Legion ends or prevents the romance.
Thane - Failing to find Kolyat prevents the romance.
All: Not doing their loyalty mission.

These are all "Shep did ME wrong!" kind of things. Which one of these LIs dumps Shep or won't hook up with Shep if you killed Rachni species? Or killed the Council? Or both? None of them.

Pretty much. With a Bioware LI, it only matters how you treat the LI, not how you act in general. A good two shoes character will dump you if you are mean to him/her, but will stick with you if you burn down an orphanage with the children inside. DA:2, without DA:O's ability to game the system with gifts, had them turn you down due to your behavior, and they could turn on you. Still not perfect, but for now it is still the most "realistic" LI system this game-system generation in Bioware. I'm curious to see the ME3 upgrades to LI interaction.

[katerinafm]

I won early access to the demo (thankfully I also have an xbox even though I play ME on the pc) so I'll be able to see Kaidan and Cortez for myself, yay!

You can't compare other games' LIs with Bioware's. Sure, the LIs are not the most realistic in the world but you still can't find the detail that goes into them in any other game/gaming company, I think.

[shepskisaac]

I'll just leave this here

[Ryzaki]

The quick frown makes me lmao.

It's like he just realized what he was smiling at and went "Uh...whoops. I'm not happy anyone looking at me."