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[Cuddlezarro]

it is actually possible to not have liara fall for you in ME1 during the convo where she looks into your background the final renegade choice shuts her down and she says she will keep the relationship professional

also managed to dodge the bullet with the consort as well

[SolidBeast]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

it is actually possible to not have liara fall for you in ME1 during the convo where she looks into your background the final renegade choice shuts her down and she says she will keep the relationship professional

also managed to dodge the bullet with the consort as well

I can never do that. She jumped me three times, then I just said **** it and avoided her altogether.

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

it is actually possible to not have liara fall for you in ME1 during the convo where she looks into your background the final renegade choice shuts her down and she says she will keep the relationship professional

also managed to dodge the bullet with the consort as well

I can never do that. She jumped me three times, then I just said **** it and avoided her altogether.

Just don't pick the "That's it?" option.

I don't think you can avoid the molesty hug though. <_<

[Cuddlezarro]

Ryzaki wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

it is actually possible to not have liara fall for you in ME1 during the convo where she looks into your background the final renegade choice shuts her down and she says she will keep the relationship professional

also managed to dodge the bullet with the consort as well

I can never do that. She jumped me three times, then I just said **** it and avoided her altogether.

Just don't pick the "That's it?" option.

I don't think you can avoid the molesty hug though. <_<

this

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
I don't think you can avoid the molesty hug though. <_<

Or Shiala's hands all over your shoulder, or Gianna's kissing if you made a Paragon decision in ME1, or Liara's hugging on Ilium <_< Which is why I always kill Shiala and betray Gianna lol

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

Just don't pick the "That's it?" option.

I don't think you can avoid the molesty hug though. <_<

Oh. I must have assumed it would lead to: "That's it? No sex?".
Whatever. Not interested in doing her any favors anyway. I do swing by to tell her assistant that she can wait when I'm in the area, though.

[Cuddlezarro]

you know you can completely dodge gianna in ME1 by handing that hanar smuggler's contraband to the administrator right?

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Just don't pick the "That's it?" option.

I don't think you can avoid the molesty hug though. <_<

Oh. I must have assumed it would lead to: "That's it? No sex?".
Whatever. Not interested in doing her any favors anyway. I do swing by to tell her assistant that she can wait when I'm in the area, though.

lmao

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I don't think you can avoid the molesty hug though. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Or
Shiala's hands all over your shoulder, or Gianna's kissing if you made a
Paragon decision in ME1, or Liara's hugging on Ilium [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] Which is why I always kill Shiala and betray Gianna lol

So irritating. BW everyone doesn't share your obsession with the Asari. Plz no forced Asari love thx.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 février 2012 - 11:17 .

[devSin]

SolidBeast wrote...

Oh. I must have assumed it would lead to: "That's it? No sex?".
Whatever. Not interested in doing her any favors anyway. I do swing by to tell her assistant that she can wait when I'm in the area, though.

If they had actually ever even conceived that somebody would play Shepard as gay, they totally would have added an option to gag when she goes on about her magic fingers.

Lady, if you try to relieve any of my pressure points, I'm going to snap those fingers off. Be warned.

The hugs didn't bother me, but it did bug me that there's no option there to grimace or roll his eyes. I just had to be happy with using it as the logical exit point for the conversation (but then you have to watch the consort skank back to her office).

Playing straight Shepard really is just a million times easier. Sorry, guys.

Modifié par devSin, 11 février 2012 - 11:00 .

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

So irritating. BW ever doesn't share your obsession with the Asari. Plz no forced Asari love thx.

Indeed. 

devSin wrote...

If
they had actually ever even conceived that somebody would play Shepard
as gay, they totally would have added an option to gag when she goes on
about her magic fingers.

Or just politely tell her that he doesn't find her attractive at all (would have liked to see her face then).

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

you know you can completely dodge gianna in ME1 by handing that hanar smuggler's contraband to the administrator right?

I actually like Gianna, though.

The Consort, however...stay back, you sex crazed maniac.

[bas_kon]

SolidBeast wrote...
Or just politely tell her that he doesn't find her attractive at all (would have liked to see her face then).

But it's so much fun to be rude to the asari...

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...
Or just politely tell her that he doesn't find her attractive at all (would have liked to see her face then).

That would've been damned hilarious.

[devSin]

SolidBeast wrote...

Or just politely tell her that he doesn't find her attractive at all (would have liked to see her face then).

Honestly, she would probably be just as chipper as she is with everything else.

But yes, any response would be fine. I chose to use "gag" because the affirmative response is like "Yes, please! (rub hands together in anticipation)" and has no corresponding unique negative, not because I think it's an appropriate response to affirm his sexual orientation.

I'm not that crass, at least not all the time. :-)

Modifié par devSin, 11 février 2012 - 11:48 .

[katerinafm]

Anyone know what picking the 'Numerous' option in the demo actually does? I picked it and absolutely nothing changed while I was playing the demo.

Personally for the asari I just hate that their hug is basically rubbing their tentacles on Shep's face. It's kind of like they're trying to rub pheromones on Shepard or something XD.

[SolidBeast]

devSin wrote...
Honestly, she would probably be just as chipper as she is with everything else.

You're probably right, but I still think it's not something Asari hear very often. I reckon she'd be at least a little surprised. Sadly, we'll never know.

[shepskisaac]

katerinafm wrote...

Anyone know what picking the 'Numerous' option in the demo actually does? I picked it and absolutely nothing changed while I was playing the demo.

No idea. The only thing it seem to do is assign opposite-sex VS to Shep. Other than that, no one saw any difference. Even if there is a difference in full game, this numerous thing is still confusing as hell. It should separated from VS choice.

[Finis Valorum]

SolidBeast wrote...

Or just politely tell her that he doesn't find her attractive at all (would have liked to see her face then).

Well Meer did voice all of Hale's dialog presumably including the part where FemShep can tell Liara she just likes men. They could have easily added that option to MShep as well (it's not like you'd have to pick it if you didn't want  just like you don't have to be nice to Anders on your first encounter) even if they didn't feel inclined to provide an actual male Li for you to romance.

And he did 2.04 right there.


About the Gianna thing you don't have to give the evidence to Anoleis either, just giving it to the sexy Turian is enough to avoid the Gianna kiss and still make Noveria a little bit less corrupt. Plus he sends you a nice "fly in the lotion email" in ME2 if you do which is much nicer then the Gianna kiss anyway.

[corky_g]

Wow, I'm so disappointed that I only just now discovered this thread. I tried to read through everything, but after a whole day I've only been able to make it to page 125 before skipping ahead to random pages. There's been some great discussion here, and I feel terrible that I haven't been able to follow along since the start.

@Siansonea II: thank you for creating this thread, and for diligently keeping it "on track," and for making sure this is one thread that hasn't been locked down like so many others. It's so close to release time, I'm way beyond fashionably late; more like I've showed up to the party and everyone's just waiting for their cabs, but at least I can get a few words in before everyone goes home to play ME3.

@IsaacShep: there have been several great regular contributors to this thread, but you've really stood-out. I've joined your Kaidan group, and will take a look-see when I have more time.

On topic: I really don't like the way Cortez looks either, but I don't think he's ugly. I'm sure he'll be well written, and I think that's more important. In terms of physical attraction, he kinda strikes me as... when you're taking the bus through the ****ty part of town, so it's full of weirdos and ugly smelly people, but Cortez is the only other normal one so he becomes the closest thing to eye candy available, so he'll have to do. But again, personality is more important, and from what little I've heard of him so far, I already like him.

Like Tietj, I'm certainly not ungrateful. I'm actually really surprised after all these months of speculating, that BW actually did introduce a m/m only, truly gay character. And however he turns out, I'd like to thank BW for making that happen.

I'm not completely up to date, but as I understand atm, Cortez is confirmed and VS and Vega are likely. After everything that's happened since ME1, that's already 3 or 4 times as many m/m Li's I was expecting BW to implement. I honestly thought they would just tack something on and be like "here you go gays, now stop complaining." We'll have to wait and see if there's any meat on the bones they've thrown us, but so far the odds are looking good :-)

[SolidBeast]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Or just politely tell her that he doesn't find her attractive at all (would have liked to see her face then).

And he did 2.04 right there.

aldffksjdkl damnit, BioWare!

[TMA LIVE]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I don't think you can avoid the molesty hug though. <_<

Or Shiala's hands all over your shoulder, or Gianna's kissing if you made a Paragon decision in ME1, or Liara's hugging on Ilium <_< Which is why I always kill Shiala and betray Gianna lol

Oh, come on. Girl hugs are awesome. It's not that big of a deal.

(someone then asks TMA how he'd feel if a guy kissed his cheek, and hugged him without having a choice)

Ok, I understand.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 février 2012 - 12:46 .

[shepskisaac]

TMA LIVE wrote...


Oh, come on. Girl hugs are awesome. It's not that big of a deal.

(someone then asks TMA how he'd feel if a guy kissed his cheek, and hugged him without having a choice)

Ok, I understand.

Yup. Friendly hugs are great an all. But Consort, Shiala & Gianna ain't friendly with their hugs, rubbing and kissing. It's flirtly & sexual.

[SolidBeast]

I don't like anyone being all up in my face, rubbing themselves against me, male or female. Sadly, I've found that people around me consider that perfectly normal behavior. I'd at least like to be able to avoid that in my games.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 12 février 2012 - 12:55 .

[Finis Valorum]

corky_g wrote...

I honestly thought they would just tack something on and be like "here you go gays, now stop complaining." We'll have to wait and see if there's any meat on the bones they've thrown us, but so far the odds are looking good :

Still looks to me like they've done just that since the only thing about Cortez they put any serious effort into seems to be the writing, as far as everything else goes he's obviously designed to be as low cost as possible.
- Bland face (likely new and improved CG generated as well)
- No custom outfit or iconic look either 
- Isn't a squad mate, meaning no or at least far less party banter/interaction or location comments

I also still fail to see why we should be ecstatic about average looks while everyone else is guaranteed at least one beautiful option.

On the flip side, Diana Allers, the totally optional bisexual reporter fling gets both a custom face and an iconic look.

Samantha, the other s/s exclusive is also very likely to have at least a custom face and possibly an iconic look as well (I could easily imagine the Devs thinking a sexy non-standard uniform somehow aids in her diplomatic duties on and off the ship).

Also what odds? You've seen Cortez, that's it, we're probably not getting anything more.

There is of course always the non zero possibility of a tacked on and very poorly integrated, chaste, DLC Li about six months after the release  (at which point it won't matter all that much anymore). Then again if memory serves me it was someone on the DA team and not the ME one who expressed interest in maybe doing a DLC Li at some point in the future so the odds of the ME team sharing that vision are probably slim to none.

And I won't ever care about same sex exclusives (or Gamestop exclusives or Origin exclusives for that matter), if it means more choice for everyone, DA2's all bi approach was the best one yet imho.

[Ricvenart]

Tbh I think you are being overly picky Finis, not only with the looks of Cortez, which should he be the only option and his personality seems alright I'll take it anyway, just to say yeah I tried it, thanks for the option, I know you're afriad of doing s/s romances wrong and there is alot of resistance so you really don't need people saying it's awful, an insult etc solely based on his looks.
But wanting to have you're character go round everywhere shouting he's only into men and gay, never giving a woman a friendly hug or kiss because girls are icky and no way could it be innocent and never having a woman hit on you. In many ways this is the exact opposite of normal intergration into games and the very thing that turns a character from just happening to be gay to only being gay. Yes that one line to Liara from MShep would have fit but at the same time you already have the option to tell her your not interested.
The consort is hardly a sex crazed maniac either, alright the bit where shes practically talking right into your ear is a bit cringe worthy, but she only offers sex if you show displeasure for a lovely Affirmation of who you are and a pretty trinket.
Frankly I don't see why anyone would want Fable's or Skyrims "Relationship" (and I use those terms ever so loosely, particularly in regard to skyrim, shockingly Fable had much more "depth") over the systems Bioware uses now, where major characters are romancable, yes it would have been nice if at least one option per game was available for m/m but just because they haven't done it in the above style I don't see why there should be a rule forcing it. If anything it's the opposite as it's more based on Story and character, yeah no-one dumps you over the Queen or Council but just because it's labeled as renegade doesn't force it as being bad, Kaidan respects you and thinks no less of you for the desicion even though he wouldn't have pick it, in spite of that he still sees theres a possibility it's for the best. That the alternitive could have turned out much worse by not having enough ships for the reaper or a millenia old war being restarted. Nice try with the exegerated example of burning down an orphanage someone but there is no choice similar, the worst you can really do just out of spite is not giving Tali the geth data and even then there are rules in place which could get you sacked over it.
Why Anders is suddenly being used as a shining example of bi characters I don't know when if your not interested in him you have to be mean, there is no gentle let down. Don't get me wrong I loved Anders romance story, the interactions with Justice and the betrayal that may lead to you killing him, although you'd miss out on a great line "Someday a mage like me could love a man like you somewhere and there will be no Templars to stop us", but that issue is pretty fatal, At least most of the time you can let down ME interests by saying it needs to be kept professional even when they do sort of creep up on you solely because you were nice to them.
I've said it before and will again, spending 2 games on a rollercoaster with Kaidan has a great protential in being a really good romance arc, even if it was done for the wrong reasons to begin with forcing the issue in ME1 to declare his sexuality would have completely ruined that, the only thing it would bring balance to is Ash's religion where he could get the same "some people are really weirded out by it" and shepard could reply with the same "You can love who you want, it says so right in the alliance charter" or "I am too" but even then it would feel nothing but tacky.
One way or not at all isn't a great stance to take no matter what examples you use, and it'll take time and support to see it more in games before it's done right or not at all. In a similar way to combat, there is no right way that everyone loves and agrees on right now it's trial and error, just picking holes in it for the sake of it results in things like ME1 inventory being complete removed, do you really want to see that happen for s/s romances too because they feel they can't do them right and people will always hate how they look or if they can't say thier sexuality to everyone? We haven't even seen that much of Cortez and people are already snubbing him and Bioware for it. Maybe this virtual bunch of pixels isn't to your taste, but they can't please everyones "type". Some people may not like him solely because it's a 3D model, with textures even had they tried. Whether or not he's totally real or my type I'll be trying it out for the story see how it is, if it's abysmal then I'll complain, not solely on the fact he can't follow me everywhere or shoot a gun or be biotic or just on things I havent seen yet.
Sorry for the ultra long super rant, that may read a bit scattered but it's just bugging me, not a personal thing against you or anyone in particular if it sounds like that. I'm going to stop now before I write a dissertation on it.

Modifié par Ricvenart, 12 février 2012 - 01:13 .