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[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

ALL OF THIS.

(snipped the FemShep part for a reason)

Especially the damned bolded.

I have a feeling we'd get along.

Abispa wrote...

<snip>

C'mon, Ryzaki and SolidBeast! FEEL THE LOVE!

I have a shotgun.

[Ryzaki]

We probably would

@Abispa: ...Don't make me use my widow on you. You will not like the result.

[Abispa]

@ Ryzaki -- Is that a lonely, rich widow?

Modifié par Abispa, 12 février 2012 - 06:27 .

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

@ Ryzaki -- Is that a lonely, rich widow?

No it's the type that'll make your head explode when I aim it at you.

[Abispa]

Hugs for everyone!

I stole this from the Garrus thread. The person who originally posted it did not give the artist's name.

[shepskisaac]

Abispa wrote...

a lonely, rich widow?

Is that how you like them Abi?

[Abispa]

IsaacShep wrote...

Abispa wrote...

a lonely, rich widow?

Is that how you like them Abi?

Nah, that's just what I come to expect from some Bioware LIs. Not sure if Jahera, Carth and Cortez are rich, though.

[SolidBeast]

Waiting for that demo...

You and I have come so far
We've reached beyond the farthest star
Time and time and time again
I want you back
You were a friend
We can't pretend

www.youtube.com/watch

Why doesn't the ****ing link work...
edit2: even the edit function hates me..

Modifié par SolidBeast, 12 février 2012 - 07:44 .

[Ryzaki]

...If Guardian and Aizen's face don't port over properly I'm going to rage. >_>

Put too much time and effort into them to be foiled by the damn CC.

[MACharlie1]

Collider wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
Any confirmation that the TLK files were cut from the demo? I really expected them by now.

I'm guessing no one's gone through the effort.
That, or they encrypted them.

It's only been a couple of days...give the Russians time. [insert Russian vodka joke here] 

[SolidBeast]

@Ryzaki - DefaultShep is the answer...

Also, disappointed we don't have character playlists like we did before DA2 released. Dying for some new music.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 12 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[devSin]

SolidBeast wrote...

I already said I don't like people being all up in my face, male or female. It's not just a casual hug, the whole thing is set up as if my character is supposed to accept and enjoy the flirting.

Ah, OK. I agree with you about the way these sequences are staged.

Hopefully they move away from this in the future. Maybe they'll give the option to at least express displeasure if they do feel the need to do it, but I have my doubts.

Like you say, DA tends to simply not do this, that I can remember at least. But I don't remember them ever giving you the opportunity for some affirmation (it simply doesn't happen; you never get to tell people who you are or why you don't want it), so to me it doesn't always seem like so much progress over every other Asari getting all up on your business.

Abispa wrote...

Nah, that's just what I come to expect from some Bioware LIs. Not sure if Jahera, Carth and Cortez are rich, though.

Jaheira was not rich (she was a druid; not sure she actually owned much of anything).

But her family was nobility. Of course, that was when the population revolted against the Tethyrian government, so their lands were sacked and burned and her parents actually murdered by the mob that descended on them.

Good times!

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...

@Ryzaki - DefaultShep is the answer...

Also, disappointed we don't have character playlists like we did before DA2 released. Dying for some new music.

Default Shep has short hair. No thank you.

Sadly.

[Finis Valorum]

MACharlie1 wrote...

It's only been a couple of days...give the Russians time. [insert Russian vodka joke here] 

Well..... after hearing some of the complaints about the limited dialogue (options) from people, who've played the demo, maybe they did make special tlk files just for the demo.
If so the very limited amount of dialogue and dialogue choices in the demo might make sense.

On the other hand if the demo is an accurate representation of the level and complexity
of ME3 dialogue and there really is going to be much more auto dialogue
in ME3 I'm afraid that will mean even more and longer unwanted flirting sessions.



For now, I'm just gonna assume the dialogue options in the demo are
not indicative of the game and that the demo dialogue was purposely
neutered to prevent more plot leaks.

[SolidBeast]

devSin wrote...

Like you say, DA tends to simply not do this, that I can remember at least. But I don't remember them ever giving you the opportunity for some affirmation (it simply doesn't happen; you never get to tell people who you are or why you don't want it), so to me it doesn't always seem like so much progress over every other Asari getting all up on your business.

Well, I never felt there was a need for that, since the options to have sex with / be in love with a man were always there. And Thedas seems (to my mind, at least) to be more open-minded (granted, it's the lack of s/s in ME that makes it appear that way). It was always enough for me to simply let everyone know my character was in love with Anders, and since he was such an integral part of the story, it made the experience that much better. It didn't even feel like it was "converted" from femHawke's romance. Except maybe the animations, they were a bit awkward at times.
I can't remember a scene where someone was physically coming on to my character. Isabela did, verbally, but that was more about her. She even later comments on my relationship with Anders, so it wasn't a big deal. All in all, that feeling of people getting into my personal space was absent altogether. And, of course, I had choice to show my characters' preferences.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 12 février 2012 - 09:26 .

[Ryzaki]

That and for the most part (save that silly grin at Isabela in DA2) Hawke/the Warden can either be flirty with someone flirty or be "Uh. No." (hi there Jethann, Isabela (in DAO), Tallis and Zevran)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2012 - 09:29 .

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

That and for the most part (save that silly grin at Isabela in DA2) Hawke/the Warden can either be flirty with someone flirty or be "Uh. No." (hi there Jethann, Isabela (in DAO), Tallis and Zevran)

Indeed!

[Finis Valorum]

SolidBeast wrote...

Thedas seems (to my mind, at least) to be more open-minded (granted, it's the lack of s/s in ME that makes it appear that way).

It's not just lack the lack of s/s that makes the ME universe seem very close-minded indeed.
There's only been one possible male homosexual in the entire Mass Effect extended universe, and we all know what happens to him.
And even though we have always had the possibility of lesbian relationships. the fact that a young girl on Omega considers same sex attraction a bigger deal then a relationship with aliens isn't exaclty a hopeful sign of their wider social acceptance or commonality either.

[devSin]

SolidBeast wrote...

Well, I never felt there was a need for that, since the options to have sex with / be in love with a man were always there. And Thedas seems (to my mind, at least) to be more open-minded (granted, it's the lack of s/s in ME that makes it appear that way). It was always enough for me to simply let everyone know my character was in love with Anders, and since he was such an integral part of the story, it made the experience that much better.

But I'm not sure that reactivity is actually there. I mean, of course you will be able to relate to the party. That team does banter and companion interaction exceptionally well.

But I don't recall really any instance where anybody in the outside world knows or acknowledges that you're in a relationship with somebody of the same gender (except the family, but when do they ever count). You could turn down the elf in the brothel, sure, but there's nothing really telling about your reaction (beyond either "yes", which does elicit an amusing response from your sibling, or "no").

My feeling was simply that I'm not sure having no untoward physical advances at all, which precludes even giving you the opportunity to offer any response, is so much progress as it is just a conscious decsion to not do that to anybody.

You say people invade your space in real life, so there's something to say for having it in the game. It does happen. But giving you the opportunity to react in a way that makes you comfortable is where I'm not sure DA provides any template for doing it the right way.

Because you know this team is more likely than not to throw Asari at you again and again, gay romance options or not.

Modifié par devSin, 12 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[Ryzaki]

devSin wrote...
But I don't recall really any instance where anybody in the outside world knows or acknowledges that you're in a relationship with somebody of the same gender (except the family, but when do they ever count). You could turn down the elf in the brothel, sure, but there's nothing really telling about your reaction (beyond either "yes", which does elicit an amusing response from your sibling, or "no").

Who counts as outside world?

Everyone in the party acknowledges the romance for the most part. (save maybe Sten). In DAO (particularly in banter) yes they do bring up the s/s of it but for the most part it's treated as whatever. [Except by Oghren who has his "so you and the boss man eh?" banter with Zev]. They don't make it a big deal because in DAO for the most part it's not a big deal. (Heck they don't even make a big deal of cross species relationships which would be far more of a bigger deal then s/s).

Heck the only outside person I remember acknowledging a m/f relationship is Eamon and Anora and that's because that relationship was relevant at the time. (My femWarden and Alistair when she married Anora and Alistair to each other).

As for nothing telling about your reaction. Does their need to be? In DA for the most part you have plenty of chances to express interest in the s/s. Just saying "not interested" suffices for me because it's not like ME where gay male Shep might as well not exist.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2012 - 10:20 .

[Abispa]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Thedas seems (to my mind, at least) to be more open-minded (granted, it's the lack of s/s in ME that makes it appear that way).

It's not just lack the lack of s/s that makes the ME universe seem very close-minded indeed.
There's only been one possible male homosexual in the entire Mass Effect extended universe, and we all know what happens to him.
And even though we have always had the possibility of lesbian relationships. the fact that a young girl on Omega considers same sex attraction a bigger deal then a relationship with aliens isn't exaclty a hopeful sign of their wider social acceptance or commonality either.

I think that says more about the writers than the ME world in "reality." At least, I hope it does. I do like how it undercuts the whole "Asari don't count as s/s relationships" line of BS that Bioware had been pushing for four years.

[devSin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Who counts as outside world?

The basic plot characters. Not the companions or camp followers.

Ryzaki wrote...

As for nothing telling about your reaction. Does their need to be? In DA for the most part you have plenty of chances to express interest in the s/s. Just saying "not interested" suffices for me because it's not like ME where gay male Shep might as well not exist.

Absolutely not. I'm not at all suggesting that you need the opportunity to tell every single person you talk to that you're not interested in women.

What I was saying is that the situation doesn't ever come up in DA, so I'm not sure that it provides anything relevant on how best to handle these situations which do occur in ME (and which may very well continue into ME3). DA simply doesn't do it; they don't give you the solution for doing it right.

And although I prefer DA substantially more than I ever will ME, I think there's a place to have this sort of unwarranted affection, provided it allows some sort of satisfactory response for when it isn't appropriate (and as I noted, my renegade Shepard was thrilled enough to demand more, so sometimes it actually is appropriate).

Modifié par devSin, 12 février 2012 - 10:42 .

[SolidBeast]

devSin wrote...

But I don't recall really any instance where anybody in the outside world knows or acknowledges that you're in a relationship with somebody of the same gender (except the family, but when do they ever count).

Well, I don't know. Who else needs to know other than my family and everyone in my party (and even they don't)? I don't know about you, but I don't feel the need to discuss my sexuality with random people, especially in a scenario where I've got a world to save. What I'm trying to say is, what does the opportunity to tell some stranger "I'm only interested in men" add to your experience when
a) no one really cares
you've already got options to flirt and be in relationships with men?

In a world where it's not a big deal, I can't see that question coming up a lot in casual conversation.

You say people invade your space in real life, so there's something to say for having it in the game. It does happen. But giving you the opportunity to react in a way that makes you comfortable is where I'm not sure DA provides any template for doing it the right way.

Because you know this team is more likely than not to throw Asari at you again and again, gay romance options or not.

But that's just it - it doesn't occur in DA. It occurs in ME, and there I have no option but to accept it. However, it doesn't change the fact that I don't consider it acceptable behavior in real life, and I don't consider it acceptable in games. 

[SolidBeast]

devSin wrote...

DA simply doesn't do it; they don't give you the solution for doing it right.

I think the solution for doing it right is not doing it. But that may be my bias talking.

edit: agreed with Ryzaki.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 12 février 2012 - 10:54 .

[Ryzaki]

devSin wrote...
The basic plot characters. Not the companions or camp followers.

In that case no one brings it up period. There is no m/f preference. No one brings it up unless it's relevant. And the only time it's relevant is if you're trying to marry Alistair and Anora so it makes sense that he'd be the only one brought up. I'm willing to bet if Alistair had been s/s they still would've brought it up.

Well actually the HN family (Fergus to be precise) brings up whoever the Warden is going to jump into bed with but otherwise other than Alistair no one gives a damn m/f or otherwise.

Absolutely not. I'm not at all suggesting that you need the opportunity to tell every single person you talk to that you're not interested in women.

What I was saying is that the situation doesn't ever come up in DA, so I'm not sure that it provides anything relevant on how best to handle these situations which do occur in ME (and which may very well continue into ME3). DA simply doesn't do it; they don't give you the solution for doing it right.

And although I prefer DA substantially more than I ever will ME, I think there's a place to have this sort of unwarranted affection, provided it allows some sort of satisfactory response for when it isn't appropriate (and as I noted, my renegade Shepard was thrilled enough to demand more, so sometimes it actually is appropriate).

True enough. However they do give you the option for a rejection period. No matter how light the flirtation is for the most part (save Isabela in DA2) Hawke/the Warden has the option to respond favorably or disfavorably. Shepard doesn't have that except with LIs. Warden/Hawke has it with everyone. The rejection doesn't have to include sexuality all the time because in DA at least Hawke/the Warden has ample opportunities to express their preference in the s/s. Heck Hawke doesn't specify not being into men when he rejects Anders/Fenris either (the Warden can with Zevran however).

That's why it's agitating and feels forced to me.

With the Warden/Hawke the hug (first off there would be no forced hug) and second off Hawke/Warden would've been able to be disgusted/professionaly "no thank you.". Far more choices then just "Hug me sexy blue lady!"

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2012 - 10:54 .