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[Chun Hei]

What the hell is going on here!? I cannot believe there is so much rage over hugging in video games! MY problem is that Bioware games do not let ME hug everybody I want to. I think I could really warm up to Jack and Miranda if I could do this more often...



I am sure Wrex would dig it. Then we could headbutt each other and go kill some Reapers.

EDIT: I grabbed this image off Google so I have no idea what kind of website that is in the upper corner of the picture. Ignore it.

Modifié par Chun Hei, 12 février 2012 - 10:56 .

[Ryzaki]

...Wrex would probably kill poor Shepard hugging him.

And it's not just a hug. It's a molesty hug. There's a difference.

[SolidBeast]

I think the word "rage" is too strong here. It evokes images of someone ripping away their keyboard, then throwing the monitor out the window.

Besides, it's not "hugging". I already said I have nothing against hugging Tali. It's the forced rubbing against me that I find unacceptable. Difference.

[Ryzaki]

Thus molesty hug.

Someone you don't know grabbing you and rubbing their face against your chest is not a hug.It's plain not appropriate.
Shepard should've been able to back away/dodge the hug or at least remove her from him.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2012 - 11:06 .

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

Thus molesty hug.

Someone you don't know grabbing you and rubbing their face against your chest is not a hug. It's plain not appropriate.
Shepard should've been able to back away/dodge the hug or at least remove her from him.

Indeed. Renegade interrupt would be nice.

[breyant]

I do not see anything wrong with the devs assuming Shep is straight and having a few women hit on him in the process. Most of the world doesn't automatically assume you're gay unless you're obviously flamboyant, which Shep is not, so I don't see the issue.

Yeah the consort sex was awkward and I completely didn't even realize what happened the first time, but I learned and don't do it anymore. But seriously people are upset about hugs and playful kisses? In my opinion, we should just be happy Bioware acknowledges us at all.

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Thus molesty hug.

Someone you don't know grabbing you and rubbing their face against your chest is not a hug. It's plain not appropriate.
Shepard should've been able to back away/dodge the hug or at least remove her from him.

Indeed. Renegade interrupt would be nice.

Renegade's probably a little drastic but a evasion or a gentle removal of her would've been appreciated.

Yes I am upset. It has squat to do with my Sheps sexuality and everything to do with them hijacking my Shep's characterization when it's unnecessary. Yes devs you like sexy blue women. That doesn't mean everyone else does. My Shep doesn't dig people touching him that he doesn't know. And it's not restricted to dude Shep either. FemShep has to deal with molesty asari as well.

It's even worse because its only offering an option to make it not so ridculous. They can keep their "Shep gets all the ladies." theme and I don't have to deal with Shep standing their like a moron while strange women rub against him.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2012 - 11:11 .

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Thus molesty hug.

Someone you don't know grabbing you and rubbing their face against your chest is not a hug. It's plain not appropriate.
Shepard should've been able to back away/dodge the hug or at least remove her from him.

Indeed. Renegade interrupt would be nice.

Renegade's probably a little drastic but a evasion or a gentle removal of her would've been appreciated.

Well I never said it has to be a punch-in-the-face-shove-to-the-ground interrupt. Just using that option to step back or something.

[ReallyRue]

breyant wrote...

I do not see anything wrong with the devs assuming Shep is straight and having a few women hit on him in the process. Most of the world doesn't automatically assume you're gay unless you're obviously flamboyant, which Shep is not, so I don't see the issue.

Yeah the consort sex was awkward and I completely didn't even realize what happened the first time, but I learned and don't do it anymore. But seriously people are upset about hugs and playful kisses? In my opinion, we should just be happy Bioware acknowledges us at all.

In the case of the Consort, I really wouldn't say that her rubbing up against Shepard like some stray cat is 'hitting on him/her'. It's just  weird and awkward. Regardless of Shepard's sex/sexuality.

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...
Well I never said it has to be a punch-in-the-face-shove-to-the-ground interrupt. Just using that option to step back or something.

I can't help but equal renegade to overreaction. XD 

But yeah a step back would be perfect.

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...
Well I never said it has to be a punch-in-the-face-shove-to-the-ground interrupt. Just using that option to step back or something.

I can't help but equal renegade to overreaction. XD 

But yeah a step back would be perfect.

*steps back sharply* *consort falls to her face*

Can't say I overreacted.

[devSin]

Ryzaki wrote...

True enough. However they do give you the option for a rejection period. No matter how light the flirtation is for the most part (save Isabela in DA2) Hawke/the Warden has the option to respond favorably or disfavorably.

The problem with that is that it is something that engages (and actually makes some consideration of) the player. That is what the DA team has chosen to do.

In ME, your acceptance is implicit. It's a cinematic gimmick. Here's a woman. The man has helped the woman. The woman should show her affection at the end. They're not giving any thought to Shepard, or at least to the way you may be playing him. Man (obviously straight) takes care of woman (obviously attracted). And we all know what happens in that version of events.

Ryzaki wrote...

That's why it's agitating and feels forced to me.

I don't disagree.

I don't want to give the impression that I think there was any purpose to having her rub her blue all over you. I'm just trying to think of a situation where they decide to do it that it could actually work playing a gay Shepard.

Obviously, in the perfect world, it just doesn't happen, without prompting at least. They don't take such cinematic license as to fling random women at you if you simply happen to be a man in DA. But these guys seem to really want to, so what the DA team may prefer doesn't really seem to offer any insight.

As I stated initially, it would have been nice to just be able to say no. I agree. I don't remember how it turned into being able to express sexuality in these situations. I do go off track sometimes, so maybe that's it.

[Ryzaki]

devSin wrote...
The problem with that is that it is something that engages (and actually makes some consideration of) the player. That is what the DA team has chosen to do.

In ME, your acceptance is implicit. It's a cinematic gimmick. Here's a woman. The man has helped the woman. The woman should show her affection at the end. They're not giving any thought to Shepard, or at least to the way you may be playing him. Man (obviously straight) takes care of woman (obviously attracted). And we all know what happens in that version of events.

And that's what irritates me. They don't bother looking beyond the straight man's POV (and hell they copy and paste the damn thing with femShep!) A femshep that can straight up say she's only interested in men [and be openly racist] and she still accepts the hug.

You can bet your ass there would never be a forced male version of the consort with dude Shep though. That's also what irks me it's fine to force the player as long as it's not something that'll make dudebros uncomfortable. 

But I am bias because I can't stand people I don't know touching me. Consort level of touching would result in a very quick "Don't think so." while I get them away from me. I'll tolerate those I know grabbing me. But someone I don't know? Hell no.

I don't disagree.

I don't want to give the impression that I think there was any purpose to having her rub her blue all over you. I'm just trying to think of a situation where they decide to do it that it could actually work playing a gay Shepard.

Obviously, in the perfect world, it just doesn't happen, without prompting at least. They don't take such cinematic license as to fling random women at you if you simply happen to be a man in DA. But these guys seem to really want to, so what the DA team may prefer doesn't really seem to offer any insight.

As I stated initially, it would have been nice to just be able to say no. I agree. I don't remember how it turned into being able to express sexuality in these situations. I do go off track sometimes, so maybe that's it.

I'm pretty sure the purpose was "Oh look sexy lady likes hot dude Shep! Do her quest to get some virtual asari tail!" I'm not thinking the line of thought between the cinematic was much beyond that.

Then they need to learn that maybe just maybe all players aren't into that and maybe just maybe some variety in actions would be called for. I doubt they will but hey.

I believe expressing sexuality came because Shep (unlike the Warden and Hawke) [and in particular gayShep] has scarce opportunities (or none at all) to express his sexuality. Being able to reject because he doesn't swing that way would be more opportunities to express his rarely hinted at (if at all) sexuality.

It's simply not needed in DA or DA2 though.

@Solid:  That works.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2012 - 11:35 .

[devSin]

Ryzaki wrote...

You can bet your ass there would never be a forced male version of the consort with dude Shep though. That's also what irks me.

Part of me does feel that the Asari are all-female primarily so that they could make them hyper-sexual.

So you can throw hot lady at man (hot!) and hot lady at lady (even hotter!). You never even have to think about throwing man at anything (so not hot!).

Ryzaki wrote...

I believe expressing sexuality came because Shep (unlike the Warden and Hawke) [and in particular gayShep] has scarce opportunities (or none at all) to express his sexuality. Being able to reject because he doesn't swing that way would be more opportunities to express his rarely hinted at (if at all) sexuality.

Agreed there.

I do believe that gay Shep has it rough, especially in the first one. It's simply not so much fun to have to fight off everybody, in addition to battling the geth.

Probably I prefer straight Shepard just so he can be into all of it and concentrate on killing bad guys. But I'm still looking forward if gay Shepard can go forward to ME3 (only for Kaidan, though, not that other guy), and maybe, just maybe, this time he can be happy and everybody who used to demand that he be interested in them will see that he is happy and will shut the hell up without needing to first be told to stand down.

[Ryzaki]

devSin wrote...

Part of me does feel that the Asari are all-female primarily so that they could make them hyper-sexual.

So you can throw hot lady at man (hot!) and hot lady at lady (even hotter!). You never even have to think about throwing man at anything (so not hot!).

LOL probably true.

Agreed there.

I do believe that gay Shep has it rough, especially in the first one. It's simply not so much fun to have to fight off everybody, in addition to battling the geth.

Probably I prefer straight Shepard just so he can be into all of it and concentrate on killing bad guys. But I'm still looking forward if gay Shepard can go forward to ME3 (only for Kaidan, though, not that other guy), and maybe, just maybe, this time he can be happy and everybody who used to demand that he be interested in them will see that he is happy and will shut the hell up without needing to first be told to stand down.

Poor baby. And he didn't even get laid either.

Psh. Vega please. And yeah gay Shep will be able to be happy with a nice guy.

[Abispa]

If the RENEGADE INTERRUPT for the Asari Consort was "Kiss my ass!" you might really have wound up with a scene to complain about.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

If the RENEGADE INTERRUPT for the Asari Consort was "Kiss my ass!" you might really have wound up with a scene to complain about.

Nah slap my ass would've been better.

[SolidBeast]

Abispa wrote...

If the RENEGADE INTERRUPT for the Asari Consort was "Kiss my ass!" you might really have wound up with a scene to complain about.

I don't doubt she does it anyway.

[Finis Valorum]

Ryzaki wrote...
Then they need to learn that maybe just maybe all players aren't into
that and maybe just maybe some variety in actions would be called for.
I doubt they will but hey.

I believe expressing sexuality came because Shep (unlike the Warden and Hawke) [and in particular gayShep] has scarce opportunities (or none at all) to express his sexuality. Being able to reject because he doesn't swing that way would be more opportunities to express his rarely hinted at (if at all) sexuality.

It's simply not needed in DA or DA2 though.

The ME team will never bother to look beyond the viewpoint of the straight, teenage male.
I really hope ME3's auto dialogue doesn't force our poor characters (and indeed FemSheps suffers too) into more of these rather uncomfortable situations.
But it's really frustrating to constantly have all these women flinging themselves at my GayShep and no matter how many he turns down they just keep coming.

Ryzaki says it better than I ever could, but at this point I would just like to have one option (that doesn't involve letting Cortez think you're into him, just because he's the only other gay guy in the ME universe) in the actual game that would let me establish a same sex preference for my ManSheps.
I believe this it not too much to ask in a game that claims it's all about choices and up until now has indeed offered us a great deal of choices except the choice for ManShep to be anything other than straight and flirtatious.

[katerinafm]

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that the demo took an extra month to come out because of the leaks in the leaked beta. That's why the original leaked beta was twice the size (and with lots of banter, gun customization, etc). They probably took longer to create a 'harmless' new demo with just a few lines of dialogue. I mean, the second part of the demo is just sort of odd because it basically cuts Wrex off when he's talking and makes you jump straight to the action. If there are no tlk files, then I'll assume I'm right XD

Modifié par katerinafm, 13 février 2012 - 12:11 .

[Collider]

that doesn't involve letting Cortez think you're into him, just because he's the only other gay guy in the ME universe

You keep mentioning that, but it's been said by those who have read the leaks that you don't have to let Cortez on to say that you're gay. Flirting with Cortez is separate from that line.

Modifié par Collider, 13 février 2012 - 12:04 .

[Collider]

katerinafm wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that the demo took an extra month to come out was because of the leaks in the leaked beta. That's why the original leaked beta was twice the size (and with lots of banter, gun customization, etc). They probably took longer to create a 'harmless' new demo with just a few lines of dialogue. I mean, the second part of the demo is just sort of odd because it basically cuts Wrex off when he's talking and makes you jump straight to the action. If there are no tlk files, then I'll assume I'm right XD

If they ended up hiding the tlk files or truncating them, hopefully they'll announce romance options on Feb 14th, anyway.

...Two things of note here.
1. When they did this for DA2, they only "announced" the heterosexual romances.
2. However, Steve and Samantha are (so far as we are aware) homosexual only.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

I like the idea of Kaiden and Ashley being same-sex. Since one of them has to be dead, it's not like they'll look at each other in ME3 and say, "Hey, we're bisexual.". They both seemed a bit bi to me, anyway, and we know that was Bioware's original idea in the first game.

[jeweledleah]

about unwanted come ons. its not just gay sheps that are uncomfortable with those. you don't have to be gay to dislike women hitting on you without provocation. maybe you are already attached. maybe you are assexual. maybe you are just not interested in casual sex or whatever. unwanted come ones and hugs and whatnot - they affect Shepards of all genders and preferences.

just saying.

[Collider]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...
I like the idea of Kaiden and Ashley being same-sex. Since one of them has to be dead, it's not like they'll look at each other in ME3 and say, "Hey, we're bisexual.". They both seemed a bit bi to me, anyway, and we know that was Bioware's original idea in the first game.

Patrick Weekes and other developers have confirmed that they never planned to make Ashley and Kaidan bisexual.