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[SolidBeast]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

What I don't understand is why Bioware doesn't seem to take into account the bi people. Why couldn't Shepard be bi? I've been reading that if you pursue one romance, the others close off. Why is that? Maybe you want to do a bi threesome? Or maybe you want to get to know better both a female and a male before choosing who to complete the romance with?

Also in the club, why does Shepard saying that he likes guy makes him gay? Why couldn't he be bi?

I think people need to stop thinking in terms of black and white sexualities and be more open.

My guess is they couldn't account for every possible confrontation scenario, a la DA. Because there would need to be some tension and confrontation, normally people don't just go "oh, you're still undecided? K, get back to me."

[Tietj]

Actually, certain people have done nothing but hate on him, and the way he looks, since the first unclear pictures were released.

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...




The inability to talk about a past male lover could also mean they've decided for us that GayShep is a virgin as well now, that just plain sucks.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you have a talent for extracting the worst possible interpretation from every single thing.




Not mentioning a past lover does NOT mean Bioware are now insisting Shepard has had no one special in his or her past.




The conversation is purely based on plot flags. Since there are no flags for past male romances, this isn't an option.




NOWHERE in the script is the implication that Shepard is a virgin.

[ReveurIngenu]

SolidBeast wrote...

My guess is they couldn't account for every possible confrontation scenario, a la DA. Because there would need to be some tension and confrontation, normally people don't just go "oh, you're still undecided? K, get back to me."

Well, why does the people you romance have to know?  I've always been under the impression that when you romance, the other crew members don't find out until a certain point.  It's not like they would know right away.  Why not force you to choose again like in past ME games?

Edit: I mean, why not have a confrontation with those you currently are pursueing, with them forcing you to choose.

Modifié par ReveurIngenu, 13 février 2012 - 02:59 .

[Ryzaki]

At 29-30 (no I don't count the years Shep was dead) it would be damned hard for Shep to be a virgin.

[ReveurIngenu]

There are probably more 29-30 year old virgins than you think in the world. Not everyone lives in a society that pressures people to have as much sex as possible.

[Tietj]

I actually like that being in a relationship shuts down other ones. It makes Shepard seem like less of a cad.

[SolidBeast]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

My guess is they couldn't account for every possible confrontation scenario, a la DA. Because there would need to be some tension and confrontation, normally people don't just go "oh, you're still undecided? K, get back to me."

Well, why does the people you romance have to know?  I've always been under the impression that when you romance, the other crew members don't find out until a certain point.  It's not like they would know right away.  Why not force you to choose again like in past ME games?

Edit: I mean, why not have a confrontation with those you currently are pursueing, with them forcing you to choose.

Like I said, too many romances, too many variables, not enough resources.

[Collider]

If you want a bisexual male Shepard:
1. Romance someone in ME1/ME2.
2. Move on to Cortez in ME3.

Simple.

I like that you lock into romances because it's tidier that way.

Modifié par Collider, 13 février 2012 - 03:04 .

[ReveurIngenu]

SolidBeast wrote...

Like I said, too many romances, too many variables, not enough resources.

Yes, it's quite late over here.  Didn't get what you meant until I reread my reply.

[SolidBeast]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Like I said, too many romances, too many variables, not enough resources.

Yes, it's quite late over here.  Didn't get what you meant until I reread my reply.

It's 4 am over here so I'm not sure I'm making sense, either.


Also, the game's not gold yet, after all.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 13 février 2012 - 03:07 .

[slimgrin]

So, there's same sex romance in Dragon's Dogma, an old school action RPG from Capcom. Does that hold any interest for the folks in this thread? It intrigued me cause I ponder the differences between Capcom and Bioware. I know what to expect from Bioware, but Capcom is a wild card.

[jeweledleah]

1. Shepard can be bi. romances close off for heteroshepard as well.
2. when a monogamous bisexual person starts dating, they don't change their sexuality to gay or straight just because they are dating a single person of a specific gender.
3. I know for a fact that at least Tali acknowledges if male Shepard who romanced her, goes for Steve. I don't see why she would be the only one.
4. ME Li's seem to be largely of a monogamous variety, so threesomes won't happen regardless of sexuality, not becasue of it. they just don't like to share. period.
5. Shepard's virginity is ambiguous and entirely up to the player. if you want to play your Shepard as a virgin - you can do so. if you want to play Shepard as someone who simply haven't found anyone to date, recently (which is what the conversation seems to be about), but was a serial dater prior - you can do so. the background is very vague precisely to give people ability to decide what their Shepards are like.
6. i cannot think of any right now. oh yes. I'm a pessimist by nature. but some of you guys make me feel like I'm the happiest person alive.

[Collider]

slimgrin wrote...
So, there's same sex romance in Dragon's Dogma, an old school action RPG from Capcom. Does that hold any interest for the folks in this thread? It intrigued me cause I ponder the differences between Capcom and Bioware. I know what to expect from Bioware, but Capcom is a wild card.

That does make the game a little more interesting.

[Tietj]

Slimgrin, I did not know that! Very cool. The game has been on my radar for a while but with Mass Effect 3 so close to release, I haven't been following it too closely.

[SolidBeast]

slimgrin wrote...

So, there's same sex romance in Dragon's Dogma, an old school action RPG from Capcom. Does that hold any interest for the folks in this thread? It intrigued me cause I ponder the differences between Capcom and Bioware. I know what to expect from Bioware, but Capcom is a wild card.

That game totally slipped under my radar. Looks like a fairly mediocre game, but s/s romance definitely has me intrigued.

[Ryzaki]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

There are probably more 29-30 year old virgins than you think in the world. Not everyone lives in a society that pressures people to have as much sex as possible.

Gotta love the assumptions people make about what someone else thinks. Spare me.

Plus...what does pressure have to do with it? By 30 one would have expected Shepard to have relationships and with those relationships would've come romance. Shep's not some blushing teenager at that point. He/She is a decorated soldier with major campaigns under his/her belt. He/she obviously has time for relationships (friendly at the very least because he/she is a friend to Anderson no matter how the player feels like it) before ME1 even starts. And not to burst your "my society is better than yours" bubble but the average person (regardless of country) loses their virginity before 30. So spare me.

Never said it was impossible for Shepard to remain a virgin. I'm just not seeing it as likely (especially not with some of Shep's backgrounds. Hi there Earthborn). And yes I do have one virgin Shep. (well one other than my asexual Shep). Unlikely ! Impossible folks.

Damned hard (to me anyway) equals extremely unlikely.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2012 - 03:31 .

[slimgrin]

Collider wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
So, there's same sex romance in Dragon's Dogma, an old school action RPG from Capcom. Does that hold any interest for the folks in this thread? It intrigued me cause I ponder the differences between Capcom and Bioware. I know what to expect from Bioware, but Capcom is a wild card.

That does make the game a little more interesting.

My criticism of Bioware's take on same sex romance aside, It seems they have set a precedent. I wasn't expecting same sex romance in Skyrim...but there it was. Then Capcom adopts it as well. Overall it's a positive development.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 février 2012 - 03:24 .

[Blacklash93]

slimgrin wrote...

So, there's same sex romance in Dragon's Dogma, an old school action RPG from Capcom. Does that hold any interest for the folks in this thread? It intrigued me cause I ponder the differences between Capcom and Bioware. I know what to expect from Bioware, but Capcom is a wild card.

I don't know what to think about that, really. It makes the game appeal to a little more, but not nearly enough for me to buy it. I've given up on most J(A)RPG's.

I'm also a little wary about how they'll handle it. I'm not assuming anything or saying I think Japan is big on stereotypes, but I just have no idea about Japan's ideas of non-hetero people and how that might bleed into the game's S/S characters. Again, not saying I expect an Eastern game to churn out some offensive stereotype, I just don't know what to expect. It'll be intersting to see it play out.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 février 2012 - 03:44 .

[shepskisaac]

slimgrin wrote...

My criticism of Bioware's take on same sex romance aside, It seems they have set a precedent.

They contributed alot, perhaps the most, but let's not forget they weren't the only ones. Fable had same sex romances from the beginning in 2004, there was also Bully, Fallout 2, The Sims, and more recently Skyrim. It all added up and helped and I'm glad it's almost practically a standard now in the industry.

[ElitePinecone]

Shepard's backstory is ambiguous enough that you could plausibly make either a serial heartbreaker or an insecure person work.

There are ten, fifteen years for Shepard to have prior relationships if the player wants to imagine them.

I don't see why Bioware has to make anything explicit.

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Shepard's backstory is ambiguous enough that you could plausibly make either a serial heartbreaker or an insecure person work.

There are ten, fifteen years for Shepard to have prior relationships if the player wants to imagine them.

I don't see why Bioware has to make anything explicit.

Or someone who is so often seeing people he loves die that he doesn't dare get too close to anyone. Hi there Colonist/Sole Survivor/Only Two survivors during the SM Shep.

[Abispa]

Thanks for the update, Slimgrin. As for whether or not it will make me more likely to buy the game? Not really. I had no intention of buying it before, and the mere fact that they are going to allow s/s romance won't change my mind. What WILL change my mind is if I hear nothing by good things about the game itself from players I know and respect, as well as reviews from the (very few after DA2) publications I trust.

Expanded s/s options did NOT "save" a deeply flawed DA2 (I give it thumbs up overall, but I can't deny it is wanting in many areas). And more romances aren't going to make ME3 a better game if Bioware fails to deliver on the action/adventure aspects of the game.

[ElitePinecone]

Ryzaki wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Shepard's backstory is ambiguous enough that you could plausibly make either a serial heartbreaker or an insecure person work.

There are ten, fifteen years for Shepard to have prior relationships if the player wants to imagine them.

I don't see why Bioware has to make anything explicit.

Or someone who is so often seeing people he loves die that he doesn't dare get too close to anyone. Hi there Colonist/Sole Survivor/Only Two survivors during the SM Shep.

Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of ways you can plausibly think of Shepard being reluctant to romance anybody. 

No 'roleplaying' of a character is ever going to give the player infinite malleability (some parts of Shep's personality seem concrete) but there are enough gaps to convincingly do things.

I just think the idea that Bioware are *mandating* (pun intended) gay!Shep being a virgin in ME3 is nonsense. Nothing in the dialogue indicates it. 

Steve's line is "So, as far as I know, you've never been romantically involved with anyone."

As far as he knows. Which is, at most, going back to Shep's time serving on the original Normandy. There's about ten years before that to get up to all sorts of interesting things.

Not to mention some of the backgrounds (you know what they say about Mindoir...)

[Knightly_BW]

I like how Cortez look. He looks hot and regular. Not pretty boy like Kaidan or jock like Vega.

However I can't help but wonder why Bioware insist all LIs in ME series must have black hair. So far Yeoman Chambers only exception to that rule which ain't a full LI (depending on what I hear about her, just started a new f!Shep run to romance with Chambers).

I can't remember to many... well don't remember any blonde person in ME 2. In contrast with DA where all male LIs are blonde/white haired (and red haired if you count beautiful Ser Gilmore mod).