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[ReveurIngenu]

Ryzaki wrote...

Gotta love the assumptions people make about what someone else thinks. Spare me.

Plus...what does pressure have to do with it? By 30 one would have expected Shepard to have relationships and with those relationships would've come romance. Shep's not some blushing teenager at that point. He/She is a decorated soldier with major campaigns under his/her belt. He/she obviously has time for relationships (friendly at the very least because he/she is a friend to Anderson no matter how the player feels like it) before ME1 even starts. And not to burst your "my society is better than yours" bubble but the average person (regardless of country) loses their virginity before 30. So spare me.

Never said it was impossible for Shepard to remain a virgin. I'm just not seeing it as likely (especially not with some of Shep's backgrounds. Hi there Earthborn). And yes I do have one virgin Shep. (well one other than my asexual Shep). Unlikely ! Impossible folks.

Damned hard (to me anyway) equals extremely unlikely.

Wow, surprised at this agressive reaction.  You should probably take your own advice instead of getting all worked up about something so small.  I was not tyring to imply that "my" society was better than "your"
society but simply pointing out the fact that it is quite a simplistic
view to believe that everyone would have had sex by 30.

What I meant to say is that while in modern society, we expect a 30 year old to have had sex, I'm certain there still exists a lot of people that are still virgins at this age.  And my comment about societal pressures to have sex was to illustrate how in western societies, that you are considered a sad case if you still haven't had sex by a certain age (movies like 40 year old virgin; that one Friends episode with the alternate reality, if Rachel had gotten married to Barry, if Monica was still fat, etc), which makes people have sex just for the sake of it (Rachel's "Just do it" comment), and that such pressure is not felt everywhere in the world, thus certainly leading to a higher percentage of 30 year old virgins in the world than you would think.

Your comment (the one I was replying to) clearly indicated that you felt it would be hard for Shepard to be a virgin simply because of his age.  Your next reply (where you constantly tell me to "spare you") is a more thorough explanation of why you feel Shepard would not be a virgin, but this certainly was not a view I could have seen in your "He's 30, how could he still be a virgin" argument.

My reply was simply to say that such a reasoning is quite simplistic.  Don't know how you got a "I'm better than you" interpretation <_<.

Modifié par ReveurIngenu, 13 février 2012 - 10:18 .

[Finis Valorum]

SolidBeast wrote...

Like I said, too many romances, too many variables, not enough resources.

Yet there's enough resources for Chobot.

ElitePinecone wrote...

There are ten, fifteen years for Shepard to have prior relationships if the player wants to imagine them.

I don't see why Bioware has to make anything explicit.

By that reasoning Shepard could already be gay because there's fan fiction making him so, no, I just want some acknowledgement within the game, that doesn't require me to profess an attraction to a character I don't find the least bit attractive.

Because if you do nothing the game already makes ManSheps heterosexuality quite explicit.

Asperius wrote...

I like how Cortez look. He looks hot and regular. Not pretty boy like Kaidan or jock like Vega.

Everyone else gets to have at least someone pretty so why can't I? Why should I be ecstatic about average looks (with really ugly facial hair) while everyone else gets their pick of quite guys or gals.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 13 février 2012 - 10:47 .

[SolidBeast]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Like I said, too many romances, too many variables, not enough resources.

Yet there's enough resources for Chobot.

Yes, but you could just as easily replace "Chobot" with anything. There's enough resources for weapon customization. There's enough resources for new enemy types. BioWare wanted weapon customization in their game and for some reason they wanted Chobot. I never said I was fine with it, hell, I would ditch the entire ridiculous EDI subplot, but apparently BioWare decided it's important. Perhaps it was of the same relevance as romance confrontations on the priority list, but it just got implemented sooner and there were no resources available to put the confrontations in as well. You can't put everything in.
As for s/s content, we've known it's low on the list for years now. It is what it is.
I never said I'm cool with that and I'm never one to be satisfied with crumbs, but it's where things are and there's no use in whining about it.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 13 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[Finis Valorum]

SolidBeast wrote...

Yes, but you could just as easily replace "Chobot" with anything.

No you can't Chobot is a fling/romance all of the other things you've mentioned are not and are available to enjoyed by everyone regardless of whether or not you pursue any romance subplots.
Good call about EDI though, seems even Joker's love life gets more love than gay Shepard.

As for the crumbs when you consider the whole trilogy we already get crumbs, but even when talking just about ME3 we do already get less choice than even f/f because they get both Sam and Chobot as entirely new options in addition to Liara and Kelly (who has apparently also been upgraded to be less of a fling and more of a proper romance).
But if Sam does get a unique face and look then Steve is definitely crumbs even among the s/s exclusives.

[bas_kon]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Yes, but you could just as easily replace "Chobot" with anything.

No you can't Chobot is a fling/romance all of the other things you've mentioned are not and are available to enjoyed by everyone regardless of whether or not you pursue any romance subplots.
Good call about EDI though, seems even Joker's love life gets more love than gay Shepard.

As for the crumbs when you consider the whole trilogy we already get crumbs, but even when talking just about ME3 we do already get less choice than even f/f because they get both Sam and Chobot as entirely new options in addition to Liara and Kelly (who has apparently also been upgraded to be less of a fling and more of a proper romance).
But if Sam does get a unique face and look then Steve is definitely crumbs even among the s/s exclusives.

Don't be such a pessimist man, I'm still hopeful we'll get Kaidan as well as Steve (not sure about Vega, though).
It just doesn't make sense to make a new romance just for not imported femsheps, since ME2, and ME femsheps already had the opportunity to flag the romance in game, by the comic or by default and thus, access to the content.
Plus, there's the fact that new players can choose to have Kaidan alive with m!shep just when s/s are in the game but in ME2 he was always dead by default.

[SolidBeast]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Yes, but you could just as easily replace "Chobot" with anything.

No you can't Chobot is a fling/romance all of the other things you've mentioned are not and are available to enjoyed by everyone regardless of whether or not you pursue any romance subplots.

Don't take my words out of context. It's not about Chobot being Chobot, it's about the content BioWare wanted in their game. I can put that same sentence like this:
"Chobot is available to be enjoyed by everyone regardless of whether or not you decide to customize your weapons."

As for the crumbs when you consider the whole trilogy we already get crumbs, but even when talking just about ME3 we do already get less choice than even f/f because they get both Sam and Chobot as entirely new options in addition to Liara and Kelly (who has apparently also been upgraded to be less of a fling and more of a proper romance).
But if Sam does get a unique face and look then Steve is definitely crumbs even among the s/s exclusives.

Yes, we already get crumbs, I didn't say otherwise. I'm not satisfied with that, but obviously, the battle was lost and that's where we're at. It isn't fair, and if we indeed end up with just Steve, while femShep gets 4 LIs, I will be pissed and I will voice my dissatisfaction on these forums.
But I will not make judgements on content that already is in the game that I haven't even experienced yet. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child wanting a cat for a pet, getting a bird instead and then throwing a hissy fit and refusing to even look at it, much to the disappointment of all the adults around him.

[Game_Fan_85]

I cracked and downloaded the demo today and played it a few times. It was fantastic but only made me wish it was already March. It was too short, I just wanted it to keep going! I still can't judge Cortez properly because you get 2 distant shots of him at the beginning and those shots on the Normandy which are too far away and VERY quick. I'm guessing the person at the beginning of the demo is Samantha, it seems like the focus is on her and Cortez looks like a mute extra in the background. I really liked that they gave Shepard some actual Human emotion at the beginning, I don't remember anything similar in the first 2 games.

The facial features of Shepard look better than 2, especially the facial hair but the actual animation is still pretty much the same. But it IS Unreal3 after all so one can't expect miracles I didn't notice any wonky cross-eyed, eyes half closed action going on though so that's a big plus. Having finally played the Pinnacle Station DLC yesterday I was reminded of those horrible eyes which were much worse than ME2. Not to mention the dog of an engine the first game had. Trying to play the final survival mission which is basically run'n'gun was near impossible. I would love a re-release on the 360 with ME3's engine or a PS3 version which I highly doubt is possible due to MS's involvement in the first game. No doubt EA would've released it by now if it was possible.

bas_kon wrote...

Plus, there's the fact that new players
can choose to have Kaidan alive with m!shep just when s/s are in the
game but in ME2 he was always dead by default.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

He is dead if you choose the "numerous" option though so BW still found a way to kill him off 

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 13 février 2012 - 01:33 .

[Gaidukk]

I am homophobe and even the possibility of same -sex romans seriously offends me. I think Shepard can't be a gay - he must a man.

Modifié par Gaidukk, 13 février 2012 - 01:22 .

[Gaidukk]

But a girl on girl action seems to be nice...

Modifié par Gaidukk, 13 février 2012 - 01:23 .

[Game_Fan_85]

Gaidukk wrote...

I am homophobe and even the possibility of same -sex romans seriously offends me. I think Shepard can't be a gay - he must a man.

Well he is "a gay" so offend away!  There will be thousands of homoSheps running around. 

[Finis Valorum]

Gaidukk wrote...

I am homophobe and even the possibility of same -sex romans seriously offends me. I think Shepard can't be a gay - he must a man.

Lucky for you then that EA and Bioware seem to be in tacit agreement with you since if Game_Fan is right, Steve just seems to be an afterthought so they could focus on Samantha and hawt lesbian action.

[Gaidukk]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Gaidukk wrote...

I am homophobe and even the possibility of same -sex romans seriously offends me. I think Shepard can't be a gay - he must a man.

Well he is "a gay" so offend away!  There will be thousands of homoSheps running around. 

If you correct, ME death for me.

[SolidBeast]

Gaidukk wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Gaidukk wrote...

I am homophobe and even the possibility of same -sex romans seriously offends me. I think Shepard can't be a gay - he must a man.

Well he is "a gay" so offend away!  There will be thousands of homoSheps running around. 

If you correct, ME death for me.

He is correct. Have fun with another game, then.

[Ricvenart]

Like they aren't going to get enough opposition for these "crumbs", without those it's for having a go at them for a multitude of other things including him having facial hair...I mean, really? Every person you ever date undergo major plastic surgery and get shaved by you daily to you're exact design?

Sure I'd prefer Kaidan as a s/s romance choice for many reasons but most of all his story, I wouldn't mind Joker either for the same reason, he's an interesting character and no less valid because he isn't a permanant squadmate, he plays an important role. But regardless I'm grateful they've decided to include an option, they've opened thier doors to alot of hate for going beyond the stereotypical sci-fi fan and not giving into it. Nor do I feel it's entirely wrong because it's not done in a certain way or it shouldn't be because of it, I've never felt the need for my Shepard to go round screaming at every single person he meets that he's gay so unless you got a penis don't touch him, doesn't mean he's not, telling Kaidan before now would have been inappropriate anyway and just as pushy as Liara has been before.

Maybe you disagree with the inclusion of other lines couldn't have been replaced with many other things but how about the fact a s/s romance option could have been replaced with a multitude of other things, including many of the ME2 romances that are apparently getting limited screen time.

You really think you're going on about how much you hate his face, beard, lines you couldn't say in past games etc for page after page is going to make them do it that certain way (which by the way not everyone will agree with)? No they probably just won't bother. Frankly I wouldn't blame them at that point.
Edit: Especially when so much information you're going on isn't known yet, how about hating the extra effort Sam got over Steve when you've actually seen it? How about hating the Character and lines when you've experienced them and not just over how he looks? You're just being incredibly vapid, arguementative and picking holes in everything, it's not like the straight romances or story is hole free, why should m/m romances be "perfect" when the rest aren't really.

Modifié par Ricvenart, 13 février 2012 - 01:52 .

[SolidBeast]

Ricvenart wrote...

Like they aren't going to get enough opposition for these "crumbs", without those it's for having a go at them for a multitude of other things including him having facial hair...I mean, really? Every person you ever date undergo major plastic surgery and get shaved by you daily to you're exact design?

Laughed out loud. That image is hilarious.

[Tarahiro]

Gaidukk wrote...

I think Shepard can be a gay - he must do a man.

Fixed for you

[LiaraShepard]

uah, I think Cortez is...well, he's not my type of man. I really hope there's another s/s love interest. I'd be happy with both Kaidan and Vega, but Cortez look is quite boring (sorry for saying this). If he's the only male s/s option, I'll play with my fem shep. She has at least some good looking female characters to romance. I don't need someone ultra sexy, but at least a good looking or interesting face should they have. I can't find it in Cortez. But that's just my opinion.

[Finis Valorum]

Ricvenart wrote...

including many of the ME2 romances that are apparently getting limited screen time.

You really think you're going on about how much you hate his face, beard, lines you couldn't say in past games etc for page after page is going to make them do it that certain way (which by the way not everyone will agree with)? No they probably just won't bother. Frankly I wouldn't blame them at that point.

You'd have a point if they didn't go out of their way to include hot lesbian content, last time I checked lesbians get a fair amount of hate IRL too, yet they Bioware and EA do not seem to be afraid of that at all.
It's just male homosexuality they shy away from in this franchise, and it's not just the games (and predefined ManShep) it's the entire Mass Effect EU too.
Also supermodels like Vanderloo ain't supermodels for nothing, their looks generally appeal to a wide range of people, the looks of Steve on the other hand are rather plain and average. If they'd wanted to maximise the appeal of the s/s realtionship in ME3 they'd have gone for someone like Kaidan. They seem to have followed this philosophy with many of their other Li's to date but not with Mass Effects sole gay Li.

[Knightly_BW]

Everyone entitled to their opinion on physical look of Cortez, however to my memory he is first exclusive "gay" character in Bioware history, right?

We are not talking about guys turned into "bi" for fan service but a gay man who is world apart from stereotypes (pretty boys, gym bunnies, flamboyants, leather daddies etc.).

Tho' it is still too early to say something for certain before seeing him in live game.

[dazdaz28]

Well you might never know, they might change his look... :/ wishful thinking. I know for some people, looks are a big factor as to whether they like them, but we should really reserve our judgements for when the game arrives and then form an opinion on Cortez on his personality and if we like him for him. Looks isn't everything.

[bas_kon]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...
He is dead if you choose the "numerous" option though so BW still found a way to kill him off 

And you can also choose him to be the Virmire casualty explicitly. But new m!shep can still actually choose to have him instead of Ash unlike in ME2, that has to mean something, hasn't it?
Anyways, I hope they reveal their availability or someone gets the .tlk files soon, so I can quit reading the forums until realease and avoid unwanted spoilers.

Modifié par bas_kon, 13 février 2012 - 02:25 .

[bigbrowncows]

For what it's worth I think throwing your toys out of the pram before we've even seen what he has to offer is pretty silly. ElitePincone has said several times that Steve is a well developed character and his dialogue and story involvement is gonna be the most important thing. I like his look but maybe I'm just lucky in that way. Maybe we'll be surprised and get Kaidan too but if not its not the end of the world. So the ratio of m/m and f/f is way off - I understand that people are annoyed at that but until we know for certain there's no point complaining.
A lot of the squad mates in ME2 really didn't have any huge importance to the storyline (other than extra missions to recruit them) so I don't think having a squad member LI is that important. Joker is one of the most entertaining and consistent characters in the games and he never leaves the ship but loads of people would like to romance him.
But like I said until the game is released or BW release more info (please, BW, release more info!) then why get riled over something that may not happen...?

[SolidBeast]

dazdaz28 wrote...

Well you might never know, they might change his look... :/ wishful thinking. I know for some people, looks are a big factor as to whether they like them, but we should really reserve our judgements for when the game arrives and then form an opinion on Cortez on his personality and if we like him for him. Looks isn't everything.

Not a chance. The game has gone gold. What's done is done.

[dazdaz28]

Oh... well we'll just have to see what he is like in the game and hopefully we will all like him.

[LiaraShepard]

Well, I don't need a pretty boy, but Cortez is really not my type, and that's although I'm very tolerant in those things. But I wouldn't date everyone in real life, and so I won't in video games. Of course I could like him as a "friend", but I want to play the way I feel. And the first impression (mostly the appearance) is truly important. I don't want to sound superficial, because the character is also very important. But only look or only character is like loving the half person.

By the way; Is it possible to find out who's available as an s/s love interest with the demo files? I'd be curious if Steve is the only same sex option. (I know, he's the only gay character, but maybe other ones are at least bisexual)