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[dazdaz28]

From the demo, I think Kaidan is bi, and according to the leaked script, it looks like James is bi. Not sure if its true but its a possibility.

[Finis Valorum]

dazdaz28 wrote...
 
Looks isn't everything.

No but it is very important to me especially in a video game.
If they wanted video games and more particularly CRPG's to be based on personality they'd have had virtually no need to move on from the interactive stories with walls of text from the 80's.
Video games are a visual experience and therefore I just want to be able romance someone who looks nice to me.
Also Mass effect is a game that prides itself on choice, except apparently the choice to play a gay man that is.
If I could finally approach Kaidan and he still rejects ManShep, so be it, but when a cute guy in real life gives me some of the signals Kaidan gives MShep, you can bet, I'd at least try to flirt with him, yet ManShep doesn't even get the option to do even that.

I will add that looks would have been less of an issue for me if Bioware didn't make ME2 and most likely ME3 as well so difficult to mod.

[Knightly_BW]

LiaraShepard wrote...

Well, I don't need a pretty boy, but Cortez is really not my type, and that's although I'm very tolerant in those things. But I wouldn't date everyone in real life, and so I won't in video games. Of course I could like him as a "friend", but I want to play the way I feel. And the first impression (mostly the appearance) is truly important. I don't want to sound superficial, because the character is also very important. But only look or only character is like loving the half person.

By the way; Is it possible to find out who's available as an s/s love interest with the demo files? I'd be curious if Steve is the only same sex option. (I know, he's the only gay character, but maybe other ones are at least bisexual)

I can understand you very well. Luckily this time I like m/m option. There is no force on earth can make me play Anders romance (tho' other than his looks I didn't like his personality since his opening line on the Awakenings).

I prefer playing M/F or F/F romances if they are well written or fun than M/M ones. That is why I ended up with Isabela on my all Hawkes. First played all and decided she is the best one and all my current saves romanced with her male or female. Her pouncing on Hawke is hot!!

Modifié par Asperius, 13 février 2012 - 02:39 .

[Game_Fan_85]

Finis Valorum wrote...

You'd have a point if they didn't go out of their way to include hot lesbian content, last time I checked lesbians get a fair amount of hate IRL too, yet they Bioware and EA do not seem to be afraid of that at all.
It's just male homosexuality they shy away from in this franchise, and it's not just the games (and predefined ManShep) it's the entire Mass Effect EU too.
Also supermodels like Vanderloo ain't supermodels for nothing, their looks generally appeal to a wide range of people, the looks of Steve on the other hand are rather plain and average. If they'd wanted to maximise the appeal of the s/s realtionship in ME3 they'd have gone for someone like Kaidan. They seem to have followed this philosophy with many of their other Li's to date but not with Mass Effects sole gay Li.

Come on man, is it really just LOOKS that are important for a character in a GAME?  I had a similar reaction to Zevran when I played DA Origins and discovered my male character could romance him.  I had no idea about that stuff when I bought it as ME was the first BioWare game I played and only bought DAO because of ME, despite hating Western RPGs. That is something BioWare has changed. 

When I saw Zevran I thought "ehh", he was a bit girly for me and ugh, long hair.  When I got into the game though I really liked him because of his character and personallity as well as his story.  I even grew to like his looks because of his personality.

I did hate that the male s/s person's great love was a Female while the Female s/s's great love was a woman.

I think Cortez looks fine from what I can make out of him, it will be his character, personality and storyline that determines how much I like him.  Those things are the reason I romanced Jack in my first ME2 playtrhough, I didin't think s/s content would ever be added to ME so I wasn't waiting for a male character.

[LiaraShepard]

dazdaz28 wrote...

From the demo, I think Kaidan is bi, and according to the leaked script, it looks like James is bi. Not sure if its true but its a possibility.

hopefully, both of them are bi. is it possible to read the script files from the demo as well?

[Game_Fan_85]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Lucky for you then that EA and Bioware seem to be in tacit agreement with you since if Game_Fan is right, Steve just seems to be an afterthought so they could focus on Samantha and hawt lesbian action.

I just had a thought.  The woman I am thinking is Sam looked a lot like Kelly, I haven't seen Sam so I could be wrong? 

dazdaz28 wrote...

From the demo, I think Kaidan is bi, and
according to the leaked script, it looks like James is bi. Not sure if
its true but its a possibility.

Kaidan says he "used to know" Shepard at the beginning of the demo, the way he says it sounds all sad and longing   That could just be me though.  Ashley just sounded normal if not a little happy.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 13 février 2012 - 02:47 .

[dazdaz28]

Are you sure you want to spoil the surprise for yourself of playing and finding things out during the game. I mean some of the stuff on it might be outdated but its closest thing we have to the game before it comes out.

[LiaraShepard]

Asperius wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...

Well, I don't need a pretty boy, but Cortez is really not my type, and that's although I'm very tolerant in those things. But I wouldn't date everyone in real life, and so I won't in video games. Of course I could like him as a "friend", but I want to play the way I feel. And the first impression (mostly the appearance) is truly important. I don't want to sound superficial, because the character is also very important. But only look or only character is like loving the half person.

By the way; Is it possible to find out who's available as an s/s love interest with the demo files? I'd be curious if Steve is the only same sex option. (I know, he's the only gay character, but maybe other ones are at least bisexual)

I can understand you very well. Luckily this time I like m/m option. There is no force on earth can make me play Anders romance (tho' other than his looks I didn't like his personality since his opening line on the Awakenings).

I prefer playing M/F or F/F romances if they are well written or fun than M/M ones. That is why I ended up with Isabela on my all Hawkes. First played all and decided she is the best one and all my current saves romanced with her male or female. Her pouncing on Hawke is hot!!

hehe, I ended up with her too. She was sexy, open minded, funny, laid back and had a good story line. I used to hate her disposition to polygamy, but well...that's part of her personality. I came even to an arrangement with this, because the character was to loveable in general. But I'd still prefer an Isabela who doesn't want sex with zevran while being in a relationship with me. x.x

[Tietj]

Oh my god, people, quit whining about how Bioware is doing the gay community a huge injustice because you don't like facial hair! Complain about the way Cortez looks if you must, but don't extract "Bioware hates gay people!" from it, it sounds whiny, ungrateful, and shallow.

[LiaraShepard]

dazdaz28 wrote...

Are you sure you want to spoil the surprise for yourself of playing and finding things out during the game. I mean some of the stuff on it might be outdated but its closest thing we have to the game before it comes out.

I just hoped there is someone who already read it. I don't want to have story revealing spoilers, but it's anything but easy to wait until march, since I'm so curious about the romances. I know, it sounds silly, but I love romances in video games.

[SolidBeast]

dazdaz28 wrote...

From the demo, I think Kaidan is bi, and according to the leaked script, it looks like James is bi. Not sure if its true but its a possibility.

Could just be Ashley's animations.

dazdaz28 wrote...

Are you sure you want to spoil the
surprise for yourself of playing and finding things out during the game.
I mean some of the stuff on it might be outdated but its closest thing
we have to the game before it comes out.

I'm not sure I want to spend the entire game trying to woo Kaidan. The amount of times I talked to Alistair the first time I played because I was sure he was gay is ridiculous.

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Kaidan says he "used to know" Shepard at the beginning of the demo, the way he says it sounds all sad and longing [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]  That could just be me though.  Ashley just sounded normal if not a little happy.

God, don't remind me. That was too hot. And they tell me I'm a sadist.

[Finis Valorum]

Tietj wrote...

Oh my god, people, quit whining about how Bioware is doing the gay community a huge injustice because you don't like facial hair! Complain about the way Cortez looks if you must, but don't extract "Bioware hates gay people!" from it, it sounds whiny, ungrateful, and shallow.

Well the ME dev team at least doesn't really like us that's for sure, If you have any doubts about that there's lot's of little hints scattered all over the ME universe, like Nef on Omega or Hendel's straightification treatment in the latest novel, or you could just read this, http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9026170 straight from the horse's mouth.

To me it seems they still consider MShep predefined as straight and
flirtatious by default (but not so for FemShep),so even romancing Steve
would make him at most bisexual.

The more I think about the more I'm actually beginning to believe Dietz's statement that maybe he really did coordinate with Casey Hudson and other senior people at Bioware/EA quite intensively.

SolidBeast wrote...

I'm not sure I want to spend the
entire game trying to woo Kaidan. The amount of times I talked to
Alistair the first time I played because I was sure he was gay is ridiculous.

There's also this, I want to know if I should really waste that much time on Kaidan this time around or if I can just ignore him or even space him at the earliest possible opportunity.
Even if Kaidan's gayness/bisexuality comes from him either sharing animations made for Ashley or bits of FemShep scenes with ManShep, I  refuse to believe that Bioware can be entirely oblivious to the effect it has on some of us.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 13 février 2012 - 03:12 .

[Russalka]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Well the ME dev team at least doesn't really like us that's for sure, If you have any doubts about that there's lot's of little hints scattered all over the ME universe, like Nef on Omega or Hendel's straightification treatment in the latest novel, or you could just read this, http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9026170 straight from the horse's mouth.

The writer just did not pay attention to the details, and things have clearly changed since Hudson said that.

It seems a bit excessive to make a that big a deal out of Cortez not submitting to your beauty standards.

Modifié par Russalka, 13 février 2012 - 03:12 .

[Tietj]

Yeah, you're crazy, buddy. Why even support the company by buying the game, then?

[Game_Fan_85]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Well the ME dev team at least doesn't really like us that's for sure, If you have any doubts about that there's lot's of little hints scattered all over the ME universe, like Nef on Omega or Hendel's straightification treatment in the latest novel, or you could just read this, http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9026170 straight from the horse's mouth.

I remember reading those comments arouned or before the release of ME2 about Shepard being "defined" and so of course being a big tough military guy, there was no way he could be a sissy gay boy (my take on the comments of course).  It really pi**ed me off at the time but I got over it.  The reason it pi**ed me off so much is becuase of the whole Asari bull****.  Because of the previous comments and such, they never had to do what they have done with ME3 but they did.  I think the BIGGER deal is that they have made 2 gay characters, not bi, not Shepsexual, gay.  I never thought that would happen because they always said it takes too many resources for a small % of players blah blah.  I think they should be highly applauded for it.

SolidBeast wrote...


I'm not sure I want to spend the
entire game trying to woo Kaidan. The amount of times I talked to
Alistair the first time I played because I was sure he was gay is ridiculous.

How could anyone NOT think Alistair was gay, that was a cruel trick BioWare played.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 13 février 2012 - 03:39 .

[dazdaz28]

Heres the link to the leaked script on the gay/bi romances, if you don't want to ruin it for yourself, look away.

http://dana-duchovny.livejournal.com/

Modifié par dazdaz28, 13 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[Finis Valorum]

Tietj wrote...

Yeah, you're crazy, buddy. Why even support the company by buying the game, then?

Because playing FemShep still gets me a decent story, but that doesn't negate the fact that I would really like to be able to play ManShep as anything other then straight and flirtatious since I generally like prefer playing male characters.
That's not to say I don't roll a female character every once in a while just to explore some different options, but the way ManShep is currently presented in game is less than satisfactory to me and I know this company can do better since it has done so in the past, with DA and even BG (yes you cannot be gay there without mods either but neither are you required to be straight and flirtatious by default).

[SolidBeast]

dazdaz28 wrote...

Heres the link to the leaked script on the gay/bi romances, if you don't want to ruin it for yourself, look away.

http://dana-duchovny.livejournal.com/

Yeah, we've already gone through that, there is nothing that concretely suggests anyone else is s/s romanceable other than Cortez. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

[LiaraShepard]

SolidBeast wrote...

dazdaz28 wrote...

Heres the link to the leaked script on the gay/bi romances, if you don't want to ruin it for yourself, look away.

http://dana-duchovny.livejournal.com/

Yeah, we've already gone through that, there is nothing that concretely suggests anyone else is s/s romanceable other than Cortez. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

well, If kaidan was bi there would be at least one dialogue option that refers to his bisexual feelings towards shepard....otherwise it wouldn't make much sense to suddenly fall in love with the same gender.  Even Anders had one line.

Modifié par LiaraShepard, 13 février 2012 - 03:29 .

[Finis Valorum]

SolidBeast wrote...

Yeah, we've already gone through that, there is nothing that concretely suggests anyone else is s/s romanceable other than Cortez. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

Indeed the only thing it suggests is that the lines triggering the new romances are gender neutral but the rest of Kaidan's scenes (havent looked at Vega yet) seem to suggest it's only for FemShep, he reacts to Thane, Garrus and Jacob but not to Miranda and Jack or Tali. So unless Kaidan is only bi if you haven't triggered any romance flags at all in any of the previous him being available seems rather unlikely at this point.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 13 février 2012 - 03:36 .

[LiaraShepard]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Yeah, we've already gone through that, there is nothing that concretely suggests anyone else is s/s romanceable other than Cortez. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

Indeed the only thing it suggests is that the lines triggering the new romances are gender neutral but the rest of Kaidan's scenes (havent looked at Vega yet) seem to suggest it's only for FemShep, he reacts to Thane and Jacob but not to Miranda and Jack or Tali. So unless Kaidan is only bi if you haven't triggered any romance flags at all in any of the previous him being available seems rather unlikely at this point.

oh nooo It really seems like an evidence that he's not an option. damn!

[Tietj]

Finis, you're just saying things that aren't true. You don't need to play through the game as straight and flirtatious, even if you're celibate. Gay guys hug women sometimes. To be honest, whenever Liara hugs Shepard I laugh at how effeminate he looks. Not to mention that you can play as a gay guy, even a celibate one, in ME3. If you have to become friends with someone you think is ugly first, so what? That's not Bioware being homophobic, that's Bioware expanding Shepards character because, maybe, they realized their mistake and are trying (successfully) to atone. There's no reason for you to be complaining as vociferously as you are; honestly if you weren't so sincere sounding I would think you were trolling; really, you sound ridiculous.

[bas_kon]

I'm starting to hate these forums <_<. One sec he is bi, the other one he isn't. They shoud just tell us he isn't and stop playing with us.

[SolidBeast]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Yeah, we've already gone through that, there is nothing that concretely suggests anyone else is s/s romanceable other than Cortez. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

Indeed the only thing it suggests is that the lines triggering the new romances are gender neutral but the rest of Kaidan's scenes (havent looked at Vega yet) seem to suggest it's only for FemShep, he reacts to Thane, Garrus and Jacob but not to Miranda and Jack or Tali. So unless Kaidan is only bi if you haven't triggered any romance flags at all in any of the previous him being available seems rather unlikely at this point.

You're wrong here. The only reason he mentions Thane and Jacob is in femShep's case, because she had the option to move on from him and pick one of them.

LiaraShepard wrote...

well, If kaidan was bi there would be at least one dialogue option that refers to his bisexual feelings towards shepard....otherwise it wouldn't make much sense to suddenly fall in love with the same gender.  Even Anders had one line.

See, I don't believe in this in real life and not in games. There is no reason why someone wouldn't suddenly fall in love with the same gender. In fact, there is no reason to think he wasn't bisexual the entire time, just never felt the need to bring it up. He could just say "I have feelings for you", without adding "even though we're both men" - I mean, no ****, Sherlock.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 13 février 2012 - 03:42 .

[Ricvenart]

Finis Valorum wrote...
You'd have a point if they didn't go out of their way to include hot lesbian content, last time I checked lesbians get a fair amount of hate IRL too, yet they Bioware and EA do not seem to be afraid of that at all.
It's just male homosexuality they shy away from in this franchise, and it's not just the games (and predefined ManShep) it's the entire Mass Effect EU too.
Also supermodels like Vanderloo ain't supermodels for nothing, their looks generally appeal to a wide range of people, the looks of Steve on the other hand are rather plain and average. If they'd wanted to maximise the appeal of the s/s realtionship in ME3 they'd have gone for someone like Kaidan. They seem to have followed this philosophy with many of their other Li's to date but not with Mass Effects sole gay Li.

F/F gets a (un)fair amount less hate then m/m, especially amoung the "typical" sci-fi fan, blame Queen Victoria if you like for hating gay men but refused to believe in lesbians.
Did they or did they not go out of thier way to include s/s? Is it or is it not hard for them to do right? You kept changing you're stance every time it suits your arguement of hating what has been given, you can't have it every which way.
As for the afterthought talk, you do realise everything aside from the Shepard-Reaper story could really be considered an after thought, unless of course the original writer just wanted to write a story of a interspecies romance, in which case we are all playing the wrong game. Sure M/M has been given considerably less thought til now then f/f or m/f  but that is what it is, they have done it now, they made him a relavant (but not major) character to the story.
Average is also less likely to offend anyone, not everyone likes supermodels, techinically speaking you're completely wrong on why they become models, it's about the clothes, how they look on them and how it makes people viewing them feel (They look so good I want to look like that, maybe if I spend £1000 on that dress and £500 on the make up I will etc) not nessicarily because they want to sleep with them.
Big deal he's average, it makes him human and relatable, btw plenty of male models have facial hair, including the face model for Kaidan.
Theres so many other things that apply to everyone in what they can't do, ie. You're Shepard can't not fall for the Executor's trap in ME1, I'm not that smart but even I saw that one coming, so my Shepard had to be less intelligent then me there.

I could say so much more on this but frankly I full well know I won't "win" here, I'm just saying could you dial back on the hate for it a bit, it's counter productive when our foot has only just got into the door, wait til you experience it and you should at least try it and if he comes across as a massively offensive stereotype, let loose. I'm going to leave it there for now, others have been doing this for so many pages now, asking you to not be negitive pointing out you have no evidence to base many of points on, giving reasons for various things but you are determind to be negative for the sake of it, frankly I'm beginning to get suspitions as to why.