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ElitePinecone wrote...

Asperius wrote..
My personal take on this matter mostly related to lead designers or in case of Star Wars or D&D, licence holding firms (Lucas Art or Wizards of the Coast). If Desing team for Project X wants to put S/S romance option I can't see Bioware leaders say "No! You can't". Even gay gamers are minority they are still exist so if they prefer/enjoy Bioware products they will stick to see their future games.

I agree - though I think it's a risk writing paragraphs about it here, when we don't actually know the internal processes that lie behind approving or rejecting S/S. 

We don't know how much the 'do we put in s/s romances' question is determined by:

a) The project lead (or, say, the writers)
Their bosses within the company
c) The publisher, who has an eye on the market

There are nuances here, and we don't know about them - we can guess, but we don't know, and we probably never will know. 

I do remember more than one source suggesting that in ME2, some writers had argued for s/s content but were overruled by their seniors within the company and/or EA, as the publisher. 

They aren't confirmed, but I trust the fan who first had the information. 

As I said that is purely my personal opinion not how things really work. Discussing it gives us a chance to expand our horizon. Post like yours giving me new things to ponder on. It is on larger scale than ME franchise or any single game.

I can't pass without saying, EA couldn't be one of the firms opposing S/S relationships in their games. If you pardon my saying, they have the gayest game of all times; The Sims (which is very successfull franchise if you ask me).  Tho' I could never achieved a Gaytown in Sims 3. Females keep popping around like mushrooms.

[Poison_Berrie]

Finis Valorum wrote...

According to the statistic being touted on these forums approximately 18% of Mass effect players even play FemShep.

The actual statistic was that 82% played maleshepard. If it's just a tally of how many players made a male character (per account) that means 18% played female Shepard exclusively rather than only 18% of all characters are female.

[Rane7685]

Its weird I just found out about this today and for the first time I dont think I like it. I support the inclusion but something about its sudden manifestation in the third game doesnt feel right. It feels like a disconnect particularly if they redefine pre-existing LIs to suddenly become homosexual. Perhaps I am jumping the gun. Im sure Bioware will incorporate sexuality into the game in a manner that feels organic to both the story and the manner in which the player has constructed their Shepard

[ElitePinecone]

Asperius wrote...
I can't pass without saying, EA couldn't be one of the firms opposing S/S relationships in their games. If you pardon my saying, they have the gayest game of all times; The Sims (which is very successfull franchise if you ask me).  Tho' I could never achieved a Gaytown in Sims 3. Females keep popping around like mushrooms.

They'd oppose it if the circumstances demand it. The Sims' target audience is *vastly* different to Mass Effect's. The Sims is also about building a family and households, not defeating ancient robots by shooting them in the face. 

It's not homophobic, and if there were proven to be ten million gay/lesbian shooter fans out there, every company would go crazy to put s/s content in their games. 

As much as I'm frustrated with executives for being so risk-averse, and then obfuscating to the point of farce, I do understand that they're wary about s/s content. Take one look at voice chat for your garden-variety shooter and it's full of homophobia, conscious and unconscious. 

Bioware are some of the best in the industry at doing stuff like this, but the people who bought KOTOR or Jade Empire or even Dragon Age are (I'd argue) generally different to the vast majority of people who play Mass Effect, especially its latest sequels. 

[Finis Valorum]

Rane7685 wrote...

Its weird I just found out about this today and for the first time I dont think I like it. I support the inclusion but something about its sudden manifestation in the third game doesnt feel right. It feels like a disconnect particularly if they redefine pre-existing LIs to suddenly become homosexual. Perhaps I am jumping the gun. Im sure Bioware will incorporate sexuality into the game in a manner that feels organic to both the story and the manner in which the player has constructed their Shepard

Don't worry, the only m/m romance in the entire franchise, is a completely new gay vanity romance, with a crewmember, and while it might feel organic in the story it'll never feel organic to me in how I have constructed all my ManSheps.
Bioware has listened to your concerns and all the characters you know and love from previous games will still be straight as an arrow.
But thank you for the token support anyway.

Poison_Berrie wrote...

The actual statistic was that 82%
played maleshepard. If it's just a tally of how many players made a
male character (per account) that means 18% played female Shepard
exclusively rather than only 18% of all characters are female.

Okay thanks for clearing that up, I must have read it wrong then. This does leave me wondering how many female players do play ManShep and what percentage of them might fall in the category of girls who'd like to see guys doing it.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Bioware are some of the best in
the industry at doing stuff like this, but the people who bought KOTOR
or Jade Empire or even Dragon Age are (I'd argue) generally different
to the vast majority of people who play Mass Effect, especially its
latest sequels. 

Yeah, I get it they'd like to draw in the GOW crowds, if I'd known this at the time of ME1, I would never have fallen into the trap of becoming invested in this franchise.
If this trend continues this will be last product with the Mass Effect label I'll buy, especially since it has only gone steadily downhill for PC players in general as well.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 14 février 2012 - 02:44 .

[SolidBeast]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Yeah, I get it they'd like to draw in GOW crowds, if I'd known this at the time of ME1, I would never have fallen into the trap of becoming invested in this franchise.

Are you saying enjoying the first two games was meaningless? Why play anything, then?

If this trend continues this will be last product with the Mass Effect label I'll buy, especially since it has only gone steadily downhill for PC players in general as well.

How so? I play on the PC and I prefer ME2's gameplay by an incredible amount.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 14 février 2012 - 02:44 .

[Ryzaki]

Only thing wrong with ME2 on PC is the lack of menu shortcuts and the low res textures on armor.

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

Only thing wrong with ME2 on PC is the lack of menu shortcuts and the low res textures on armor.

True. And I can't complain about the textures since I'm used to lowering graphics quality due to my outdated system.

[Finis Valorum]

SolidBeast wrote...

How so? I play on the PC and I prefer ME2's gameplay by an incredible amount.

Are you talking about the actual changes to things like the in game combat,inventory etc. because you can't deny the PC port was way worse in ME2, certainly interface wise, and in ME3 they're going to cripple us even further because of console hardware limitations, I wouldn't call that particularly well optimized. Furthermore, just like ME2 we can forget about getting high resolution textures as well, again.
And the best part of it is that we still get to pay the same price as the console editions even though it's way cheaper to release things on the PC, due to console developers not taking a hefty cut out of everything and with their Origin thingy it'll just be pure profit for them because they can even cut out the normal retailers.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 14 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[ElitePinecone]

SolidBeast wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

Yeah, I get it they'd like to draw in GOW crowds, if I'd known this at the time of ME1, I would never have fallen into the trap of becoming invested in this franchise.

Are you saying enjoying the first two games was meaningless? Why play anything, then?

This. 

There's a perverse sense of entitlement that people have about game franchises, it really frustrates me. 

Bioware could turn Mass Effect into a salarian cooking simulator tomorrow, and they'd be well within their rights. They owe their customers nothing except to produce a game for sale.

If we like it, we buy it. If we don't like it, we show them with horrible sales figures and they go back to the drawing board. 

At the end of the day nobody is forcing you to play ME3, and if you don't like it - don't play it. Certainly, saying stuff like "Bioware lured me in with RPG elements then changed the game to appeal to GOW players" is being ridiculous. If they'd known about the success of Gears from day one, and had wanted to make ME more like that franchise, they'd have done it. Every game is (in theory) the product of the vision its developers had for it. 

[SolidBeast]

Finis Valorum wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

How so? I play on the PC and I prefer ME2's gameplay by an incredible amount.

Are you talking about the actual changes to things like the in game combat,inventory etc. because you can't deny the PC port was way worse in ME2, certainly interface wise, and in ME3 they're going to cripple us even further because of console hardware limitations, I wouldn't call that particularly well optimized. Furthermore, just like ME2 we can forget about getting high resolution textures as well, again.

Yes, I am. And no, I don't agree. The inventory in ME1 was a nightmare. I'd cringe whenever I picked up a bunch of upgrades, which happened rougly... every 3 minutes. And how about that clunky aiming or the horrendous sticking-to-walls cover system? Even from an aesthetic perspective, ME2's interface is much more sleek, without those ugly squares when leveling up. I'd have to go in-game to remember, but I'm pretty sure I'm not even scratching the surface.

Also, I can't talk about the port itself because I don't own a console version, but if I had a blast playing the game on the PC, then the comparison doesn't matter.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 14 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[Ryzaki]

Yeah ME1's inventory was too much, ME2's was crap to me as well because there was pretty much nothing there.

The aiming didn't bother me (frankly preferred ME1's over ME2's where I constantly miss).

ME1's combat was more fun to me. ME2's was just agitating. They both had their fun moments though (like launching a Krogan with Lift or headshotting Harbinger mid sentence).

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah ME1's inventory was too much, ME2's was crap to me as well because there was pretty much nothing there.

The aiming didn't bother me (frankly preferred ME1's over ME2's where I constantly miss).

ME1's combat was more fun to me. ME2's was just agitating. They both had their fun moments though (like launching a Krogan with Lift or headshotting Harbinger mid sentence).

Huh. It's the other way around for me. In ME1, I feel like I'm not hitting anything, even when I am. In ME2, I keep headshotting enemies through the entire game.

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...
Huh. It's the other way around for me. In ME1, I feel like I'm not hitting anything, even when I am. In ME2, I keep headshotting enemies through the entire game.

Yeah well my hand likes to spazz on me so... Me1's was vastly preferred. At least then with enough points in the weapon all I had to do was aim in the general vicinity of the enemy I wanted to kill.

[bigbrowncows]

Coming to the Wii in Fall 2012 - Cooking with Mordin!

[Knightly_BW]

ElitePinecone wrote...


This. 

There's a perverse sense of entitlement that people have about game franchises, it really frustrates me. 

Bioware could turn Mass Effect into a salarian cooking simulator tomorrow, and they'd be well within their rights. They owe their customers nothing except to produce a game for sale.

If we like it, we buy it. If we don't like it, we show them with horrible sales figures and they go back to the drawing board. 

At the end of the day nobody is forcing you to play ME3, and if you don't like it - don't play it. Certainly, saying stuff like "Bioware lured me in with RPG elements then changed the game to appeal to GOW players" is being ridiculous. If they'd known about the success of Gears from day one, and had wanted to make ME more like that franchise, they'd have done it. Every game is (in theory) the product of the vision its developers had for it. 

Heh here I was thinking what the heck GOW is. I never played GOW. Infact I am the worst FPS shooter you can find (don't ask me how many bullet I spend to kill one target in Casual ME 2 ). Combine it with me not being interested in any Sci-fi product. Of course I watched Star Wars movies and Alien movies but they are movies on "cult" status (Also watched latest Star Trek movie but because of Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto ).

So I think that proves ME has something to offer my kinda guy after all. So much that I can pre-order ME 3 or thinking about adding ME1 to my game collection just for completing the series.

[devSin]

The inventory was awful. Beside being pointless (every manufacturer was crap except for one or maybe two in each category), it also made money meaningless when you could sell a ton of crap mods for upwards of 100K credits apiece. And the mod system was a headache to have to keep managing them for everybody.

I swear, having to run down to the vehicle bay and do the equipment shuffle at the lockers after every mission chews through a lot of time. And most of it isn't enjoyable. Talk about grind mechanics.

ME didn't bother me, but I think ME2 combat is far better. Not to mention headshots, which I seem unable to resist (I always go for the face).

[Ryzaki]

bigbrowncows wrote...

Coming to the Wii in Fall 2012 - Cooking with Mordin!

I would actually play this *

Well if I had a Wii.

[bigbrowncows]

Ryzaki wrote...

bigbrowncows wrote...

Coming to the Wii in Fall 2012 - Cooking with Mordin!

I would actually play this *

Well if I had a Wii.

I would buy one just for it.  That and The Miranda Lawson Interactive Workout...

[Finis Valorum]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah well my hand likes to spazz on me so... Me1's was vastly preferred. At least then with enough points in the weapon all I had to do was aim in the general vicinity of the enemy I wanted to kill.

This in large, part my characters skills should matter more than my own manual dexterity as it generally tends to make the game far more enjoyable for me. And having no decent keyboard shortcuts let alone key mapping will always remain some of the signs of a bad port to me, no matter what you say.

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...
Huh. It's the other way around for me. In ME1, I feel like I'm not hitting anything, even when I am. In ME2, I keep headshotting enemies through the entire game.

Yeah well my hand likes to spazz on me so... Me1's was vastly preferred. At least then with enough points in the weapon all I had to do was aim in the general vicinity of the enemy I wanted to kill.

bigbrowncows wrote...

Coming to the Wii in Fall 2012 - Cooking with Mordin!

Chemistry fun with Dr. Solus - 360 exclusive
Find creative ways to fix complications in cross-species sexual intercourse.
Day 1 DLC - Fornax
Collector's edition comes with printed copy.
Full Kinect support.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 14 février 2012 - 03:27 .

[Knightly_BW]

bigbrowncows wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

bigbrowncows wrote...

Coming to the Wii in Fall 2012 - Cooking with Mordin!

I would actually play this *

Well if I had a Wii.

I would buy one just for it.  That and The Miranda Lawson Interactive Workout...

Make it James Vega Interactive Workout and I would buy one too.

[bigbrowncows]

Yeah but on the Wii all you'd get is nipples through a sweaty tank top. I'd want my Vega workout to be one of the weird PC download only games where the fitter you get, the more he becomes undressed! Lol

Edit: plus if I could get Miri's ass I'd have no bother getting a real life Vega 

Modifié par bigbrowncows, 14 février 2012 - 03:41 .

[SolidBeast]

bigbrowncows wrote...

Yeah but on the Wii all you'd get is nipples through a sweaty tank top. I'd want my Vega workout to be one of the weird PC download only games where the fitter you get, the more he becomes undressed! Lol

But where's the fun if he starts out naked?

[Ryzaki]

@Solid: what's so funny?