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[Ammonite]

Asperius wrote...

Also Chobot and Kelly are already bi.

Since when was Diana Allers a safe bet as another s/s though? Last I heard the VA simply said she thought she was bi-romancable (and that she was going to romance herself lol).

[Chun Hei]

Criz-Zone wrote...

conclusion to the ME-Couples/ME3Demo/ValentinesDay series

You are awesome!

:happy:

[Ricvenart]

Asperius wrote...
And you are whining like a Quarian with tummy ache.

Let's hope my prediction is dead wrong.

Didn't think I was, if anything, trying to remain optmistic in spite of everything would be the exact opposite.

I hope you're wrong too, still even if you're not I've given myself a reason to go for Steve, Shepard torn over the love he can't have seeks comfort in the only option there.

And I don't buy into what they try to sell Liara as personally. Great she's available for everyone but it was made by humans for humans and no Asari who don't really exist, I just feel they are trying to sell it as something it's not. But then again it's no secret I'm far from liara biggest fan in general. Although if you take the Monogender thing on board and therefore it isn't a f/f relationship it can't be a m/m one either (aside from the physical form) or s/s period, it can't be had both ways (says someone that want's kaidan to take it both ways....).

Given they have a VA willing to do s/s and a situation where they can make it work, yeah I may be a bit preturb, but I'd deal. Be a different matter though if Steve ends up getting killed no matter what or the romances is tiny compared to all others, I get with him only now being introduced would likely have it seem smaller without forcing him into every scene but  that's not exactly what I mean.

@Criz-Zone: Don't think the suggestion of Shep riding on his massive head would be a suitable work round?

@Grumpy shepard: Personally I found it within acceptable conditions, I actually found Anderson to be more rude to my Shepard and a bit OOC, but like you I'm hoping in the full game a larger scene removes that feeling or provides a better context to make it flow more.

Sorry if that sounds more negative then it's meant.

[devSin]

Ricvenart wrote...

And I don't buy into what they try to sell Liara as personally.

I'm pretty sure it was a joke, with all the contortions that go on about how Liara isn't a woman so it can't be lesbian.

Ricvenart wrote...

Be a different matter though if Steve ends up getting killed no matter what or the romances is tiny compared to all others, I get with him only now being introduced would likely have it seem smaller without forcing him into every scene but  that's not exactly what I mean.

He sounded like he had cotton balls in his mouth when they were landing. I hope all his VO is not like that (and his one line before they land didn't sound the same way), although it'd probably turn out to be fine even if it were (or I'm just hearing crap). But still no chance of romance...

Ricvenart wrote...

@Grumpy shepard: Personally I found it within acceptable conditions, I actually found Anderson to be more rude to my Shepard and a bit OOC, but like you I'm hoping in the full game a larger scene removes that feeling or provides a better context to make it flow more.

Actually the third time through or so, it did grow on me a bit. It just wasn't the delivery I expected (or wanted), and a few of the lines were a bit cheesy. But it's not like that hasn't happened before.

I'm guessing the player gets a chance to "normalize" Shepard once you're back on the Normandy and can start having actual player-controlled conversations (they've said that this sequence is the actual start of the game, not a shortened run for the demo, so this is what you're going to get starting a new game and escaping Earth).

Modifié par devSin, 15 février 2012 - 12:26 .

[ElitePinecone]

Ricvenart wrote...
Didn't someone (from Bioware) Actually confirm there'd be at least 2 of each months ago. there's already more then 2 f/f and m/f but it's only one m/m so far.

Nope, nobody ever confirmed numbers - and Cortez + Sam are built up as 'the' s/s characters.

Re: the demo.

1. A lot of dialogue was cut for file space's sake - it was limited to 2gb.

2. The demo is played from the perspective of a 'new' Shepard. Imported saves will have different lines in many scenes, particularly with Anderson. 

[Abispa]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Ricvenart wrote...
Didn't someone (from Bioware) Actually confirm there'd be at least 2 of each months ago. there's already more then 2 f/f and m/f but it's only one m/m so far.

Nope, nobody ever confirmed numbers - and Cortez + Sam are built up as 'the' s/s characters.

Re: the demo.

1. A lot of dialogue was cut for file space's sake - it was limited to 2gb.

2. The demo is played from the perspective of a 'new' Shepard. Imported saves will have different lines in many scenes, particularly with Anderson. 

Interesting that this time around you get the good stuff by default, while in the ME2 game, pre-comic DLC, you got the worst possible set up with the fewest trimmings.

[Chun Hei]

This demo leaves me with SO MANY questions.

[coldSnap]

Chun Hei wrote...

This demo leaves me with SO MANY questions.

This. Love . Now.

[corky_g]

ElitePinecone wrote...

*snip*
...we don't actually know the internal processes that lie behind approving or rejecting S/S. 

We don't know how much the 'do we put in s/s romances' question is determined by:

a) The project lead (or, say, the writers)
Their bosses within the company
c) The publisher, who has an eye on the market

There are nuances here...

It's funny you bring this up, because I've always wondered if Microsoft being the publisher for ME1 had any bearing on the decision to exclude m/m options. I mean, the reasons given by BW have been contradictory at best, and I don't think we'll ever know the real reasons.

ME1 was my first BW game, but I've known about their history of inclusiveness. As I was first playing through it, I was so happy they'd included a gay character (Kaidan). When I had finished ME1 without getting the Kaidan romance achievenment, I was like "what did I do wrong?" and then hit up the google machine. To my surprise, he wasn't an option for mShep

After a while, and hearing more excuses, I started speculating that perhaps MS insisted on the removal of m/m options based on their core fanbase who are often perceived as homophobic frat boys. And I'm sure that if MS was the real reason, I doubt BW would ever ackowledge that (for obvious business reasons).

Of course, this theory is complete conjecture, but distinctly possible.

[Ryzaki]

Eh. Microsoft published JE as I recall. Can't blame them.

And Fable.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

For the first 2 games, they probably felt the demand just was not great enough, honestly.  Far less than Dragon Age based on the demographics (and that like 90% of the fanworks out there are FemShep). I'm still surprised they bothered to add it in.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 15 février 2012 - 02:47 .

[ElitePinecone]

It's.... practically impossible to find out why certain things weren't done.

We'll never, ever know, unless something leaks.

It's a complicated mix of what the developers want (is there motivation?), what they can do (are there enough resources?) and then whether the publisher accepts that.

I think it's a bit futile to speculate, since we know absolutely nothing - *but*, I had heard some things about the design process for ME2 that seemed to indicate planned s/s romances (or at least a push for them by some of the writers) was stymied by higher-ups within the company, or the publisher.

Again, that's a rumour.

[Ricvenart]

I wouldn't count fable in the same level as Bioware romances due to depth of the story put into them. Fable is closer to The Sims: Fantasy then any Bioware games romances.
I can't really explain what I mean, it's been over a year since I've touched a fable and my body might die if I tried, but I vaguely remember Reaver (voiced by Stephen Fry) seeming straighter in 3 then 2 and his open sexuality wasn't exactly brought up much in 2 to begin with.

[Ryzaki]

Ricvenart wrote...

I wouldn't count fable in the same level as Bioware romances due to depth of the story put into them. Fable is closer to The Sims: Fantasy then any Bioware games romances.
I can't really explain what I mean, it's been over a year since I've touched a fable and my body might die if I tried, but I vaguely remember Reaver (voiced by Stephen Fry) seeming straighter in 3 then 2 and his open sexuality wasn't exactly brought up much in 2 to begin with.

...Uh Reaver tried to invite my dude prince to his bed. I'm not sure how that's being straighter.

[erilben]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I think it's a bit futile to speculate, since we know absolutely nothing - *but*, I had heard some things about the design process for ME2 that seemed to indicate planned s/s romances (or at least a push for them by some of the writers) was stymied by higher-ups within the company, or the publisher.

Again, that's a rumour.

On another forum, Chris L'Etoile blamed it on Walmart. Apparently they were afraid ME2 would get pulled off Walmart's shelves, so they cut back on the same romance options. Dragon Age  gets away with it because no one calls attention to it like Fox News did to ME1.

[Finis Valorum]

erilben wrote...

On another forum, Chris L'Etoile blamed it on Walmart. Apparently they were afraid ME2 would get pulled off Walmart's shelves, so they cut back on the same romance options. Dragon Age  gets away with it because no one calls attention to it like Fox News did to ME1.

Guess Walmart is like queen Victoria then, because ME2 had a new same sex option as well.

[Ricvenart]

I think he did that too anyone though, but all the guests at the party of debauchery were all m/f couples, because of course m/m at an orgy would cause a complete up roar.
I just remember his opensexuality feeling even more so underplayed then it was in 2, like they suddenly wanted to sweep having a main story character willing to sleep with men under the rug so to speak.
But as I said it's been ages since I touched the game and have no desire to again, but the fact you're main character can marry a male doll compared to the story bioware puts into thier characters aren't really the same thing.

[Ryzaki]

Ricvenart wrote...

I think he did that too anyone though, but all the guests at the party of debauchery were all m/f couples, because of course m/m at an orgy would cause a complete up roar.
I just remember his opensexuality feeling even more so underplayed then it was in 2, like they suddenly wanted to sweep having a main story character willing to sleep with men under the rug so to speak.
But as I said it's been ages since I touched the game and have no desire to again, but the fact you're main character can marry a male doll compared to the story bioware puts into thier characters aren't really the same thing.

*brow furrows* They were screwing werewolves. Pretty sure even if they had put gay couples in there their would've been an outroar.

He's a depraved bisexual. That's...not really anything to be happy about.

Yeah I finished the game sometime last year (still remember tearing up at a certain part. ) 

[Ryzaki]

erilben wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I think it's a bit futile to speculate, since we know absolutely nothing - *but*, I had heard some things about the design process for ME2 that seemed to indicate planned s/s romances (or at least a push for them by some of the writers) was stymied by higher-ups within the company, or the publisher.

Again, that's a rumour.

On another forum, Chris L'Etoile blamed it on Walmart. Apparently they were afraid ME2 would get pulled off Walmart's shelves, so they cut back on the same romance options. Dragon Age  gets away with it because no one calls attention to it like Fox News did to ME1.

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You've gots to be kidding me. He did not say that with a straight face. Walmart? WALMART?!?

[erilben]

Ryzaki wrote...

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You've gots to be kidding me. He did not say that with a straight face. Walmart? WALMART?!?

All he said was for Walmart to "suck it" in response to when people were talking about same sex options, and about how Bioware was saying that dumb thing about asari not counting. If you want see it for yourself: here

[BENIICHAT]

what about Cortez in Demo. what do you think about his face&voice ?

[ElitePinecone]

erilben wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I think it's a bit futile to speculate, since we know absolutely nothing - *but*, I had heard some things about the design process for ME2 that seemed to indicate planned s/s romances (or at least a push for them by some of the writers) was stymied by higher-ups within the company, or the publisher.

Again, that's a rumour.

On another forum, Chris L'Etoile blamed it on Walmart. Apparently they were afraid ME2 would get pulled off Walmart's shelves, so they cut back on the same romance options. Dragon Age  gets away with it because no one calls attention to it like Fox News did to ME1.

Wow, I'd never heard that. Did you have a link? 

Chris L'Etoile did work on ME2, so that's... possible. 

[Ricvenart]

Ryzaki wrote...

*brow furrows* They were screwing werewolves. Pretty sure even if they had put gay couples in there their would've been an outroar.

He's a depraved bisexual. That's...not really anything to be happy about.

Yeah I finished the game sometime last year (still remember tearing up at a certain part. ) 

Implied Werewolf sex = fine, Implied Gay Werewolf sex = Call the police? I'm not saying it wouldn't be inappropriate but it's a weird place to draw the line.

I agree. I'm just trying to say they don't really compare, the differences between Biowares character driven romances and Fables random ones. I'll just leave it at that, I don't think reaver was intended to be a negative portrayal of bi sexuality, it was just his Dorian Grey complex, but that is as far as lionhead goes really for s/s within a story, for good or bad.

Was it the part where you fell into a coma for 5 months? Or when the big bad the game had been building up came and went?

Modifié par Ricvenart, 15 février 2012 - 03:33 .

[ElitePinecone]

Wow.

Stormwaltz wrote...

Dear Wal-Mart,

Suck it.

- me

I'm genuinely surprised.

[Chun Hei]

@ BENIICHAT -- I thought Cortez was... there. I cannot say it was good or bad because if it were not for ElitePinecone I would have never have guessed he was THE m/m option nor have given him much thought otherwise. I will have to wait till the game comes out I guess before I can really give an opinion of him.

I am NOT one of the critics who HATES the way he looks.

Speaking of looks am I the only one who thinks the characters looked... odd somehow? It was like they were more cartoony AND more realistic than old ME games at the same time. I cannot put my finger on it.