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[LiaraShepard]

I want vega and kaidan please, Vega. you have to bi bisexual. or if not bisexual than at least interested in shepard, just as sky from jade empire was interested in the male hero, though he had been straight until they met.

[B DOGG]

SolidBeast wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Anyone on here going to try out MP on PC tomorrow? I was thinking of giving it a go. Never played any co-op online and I don't have a mic... Is that going to be much of a problem?

I've played a fair bit of MP on Xbox and I've only seen one person use a mic

Huh. From all the talk about MP on these forums, I got the impression that it was opposite. Don't really wanna ruin the game by being the weird mute person you can't actually cooperate with.

No its not true!

[SolidBeast]

makenzieshepard wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Anyone on here going to try out MP on PC tomorrow? I was thinking of giving it a go. Never played any co-op online and I don't have a mic... Is that going to be much of a problem?

I've played a fair bit of MP on Xbox and I've only seen one person use a mic

Huh. From all the talk about MP on these forums, I got the impression that it was opposite. Don't really wanna ruin the game by being the weird mute person you can't actually cooperate with.

Hey feel free to add me on Origin (names the same) as well as joining my MP group to find some PC playing  friends.  I have a mic and you can often here me going "But I didn't mean to charge into a phantom, atlas and turret nest!"  You'll want to read the "So Your Friend is a Vanguard" blog

Thanks a lot, will add you as soon as I get MP activated. I've already read that blog, very helpful. I might try vanguard myself, though the last time I charged into a group of enemies, things got ugly.

[Estelindis]

I have been thinking about something related to this subject recently and would appreciate your input.

Which do you think is more likely: that Bioware would write a S/S-only male romance, or a S/S-only female romance? On the one hand, Bioware generally seems more willing to cater to S/S female than S/S male. On the other hand, the sheer level of outrage that I think we all know would explode if Bioware dared to write a romanceable female that was not available to males seems likely, in my opinion, to deter them from that.

The reason I'm thinking about this is that I recently realised that SW:TOR does not have a single female companion character who is not romanceable by male characters. It just seems as if female characters are a lot more likely to be pigeonholed into romance roles than male characters, or players of female characters are seen to be more more tolerant of various interesting male characters not being available for romance.

What do you think? I mean, we'll know soon enough when it comes to ME3, but I gues I'm interested in general Bioware writing trends including, but not limited to, this franchise.

Modifié par Estelindis, 16 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[Collider]

They've already done an F/F only "romance". Juhani.

And they're doing another one in ME3. Samantha Traynor. There's an M/M only romance too - Steve Cortez.

Modifié par Collider, 16 février 2012 - 03:01 .

[Estelindis]

Juhani's very hard to spot, to be fair. I never even realised she was available because I'd already started flirting with Carth.  However, you're quite right.

I'll be interested to see fan reaction to the S/S only romances anyway, particularly in terms of whether O/S fans complain about not being able to romance them. Live and learn, you know?

Modifié par Estelindis, 16 février 2012 - 03:04 .

[shepskisaac]

Actually, we already know whether there will be s/s-only male and/or female LIs.

But about other point, obviously BioWare's more prone to write f/f-only character - Juhani is a proof of that. She already happened almost 9 years ago. And there wasn't really any rage. As sad as it is, people (meanse 99% mostly straight guys) rage only when it's about male-male content. That's just the reality. KOTOR, ME1, ME2 all had lesbian action and there was no rage or complaints about that. Heck, Mass Effect has an entire race of bisexual space babes. It's a living proof of people's hypocrisy (again, mostly straight guys).

[Rinji the Bearded]

If there is O/S fanfiction involving the S/S options (if they are exclusive, that is) I will face palm pretty hard.

[Collider]

Somehow I don't think there would be too much outcry about not being to romance Samantha or Cortez as opposite sexed Shepard.

[Rinji the Bearded]

I don't think so, either. But stranger things have happened, LOL.

[Estelindis]

We'll see! Anyway, I must have forgotten that Samantha and Steve are already confirmed as S/S only (for some reason, I thought for a while that there might be a possibility of them being bi), so thanks for reminding me. I'll be very interested to see how it goes. I do suspect you're right about the most offended denomination being straight guys who don't even want the option to flirt with men, but I'm hoping we're wrong!

[SolidBeast]

There's fanfiction about everything. Besides, why the hell not? Let it be the other way around, for once. Fanfiction is just that, after all.

[Collider]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I don't think so, either. But stranger things have happened, LOL.

There are many things going against it...
1. Cortez seems to have a character creator face, and it's possible Samantha will too.
Cortez also apparently isn't conventionally pretty.
2. They aren't squad mates, which automatically lowers some interest. It's very possible that they'll get less conversation and romance content overall than the other love interests.  You might bring up Joker, but he's still more important than Steve and Samantha.
3. Samantha pretty much says she's lesbian, and Cortez being gay is heavily implied (it's possible they'll say it in even clearer terms in the final game). People can't say "well, they never said they aren't into the opposite sex" without really stretching things.
4. Many straight male players would be content/comfortable enough to romance Samantha as F/F, many straight female players would be the same with Cortez.
5. Straight or straight-inclined players already have plenty of options.

[Knightly_BW]

Collider wrote...

Somehow I don't think there would be too much outcry about not being to romance Samantha or Cortez as opposite sexed Shepard.

I think that is "keeping your hands clean" version of S/S options. Bi options caused rage because most straight players felt like their masculinity threatened by bunch of pixels.


@Isaac:

Bioware ain't doing something wrong other than reflecting real life hypocrisy. "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Even I am not a Christian I heard that line many times but not aware similar warning for females not to lie with other females. M/M relationships didn't welcomed in any society. If they were there was always a silver lining. That was more than hypocrisy...

[Collider]

I think that is "keeping your hands clean" version of S/S options. Bi options caused rage because most straight players felt like their masculinity threatened by bunch of pixels.

I'm sure there will be insecure straight players threatened by having an openly gay male crewmember.

[Knightly_BW]

SolidBeast wrote...

There's fanfiction about everything. Besides, why the hell not? Let it be the other way around, for once. Fanfiction is just that, after all.

I know some Yaoi slash fiction works made by ladies (or non slash ones) and they attract straight females more than gay audience... That is depending on the comments made to those works, not actually numbers + my observations.

[jeweledleah]

RinjiRenee wrote...

If there is O/S fanfiction involving the S/S options (if they are exclusive, that is) I will face palm pretty hard.

heh.. all is fair in fanfiction.  no one seems to be facepalming much, when obviously straight (word of god and all) characters from pretty much every fandom, get shipped into same sex relationships (harry potter especialy amuses me greately). 

why should the oposite be different?

@ Estelendis - there is at least one, that I can think off oof the top of my head.  Scorpio.  she's a droid.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 16 février 2012 - 03:32 .

[Knightly_BW]

Collider wrote...

I think that is "keeping your hands clean" version of S/S options. Bi options caused rage because most straight players felt like their masculinity threatened by bunch of pixels.

I'm sure there will be insecure straight players threatened by having an openly gay male crewmember.

At least as they will know he is gay and won't accidently hit on him so no danger of cybergayvirus infection.

[Rinji the Bearded]

jeweledleah wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

If there is O/S fanfiction involving the S/S options (if they are exclusive, that is) I will face palm pretty hard.

heh.. all is fair in fanfiction.  no one seems to be facepalming much, when obviously straight (word of god and all) characters from pretty much every fandom, get shipped into same sex relationships (harry potter especialy amuses me greately). 

why should the oposite be different?

Because homosexual erasure, to me, is a lot more offensive than heterosexual erasure.  To make a gay person suddenly straight, you have to completely undo something that was likely a struggle for them to accept in the first place. You also never have a heterosexual characters saying things like "I only like opposite sex, sorry."  I think somewhere in Samantha's dialogue she turns down a male Shepard, for example.

Coming out of the closet is a lot easier to believe than turning a gay person straight.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 16 février 2012 - 03:37 .

[SolidBeast]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

If there is O/S fanfiction involving the S/S options (if they are exclusive, that is) I will face palm pretty hard.

heh.. all is fair in fanfiction.  no one seems to be facepalming much, when obviously straight (word of god and all) characters from pretty much every fandom, get shipped into same sex relationships (harry potter especialy amuses me greately). 

why should the oposite be different?

Because homosexual erasure, to me, is a lot more offensive than heterosexual erasure.  You also never have a heterosexual characters saying things like "I only like opposite sex, sorry."  I think somewhere in Samantha's dialogue she turns down a male Shepard, for example.

Some straight fangirl's desire is not offensive. In her fanfiction, it's an alternate universe. She wants to romance him, so she turns him straight to satisfy her fantasy. It's perfectly valid.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 16 février 2012 - 03:39 .

[ElitePinecone]

Collider wrote...
I'm sure there will be insecure straight players threatened by having an openly gay male crewmember.

I'm counting on it. 

[jeweledleah]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

If there is O/S fanfiction involving the S/S options (if they are exclusive, that is) I will face palm pretty hard.

heh.. all is fair in fanfiction.  no one seems to be facepalming much, when obviously straight (word of god and all) characters from pretty much every fandom, get shipped into same sex relationships (harry potter especialy amuses me greately). 

why should the oposite be different?

Because homosexual erasure, to me, is a lot more offensive than heterosexual erasure.  You also never have a heterosexual characters saying things like "I only like opposite sex, sorry."  I think somewhere in Samantha's dialogue she turns down a male Shepard, for example.

I'm sorry but actualy, there ARE cases of characters (not in ME fandom)  that directly state to another male that they don't swing that way, who are happily paired up (sometimes married)  with a woman, that STILL get shipped into s/s relationships.  and then there was a case of Willow in Buffy who started out straight, went bisexual with Tara and then was eventualy converted to gay, because writers didn't want it to look like she was "cured by a ****", despite the fact that she had  2 loving m/f relationships in a past.

so, either both directions are offensive?  or neither of them are.  equality kinda goes like that.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, etc, etc.

[Rinji the Bearded]

SolidBeast wrote...

Some straight fangirl's desire is not offensive. In her fanfiction, it's an alternate universe. She wants to romance him, so she turns him straight to satisfy her fantasy. It's perfectly valid.

Valid, perhaps.  However, that doesn't make it any less offensive.

Having read several fanfictions where girls magically turn BL/yaoi characters straight to "fix them," I find it highly offensive.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 16 février 2012 - 03:41 .

[SolidBeast]

RinjiRenee wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Some straight fangirl's desire is not offensive. In her fanfiction, it's an alternate universe. She wants to romance him, so she turns him straight to satisfy her fantasy. It's perfectly valid.

Valid, perhaps.  I am not one for shaming kinks.  However, that doesn't make it any less offensive.

Having read several fanfictions where girls magically turn BL/yaoi characters straight to "fix them," I find it highly offensive.

That's because from your point of view, they are doing it to "fix them because it's wrong". Nobody invests their time writing fanfiction for that purpose. They are doing it because they are interested in the character and want to romance him with their female character. Nothing more.

[Rinji the Bearded]

SolidBeast wrote...

That's because from your point of view, they are doing it to "fix them because it's wrong". Nobody invests their time writing fanfiction for that purpose. They are doing it because they are interested in the character and want to romance him with their female character. Nothing more.

Maybe I've just run into way too many fangirls who do sincerely wish to fix them.  And it does exist.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 16 février 2012 - 03:44 .