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[RomanDark]

While we're on the topic of multiplayer I don't know why someone would **** about having to play it cause I just got done with 2 straight hours of it and I am dying for more! And that is coming from someone who avoid mp in games like the plague!


Edit: TOP!!!

in light of the new M!Shenko "proof" here have a pic


Don't remember the source

Modifié par RomanDark, 17 février 2012 - 07:32 .

[ElitePinecone]

Blood broker 1.1 wrote...

the blood broker back

so is there any new detail on who homosexual in this game

Post here if you have questions rather than making ANOTHER new thread.

Some rumours are saying Ashley and Kaidan will be available for both Shepards, as well as Steve Cortez and Samantha Traynor.

Everybody else, we don't know yet. 

ME2 squadmates look unlikely. 

[Knightly_BW]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Some rumours are saying Ashley and Kaidan will be available for both Shepards, as well as Steve Cortez and Samantha Traynor.

Everybody else, we don't know yet. 

ME2 squadmates look unlikely. 

I'm begining to see Samantha as an Urban Legend. Nothing about her other than Voice Actress. No screenie or any other leak info. Probably either they cut her out of the game or very good at keeping her secret.

And a question: Which will be better way to avoid bigger straight jerk rage? Making a new character bi or making a guy s/s option who probably don't exist on most straight guy imports?

[Blood broker 1.1]

Asperius wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Some rumours are saying Ashley and Kaidan will be available for both Shepards, as well as Steve Cortez and Samantha Traynor.

Everybody else, we don't know yet. 

ME2 squadmates look unlikely. 

I'm begining to see Samantha as an Urban Legend. Nothing about her other than Voice Actress. No screenie or any other leak info. Probably either they cut her out of the game or very good at keeping her secret.

And a question: Which will be better way to avoid bigger straight jerk rage? Making a new character bi or making a guy s/s option who probably don't exist on most straight guy imports?

i think she is a myth to or changed to another person

ps my ip address was block but i bypass it took me 24 hour to find a way but i did it better luck next time bioware
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the blood broker will never die

[ElitePinecone]

Asperius wrote...

I'm begining to see Samantha as an Urban Legend. Nothing about her other than Voice Actress. No screenie or any other leak info. Probably either they cut her out of the game or very good at keeping her secret.

And a question: Which will be better way to avoid bigger straight jerk rage? Making a new character bi or making a guy s/s option who probably don't exist on most straight guy imports?

She does exist - call it a gut feeling, but she's part of a bunch of quests and cutscenes organising communication with various characters. The reason we've never seen or heard her is probably because she never leaves the ship, and we've never seen the Normandy interior aside from Vega's sparring scene. 

Your second question is interesting, it's something we talked about a few hundred pages back. 

I'll use mShep with Cortez vs Kaidan as an example, since we know from dev remarks that most players don't have Kaidan alive in ME3. I'd imagine the numbers for femShep and Ashley would be similar. Also, I can't see the dudebros raging about a femShep/Ashley romance, partly because hot wimminz but also the fact that hardly any, statistically, would play femShep. 

Cortez is unavoidably in the game, mentions his orientation in a bunch of conversations and is very difficult to ignore or remove. 

Kaidan, hypothetically assuming he's available, is arguably (aside from Wrex) the most killed-off character in the series. The percentage of maleSheps who chose him over Ashley is small, according to many dev comments. That Ashley gets all the marketing attention (to the point where devs speak of her exclusively, and don't even mention Kaidan) might indicate something in itself. Add that to the fact that new mShep ME2 games by default have Kaidan killed off, and there's another ~million people who will never see him in ME3. 

The question is: is the fact that such a small number of ME3 mSheps have Kaidan alive justification enough to make him available for both genders of Shep in a new romance? Bioware ultimately made a choice, if they even ever considered the question, and it's a bit moot since the game is gold anyway. 

But in terms of fan reaction: I think any response to a Steve-esque character would be mostly neutral, apart from the obvious bigots. I think fan reaction to, say, Kaidan being 'biseual' would be insignificant, because in the vast majority of players' games he doesn't exist. Even then, anecdotally I've heard more than a few people say "wasn't Kaidan gay in Mass Effect", or wax lyrical about 'vibes', enough to not make it a huge deal. 

I think the worst reaction would come if or when an unavoidably present character was available for both genders, after only being available for one in the past. Anders, say - even though I think the reaction was ludicrous. 

Because, you know, immersion! Verisimillitude!  

[Knightly_BW]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Asperius wrote...

I'm begining to see Samantha as an Urban Legend. Nothing about her other than Voice Actress. No screenie or any other leak info. Probably either they cut her out of the game or very good at keeping her secret.

And a question: Which will be better way to avoid bigger straight jerk rage? Making a new character bi or making a guy s/s option who probably don't exist on most straight guy imports?

She does exist - call it a gut feeling, but she's part of a bunch of quests and cutscenes organising communication with various characters. The reason we've never seen or heard her is probably because she never leaves the ship, and we've never seen the Normandy interior aside from Vega's sparring scene. 

Your second question is interesting, it's something we talked about a few hundred pages back. 

I'll use mShep with Cortez vs Kaidan as an example, since we know from dev remarks that most players don't have Kaidan alive in ME3. I'd imagine the numbers for femShep and Ashley would be similar. Also, I can't see the dudebros raging about a femShep/Ashley romance, partly because hot wimminz but also the fact that hardly any, statistically, would play femShep. 

Cortez is unavoidably in the game, mentions his orientation in a bunch of conversations and is very difficult to ignore or remove. 

Kaidan, hypothetically assuming he's available, is arguably (aside from Wrex) the most killed-off character in the series. The percentage of maleSheps who chose him over Ashley is small, according to many dev comments. That Ashley gets all the marketing attention (to the point where devs speak of her exclusively, and don't even mention Kaidan) might indicate something in itself. Add that to the fact that new mShep ME2 games by default have Kaidan killed off, and there's another ~million people who will never see him in ME3. 

The question is: is the fact that such a small number of ME3 mSheps have Kaidan alive justification enough to make him available for both genders of Shep in a new romance? Bioware ultimately made a choice, if they even ever considered the question, and it's a bit moot since the game is gold anyway. 

But in terms of fan reaction: I think any response to a Steve-esque character would be mostly neutral, apart from the obvious bigots. I think fan reaction to, say, Kaidan being 'biseual' would be insignificant, because in the vast majority of players' games he doesn't exist. Even then, anecdotally I've heard more than a few people say "wasn't Kaidan gay in Mass Effect", or wax lyrical about 'vibes', enough to not make it a huge deal. 

I think the worst reaction would come if or when an unavoidably present character was available for both genders, after only being available for one in the past. Anders, say - even though I think the reaction was ludicrous. 

Because, you know, immersion! Verisimillitude!  

Heh, I've should have been more clear, ElitePine, sorry.  I was trying to compare Vega vs Kaidan. Steve is m/m only as far as we know.

To be honest I doubt they changed anything(after leaked scripts) regarding Vega or any other character who is using known actors for VA. With fairly unknown actors you can work more freely and probably cheaper. You can't bother stars on your every whim because of their heavy schedule/ego. One of my other hypothesis about Vega couldn't be s/s (can't remember if I posted this before) is; If he is into guys there is already one guy who he likes and cares in game. He is very close with Steve and if he'd swing that way they will probably end together.

In the end if I have to guess/bet my results for S/S male romace options are:

Steve: Hell yes!!
Kaidan: 75% yes
Vega: No
Garrus: No

Modifié par Asperius, 17 février 2012 - 08:44 .

[Ricvenart]

ElitePinecone wrote...

The point of that off-topic discussion is that if this random forum person was wrong or trolling about the GaW system, I'm less willing to accept their other statements about ME3.

Drawing a conclusion from a comparison to something unrelated? Funny I never thought it was possible.

SolidBeast wrote...

I've been on edge lately, should probably just back off from discussions on here.

Know that feeling, you know what I think of you already.

Rest of this thread the last few days, shocker. FTL...

[alexdrake]

Elite, I catagoricaly reject your well thought out justification for why BW would choose Alenko over Vega. I still cannot allow myself to believe that BW would be so petrified of a negative fan reaction on their final game that they would deny such a prime level of character/storyline customization. Thats also why I believe that we will finally get Alenko as well. Though all that said if I am right I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to broadcast relationship info everywhere and worry EA.

[ElitePinecone]

I agree with your percentages almost exactly.

I think what applies for Steve in terms of audience reaction could also serve for Vega, if anything I've seen people preemptively dismissing him (along with the whole Jersey Shore thing) precisely because they probably mistakenly assumed he was the s/s option.

It's really easy to totally write off a new character and claim you'll never care for them - 'it doesn't matter if he's s/s because I never wanted him anyway, blah'.

[ElitePinecone]

Ricvenart wrote...
Drawing a conclusion from a comparison to something unrelated? Funny I never thought it was possible.

It's not unrelated when they're making claims from a position of insider knowledge. 

The GaW stuff seems so remotely out of the question that it makes me think they're trolling. 

I'm not about to believe something just because someone on the internet says they know something, and that I should believe them.

We'll probably know much more very soon, but in the mean time I'm not going to take things for granted. 

[Ricvenart]

Missed my point, although made it as well. You don't like it either when people assume you're not making a related point to the discussion when you mention outside things. Or to be blamed for off topic discussion because others have focused on the comparison and ignored the on topic part.

[Knightly_BW]

Steve strategically placed in game if you ask my opinion. He's neither a wall flower like Kelly nor full squad member. So that won't impact most players experience, especially FPS crowd as they care more for squad members and LI as far as I can see.

Vega is another soldier of the squad (if your Shep ain't one already) which makes me think he is subtitue for Ashley. He isn't homophobic, infact friendly to gay crowd. He is an eye candy. Probably romance neutral. So that will lead me to believe him and Kaidan designed for complete each other. However other way around there are no subsitute for Kaidan... If Kaidan not on your team, you will lack very versatile character (don't know spoiler characters classes but I think one of them is an Adept and other one is an Engineer). Why devs didn't bring Miranda instead of Tali/Garrus or as a 3rd ME2 member to your squad is beyond me. These are depending heavily on my play style tho'. I have all 6 classes ready to import but played as Adepd/Engineer, most so one heavy hitter (Grunt, Thane or Zaeed) and one support (Miranda) character was my usual team set up.

Anyway wheter he is S/S or not, Vega will be one of my most used squadies. Maybe many Vega supporters will get angry at me for saying this but I partly wish he isn't romancable. He looks hot, yes. Actually I can say he is one of the hottest male characters in any Bioware game so far. However when character enters the scene, I see him as Shepard's Sidekick. It will be better to have as a friend/little brother than being a fantasy object.

[ElitePinecone]

Hm, more thoughts on credibility of random-forum-guy:

I re-read some of their other stuff. The logic chain they posted for the geth-quarian thing looks *very* legit. To the point of including references to N7 missions and plot points.

In my view their numbers are off re: GaW (or they've misinterpreted how it works) but I think I'm more confident than before that what they're saying is accurate.

Which should mean some happy people in this thread.

[LukaCrosszeria]

makenzieshepard wrote...
a motorized pogo stick.

SolidBeast wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*hugs for Solid* You're not a ****. Not to me at least. 

Thanks a lot, Ryz. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie] 

I've been on edge lately, should probably just back off from discussions on here.

There's no need to do that, I don't think you shouldn't post here, didn't say that. I just didn't agree with the way you reacted in that post and I spoke up, it's nothing more than that. I am sorry that what I said came at a bad time though.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Which should mean some happy people in this thread.

Like me! Btw, loved every single one of your posts here: http://social.biowar...-9306618-1.html Good run while it lasted, shame I was too late to hop on. 

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 17 février 2012 - 12:12 .

[LukaCrosszeria]

RomanDark wrote...

in light of the new M!Shenko "proof" here have a pic


Don't remember the source

Gaah. Scene like that in the game please. 

[Collider]

The question is: is the fact that such a small number of ME3 mSheps have Kaidan alive justification enough to make him available for both genders of Shep in a new romance? Bioware ultimately made a choice, if they even ever considered the question, and it's a bit moot since the game is gold anyway.

I suppose that depends on how many other M/M options there are, and how many resources went into the M/M romance specifically. If it's largely copy and paste from the (new) female romance, it shouldn't be too much.

I think there's little doubt that forum guy is legit. He may have gotten multiplayer wrong - but that's probably an easier thing to get confused about.

[ElitePinecone]

Collider wrote...

The question is: is the fact that such a small number of ME3 mSheps have Kaidan alive justification enough to make him available for both genders of Shep in a new romance? Bioware ultimately made a choice, if they even ever considered the question, and it's a bit moot since the game is gold anyway.

I suppose that depends on how many other M/M options there are, and how many resources went into the M/M romance specifically. If it's largely copy and paste from the (new) female romance, it shouldn't be too much.

I think there's little doubt that forum guy is legit. He may have gotten multiplayer wrong - but that's probably an easier thing to get confused about.

Hm, more sleuthing says forum guy got the name of [Spoiler squadmate] right a month ago, when there wasn't a demo or .tlk files.

Looking very promising for Ashley and Kaidan s/s romance then. 

[Finis Valorum]

katerinafm wrote...

If we can only achieve 50% readiness in the singleplayer then I think all fans have the right to rage about it as much as they want since if that happens it'd mean that they flat out lied to us over and over to just calm us down.

If you JUST need 50% to get the best ending, then I don't mind.

I hope this is something I can mod through savegame editing, if it turns out to be true ,because unless they separate MP and SP better, I choose modding the game over multiplayer any time.

syllogi wrote...

Bear in mind that multiplayer was being developed in Québec, while the rest of the game was being made in Edmonton. It could have been something bandied about earlier in development, and was talked about, but things changed later on.

Or, they REALLY want to push multiplayer, and have decided to force the issue with single player fans. I would think this is a bad idea.

True, it's exactly like big corporations (and governments) for the right hand not to know what the left one's doing, at any given time, so it could even be a case of EA marketing operating on false assumptions themselves. Then again given the sleaziness of EA's marketing in the past, I wouldn't put it past them to embellish the facts, maybe they consider the 50% readiness ending the "best ending" and the 100% readiness ending, the true best ending, just a bonus ending or something, I mean these are the same people who vehemently denied Liara being female despite it being contradicted in the lore numerous times.

Asperius wrote...

In the end if I have to guess/bet my results for S/S male romace options are:
snip

I mostly agree with you except I'd put the odds of Kaidan being available at 50% right now..

[SolidBeast]

Ricvenart wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

I've been on edge lately, should probably just back off from discussions on here.

Know that feeling, you know what I think of you already.

Rest of this thread the last few days, shocker. FTL...

Thanks, man.

LukaCrosszeria wrote...
There's no need to do that, I don't
think you shouldn't post here, didn't say that. I just didn't agree with
the way you reacted in that post and I spoke up, it's nothing more than
that. I am sorry that what I said came at a bad time though.

Disagreeing is totally fine, and if you accept every apology just because it's given that's your business, just like it's not my business to tell you how to go about it. Again, I'm not attacking you, I'm not raging, that's just where I stand. Sorry if it comes off as brash, like I said, I need to back off from discussion altogether, I just can't help myself. Sorry.

[shepskisaac]

RomanDark wrote...

While we're on the topic of multiplayer I don't know why someone would **** about having to play it cause I just got done with 2 straight hours of it and I am dying for more! And that is coming from someone who avoid mp in games like the plague!


Edit: TOP!!!

in light of the new M!Shenko "proof" here have a pic


Don't remember the source

WOW! <3<3<3 This needs to happen in-game!

[Game_Fan_85]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Gaah. Scene like that in the game please. 

LOL, and then the world would explode.  I am still amazed DA2 got away with that rather hot Hawke/Anders kiss but this, oh how I would love to see the reaction.  The only problem with the picture is, BioWare men never have furry chests like that, sadly.

[shepskisaac]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

The only problem with the picture is, BioWare men never have furry chests like that, sadly.

Actually, you can see that Kaidan's furry on his naked model from ME1 ;P

[Ricvenart]

No problem.

At least you replied to it even if you don't see it the same way, unlike others.
But no matter what you do it's wrong anyway, even when it's okay for someone else to do it. Not like apologies or pointing out it's not the point of your post don't get ignored here all the time. I don't think I've seen a brash post from you, even if I don't agree with the point (think we differed opinions on Steve) or jokingly, at least makes a worth while read. Me on the other hand have to bite my tongue an awful lot here lately and frankly it's getting increasingly harder to keep it all in.

Frankly I'm still waiting on proof of Gender specific lines, thier absents not proof it's false due to the nature of conversation but if some does give a correct gender specific line, it blows away my biggest skeptism on Shepard being gender neutral in some sort of Dev/Tester build to play around with different things.

Edit: Oh Isaac's back from the Missions, does that mean theres news? I never was sure if the furry naked kaidan was a mode or fake image somehow, I've seen other models where he lacks any hair.

Modifié par Ricvenart, 17 février 2012 - 03:25 .

[ElitePinecone]

Ricvenart wrote...
 it blows away my biggest skeptism on Shepard being gender neutral in some sort of Dev/Tester build to play around with different things.

I'm not sure how this would work. All game testing is done with Shepard being a particular gender. All dialogue is written with Shepard being a particular gender...

If the lines are neutral in practically all of the VS dialogue, it means the lines are gender-neutral. 

[shepskisaac]

Ricvenart wrote...

Edit: Oh Isaac's back from the Missions, does that mean theres news?

lol no, I whish I had anything more