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[ElitePinecone]

Who does femShep have as an o/s romance if Kaidan was Virmire'd?

Nobody? Garrus?

Maybe there's another Normandy crewmember.... the XO?

[Ryzaki]

@MACharlie1: Not to mention Thane's dying regardless. >_>

[dgcatanisiri]

Honestly, I'm really reluctant to believe that Vega isn't an LI, o/s or s/s. From pretty much minute one, there's been demand for him to be an LI. Sure, there was at least the same amount of clamour for a Joker romance, but he's been part of the game since day one and not a romance, not to mention the things with EDI (haven't read the spoilers, so I'm only speaking in reaction to ME2, but... Yeah, hard to deny that was flirting). Given the amount of acknowledgment of the fan desires so far, I'm surprised they drew the line at a character not yet introduced not being romanceable.

And, as mentioned above, given that all of the men available to femShep are possibly dead, it seems odd that there wouldn't be some kind of option available for her. On top of that, I would have thought that, given backlash about Anders being 'made gay' for DA2, allowing the new character to be romanced by both female and male Shepards would have made sense for them to put together first, before turning to opening Kaidan and Ashley up to both genders.

Granted, I have to admit that I've found that when BioWare writes a non-LI, they tend to get the better end of the deal, characterization-wise, since half of their character development isn't hidden in files that you never get to go through if you're not romancing them, so it might be better for Vega as a character... But have you seen Vega's arms? Those are good arms to have. My Shepards want to climb those arms.

Modifié par dgcatanisiri, 18 février 2012 - 04:06 .

[shepskisaac]

Something's not adding up here IMO. I'm willing to believe straight FemShep has only Kaidan, IF lesbian FemShep has less LIs. Since Liara & Samantha are granted, and Chobot said herself Diana is bi, perhaps Ash is o/s only? Maybe the guy saw Kaidan's gay romance and automatically assumed Ash would be too?

Or like Elite says, there's another male LI we don't know about, like some XO or something

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 février 2012 - 04:07 .

[Abispa]

Ryzaki wrote...

Abispa wrote...

So the only things we are SURE of is that "straight" female Shepard has ONE LI in ME3 who COULD BE DEAD, and that "gay" male Shepard has ONE LI.

Wow. Like, wow.

That can't be right.

Gay Shep has two.

Steve and Kaidan.

But yeah...femShep got screwed. Hard.

Didn't even get a kiss either.

Well, I believe Kaidan will be "bi," too, but we don't KNOW he will be s/s LI.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

Well, I believe Kaidan will be "bi," too, but we don't KNOW he will be s/s LI.

Dude who has played the game said it and he tends to be right about ME3 things. So frankly I'm putting it at 90%.

[ElitePinecone]

syllogi wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I still however find it unlikely that they'd make such an obvious like denying FemSheps man romances. If Kaidan is dead...then whose left? Only women. While Allers is a casual romance which I don't even count since...I refuse to acknowledge this bimbo who was obviously placed in for monetary purposes...ManShep still has Liara. I've always said that Vega is the easiest way to balance her out since they are going to be in the squad across everyone's playthroughs. 

If statistically, more FemSheps romanced Liara and/or Kelly, or more FemSheps didn't romance anyone at all in ME2, they could simply be catering to what the numbers tell them people want.  I'm not a fan of using statistics to decide how a story is told, but if they think that f/f will appeal to a greater number of gamers, that may be a bigger factor than being "fair" or balancing the number of LI choices.

I was thinking this, but it seems bizarre that they wouldn't give femShep at least one new option in ME3. 

At the moment there are none!

Even the market arguments are weird, since gaySheps get at least two options. 

[SolidBeast]

Ryzaki wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Well, I believe Kaidan will be "bi," too, but we don't KNOW he will be s/s LI.

Dude who has played the game said it and he tends to be right about ME3 things. So frankly I'm putting it at 90%.

Yeah but I doubt he pays equal attention to everything. Could have just gotten some odd sounding dialogue and assumed he was. I think I read some pages ago that someone actually thought they were in a relationship with him in ME1 but then got surprised at not getting the paramour achievement at the end.
What I'm saying is, it suddenly became "gaySheps are getting at least two options", when there's really not much proof of that.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 18 février 2012 - 04:12 .

[Chun Hei]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Try also to remember that FemSheps LI in ME2 weren't...that high of caliber. Jacob completely missed the mark and Thane turned out...not that great in my opinon. Only Garrus had substance and most of his dialog was calibrations. So basically, if FemShep had killed Kaidan on Virmire...and found Jacob boring. Then what? Thane and Garrus? And both can die in ME2 btw so it's possible that FemShep couldn't even have a continuing heterosexual relationship. 

Really sold out on the "lesbians are hot" Bioware....real smooth. <_<

What!?!? You dissing Jacob!?!?

RAGE!

We are fighting!



Well maybe not. I forgive you.

[MACharlie1]

ElitePinecone wrote...

syllogi wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I still however find it unlikely that they'd make such an obvious like denying FemSheps man romances. If Kaidan is dead...then whose left? Only women. While Allers is a casual romance which I don't even count since...I refuse to acknowledge this bimbo who was obviously placed in for monetary purposes...ManShep still has Liara. I've always said that Vega is the easiest way to balance her out since they are going to be in the squad across everyone's playthroughs. 

If statistically, more FemSheps romanced Liara and/or Kelly, or more FemSheps didn't romance anyone at all in ME2, they could simply be catering to what the numbers tell them people want.  I'm not a fan of using statistics to decide how a story is told, but if they think that f/f will appeal to a greater number of gamers, that may be a bigger factor than being "fair" or balancing the number of LI choices.

I was thinking this, but it seems bizarre that they wouldn't give femShep at least one new option in ME3. 

At the moment there are none!

Even the market arguments are weird, since gaySheps get at least two options. 

GayShep, at least, has one. FemShep, at least, as a big fat ZERO. 

[Ryzaki]

Yeah it's just...

*rubs temples*

It just doesn't even sound right.

[jeweledleah]

IsaacShep wrote...

Something's not adding up here IMO. I'm willing to believe straight FemShep has only Kaidan, IF lesbian FemShep has less LIs. Since Liara & Samantha are granted, and Chobot said herself Diana is bi, perhaps Ash is o/s only? Maybe the guy saw Kaidan's gay romance and automatically assumed Ash would be too?

Or like Elite says, there's another male LI we don't know about, like some XO or something

or he could have seen Ash s/s romance and assume that Kaidan would be as well.

they ARE mirrors of each other and they both get the same blurb in a demo, same dialogue, same general role...

honestly, the only hope I have left is possible fling ala Diana Allers, in that recently announced character in IOS game.  Jacob showed up in ME2, after starring in Galaxy.  its not out of the question that this guy could as well.

I know, I'm grasping straws here.

the next statement is going to be very bitter. 

I have this bad feeling that bioware tried their best to please the shooter "straight male gamer" crowd by making m/m romances either the guy that most killed off, or non squad member, at the same time giving plenty of options to "lesbians are hot" players  everyone else?  tough luck.  and if some fans benefit along the way by getting the character they wanted?  that's just a nice side benefit

sorry.  just... 

[ElitePinecone]

dgcatanisiri wrote...
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This all makes sense, but it doesn't look like what actually happened.

To the best of our knowledge, someone with a complete build of the game played through all the romances and most of the story. They've been posting genuinely convincing things (that have since been proven to be true). 

Kaidan and Ashley, according to this person, are s/s romances and Vega rejects Shepard despite having flirt options. 

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...
Yeah but I doubt he pays equal attention to everything. Could have just gotten some odd sounding dialogue and assumed he was. I think I read some pages ago that someone actually thought they were in a relationship with him in ME1 but then got surprised at not getting the paramour achievement at the end.

Seriously? The lack of romance dialogue didn't tip them off? 

Well hopefully he screwed up recognizing Vega's romance then. Please let that be so.

[shepskisaac]

MACharlie1 wrote...

GayShep, at least, has one. FemShep, at least, as a big fat ZERO.

Unless they're thinking trilogy-wise. In that case, Femshep has at least 4, GayShep has at least 1.

[MACharlie1]

jeweledleah wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Something's not adding up here IMO. I'm willing to believe straight FemShep has only Kaidan, IF lesbian FemShep has less LIs. Since Liara & Samantha are granted, and Chobot said herself Diana is bi, perhaps Ash is o/s only? Maybe the guy saw Kaidan's gay romance and automatically assumed Ash would be too?

Or like Elite says, there's another male LI we don't know about, like some XO or something

or he could have seen Ash s/s romance and assume that Kaidan would be as well.

they ARE mirrors of each other and they both get the same blurb in a demo, same dialogue, same general role...

honestly, the only hope I have left is possible fling ala Diana Allers, in that recently announced character in IOS game.  Jacob showed up in ME2, after starring in Galaxy.  its not out of the question that this guy could as well.

I know, I'm grasping straws here.

the next statement is going to be very bitter. 

I have this bad feeling that bioware tried their best to please the shooter "straight male gamer" crowd by making m/m romances either the guy that most killed off, or non squad member, at the same time giving plenty of options to "lesbians are hot" players  everyone else?  tough luck.  and if some fans benefit along the way by getting the character they wanted?  that's just a nice side benefit

sorry.  just... 

Calling it now: he's the DLC character. 

[Jilinna]

MACharlie1 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

syllogi wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I still however find it unlikely that they'd make such an obvious like denying FemSheps man romances. If Kaidan is dead...then whose left? Only women. While Allers is a casual romance which I don't even count since...I refuse to acknowledge this bimbo who was obviously placed in for monetary purposes...ManShep still has Liara. I've always said that Vega is the easiest way to balance her out since they are going to be in the squad across everyone's playthroughs. 

If statistically, more FemSheps romanced Liara and/or Kelly, or more FemSheps didn't romance anyone at all in ME2, they could simply be catering to what the numbers tell them people want.  I'm not a fan of using statistics to decide how a story is told, but if they think that f/f will appeal to a greater number of gamers, that may be a bigger factor than being "fair" or balancing the number of LI choices.

I was thinking this, but it seems bizarre that they wouldn't give femShep at least one new option in ME3. 

At the moment there are none!

Even the market arguments are weird, since gaySheps get at least two options. 

GayShep, at least, has one. FemShep, at least, as a big fat ZERO. 

Maybe they chickened out and made Cortez bi?

Ugh I don' know what to think anymore. *needs a hug*

If Femshep gets no new LI I will be so disappointed. Then I will go running to the feet of the Dragon developers and thanking them for at least making LI's fair for all.

Modifié par Jilinna, 18 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[Ryzaki]

@MACharlie: That's...someone else.

Unless for some reason they decide to move him to the main game.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

or he could have seen Ash s/s romance and assume that Kaidan would be as well.

Yeah but if it's the other way - Ashley bi and Kaidan straight, then that wouldn't fix the LesShep - straight FemShep imbalance like straight Ashley would (or straight Diana)

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[Chun Hei]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I was thinking this, but it seems bizarre that they wouldn't give femShep at least one new option in ME3. 

At the moment there are none!

Even the market arguments are weird, since gaySheps get at least two options. 

Well I guess that it is Ryzaki and my fault for posting on this thread that straight girls like role playing gay men.

[ElitePinecone]

SolidBeast wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Well, I believe Kaidan will be "bi," too, but we don't KNOW he will be s/s LI.

Dude who has played the game said it and he tends to be right about ME3 things. So frankly I'm putting it at 90%.

Yeah but I doubt he pays equal attention to everything. Could have just gotten some odd sounding dialogue and assumed he was. I think I read some pages ago that someone actually thought they were in a relationship with him in ME1 but then got surprised at not getting the paramour achievement at the end.
What I'm saying is, it suddenly became "gaySheps are getting at least two options", when there's really not much proof of that.

This person played through all the romance ending scenes. He knew Traynor's was in a shower. 

I'd say being wrong is monumentally less likely than being right. The evidence is piling up on one side only. 

[Ryzaki]

...Actually bi Cortez would fix the imbalance.

Also Traynor's shower scene. Stay classy BioWare.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[ElitePinecone]

The DLC character is [spoiler squadmate p].

It does fit with the 'From Dust' name.

I mean, there may be more DLC characters - but not at launch.

[SolidBeast]

ElitePinecone wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Well, I believe Kaidan will be "bi," too, but we don't KNOW he will be s/s LI.

Dude who has played the game said it and he tends to be right about ME3 things. So frankly I'm putting it at 90%.

Yeah but I doubt he pays equal attention to everything. Could have just gotten some odd sounding dialogue and assumed he was. I think I read some pages ago that someone actually thought they were in a relationship with him in ME1 but then got surprised at not getting the paramour achievement at the end.
What I'm saying is, it suddenly became "gaySheps are getting at least two options", when there's really not much proof of that.

This person played through all the romance ending scenes. He knew Traynor's was in a shower. 

I'd say being wrong is monumentally less likely than being right. The evidence is piling up on one side only. 

But did we actually get anything else out of him other than "Can romance Ashley and Kaidan"?
Don't tell me to look, though, I don't want story spoilers.

[MACharlie1]

ElitePinecone wrote...

The DLC character is [spoiler squadmate p].

It does fit with the 'From Dust' name.

I mean, there may be more DLC characters - but not at launch.

From what I've read, spoiler squadmate P seems criticial to the main storyline....