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[LukaCrosszeria]

Ryzaki wrote...

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

*snip*

Except the devs have constantly said that the MP helps but the best ending is still acheivable in single player alone. Even the achievements suggest this.

Basically you can afford to screw up a little to get the best ending if you play MP. If you play SP only however screwing up will cost you the best ending. You have to do everything perfectly if you're not playing MP to get the best game.

@Elite: Considering what they do to some of her LIs I don't see how they could do that with a straight face.

All right, so it's not necessary, but it helps, which means the MP influences the SP campaign. Maybe that guy got the specifics a little wrong, but it's close enough to what Hudson says for him to keep his credibility, thus probably making him right about Kaidan and Ashley too.

[Ryzaki]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...
All right, so it's not necessary, but it helps, which means the MP influences the SP campaign. Maybe that guy got the specifics a little wrong, but it's close enough to what Hudson says for him to keep his credibility, thus probably making him right about Kaidan and Ashley too.

We always knew MP influenced SP. From a while ago. We didn't need someone who had the game to tell us that. The Devs themselves did.

And that's not a little wrong that's flat out wrong.

Though yes he does have some credibility and he might be right about Kaidan and Ashley as well.

Plus he's playing an old build so he quite easily could've gotten a version of the game that wasn't fully updated or what not.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 février 2012 - 03:07 .

[ElitePinecone]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Elite: Considering what they do to some of her LIs I don't see how they could do that with a straight face.

To be fair, though, some of mShep's have some pretty dreadful fates. I'm being as vague as I can. 

If you aren't a good negotiator and can't prevent a war, one does something pretty drastic.

And if you decide there are higher priorities than Grissom Academy... 

They aren't inevitable like, perhaps, some of femShep's are, but I'm willing to bet more than a few players will blindly walk into those sort of situations.

(Also, the Invictus thing seems plausible, given that the mission that LI was in has now been removed entirely, and replaced with a VS thing)

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...
To be fair, though, some of mShep's have some pretty dreadful fates. I'm being as vague as I can. 

If you aren't a good negotiator and can't prevent a war, one does something pretty drastic.

And if you decide there are higher priorities than Grissom Academy... 

They aren't inevitable like, perhaps, some of femShep's are, but I'm willing to bet more than a few players will blindly walk into those sort of situations.

(Also, the Invictus thing seems plausible, given that the mission that LI was in has now been removed entirely, and replaced with a VS thing)

Yeah but like you said it's not inevitable. That's a large difference. I'm pretty sure they'll beat you over the head with "hey maybe you should go see X now!" [ME team isn't subtle].

Only if you do something that would obviously cause them to flip out. Easily avoidable.

...I thought that was Spoiler P. Can you PM me about the mission? 

But if they auto take out some of femSheps LIs and not give her a replacement? BS. They don't auto take out any of male Sheps LIs.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

But if they auto take out some of femSheps LIs and not give her a replacement? BS. They don't auto take out any of male Sheps LIs.

Yeah.  This.

It's about balance and if those rumors are true then that doesn't feel very balanced (or fair).  It also sends out some really negative imagery that I'm not comfortable with at all.  That being said, I'll wait until the game comes out and listen for what happens.  I want to maintain neutrality until I play the game. >.>  The one straight FemShep I had ended becoming bi after all and I was considering rolling out a new one to romance one of male squadies from ME3 that isn't Garrus, but if that stuff is true...ain't gonna happen then.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 18 février 2012 - 03:43 .

[katerinafm]

So, so far it looks kind of like this from what the guy says: You can achieve 50% readiness in SP (we don't know if that's enough for the best endings or not...by the way what is considered the best ending, I haven't looked at them in ages), and you can 'import' MP level 20 characters that give you some permanent points but somehow the Galactic readiness gets lower over time (and does it get lower only with the MP points or with the SP as well...?)? Agh, confusing.

Kind of random but I'm really wondering about something in the demo, will holstering your weapons be available in the main game? I think I read somewhere about them not including the holstering weapons animations because it took up a lot of memory, but I didn't get if they were talking about the demo only or the full game as well.

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...

(Also, the Invictus thing seems plausible, given that the mission that LI was in has now been removed entirely, and replaced with a VS thing)

Invictus mission never existed. It was a fake, fabricated thing by a BSN user, suppousedly from Xbow World magazine's "Killer Feature Reveal" - until we found out the reveal was about multiplayer.

[bas_kon]

I think it's not so unbalance in case Vega isn't LI. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong:
M!Shep new romances: Liara, Ash/Kaidan, Steve.
F!Shep new romances: Liara, Ash/kaidan, Samantha.

Liara is supposed to be neither s/s nor o/s, even though I don't agree with that, most of the people even in this thread has been stating that for months, claiming she couldn't be counted as a lesbian and only human females would count. Thus that would mean, a bi/straight option of your choice and a s/s one for each gender.

Kelly afaik, is not available for new romance (and if she were, it would be stupid with her staying at the Cidadel), and the Chobot girl (don't know how to spell it), is just a fling for male straight nerd fantasies as some said, not a proper romance. Maybe there's even another male fling, such as kenneth...I don't know.

And even though I'm not a fan of that, it would make sense femshep not having more options (even losing Jacob and Thane) if neither Shepard could ever get the happily ever after ending with their LI, no matter what. In that case, that would be just another chains of events. Hope that's not the case anyway...

Modifié par bas_kon, 18 février 2012 - 03:56 .

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

(Also, the Invictus thing seems plausible, given that the mission that LI was in has now been removed entirely, and replaced with a VS thing)

Invictus mission never existed. It was a fake, fabricated thing by a BSN user, suppousedly from Xbow World magazine's "Killer Feature Reveal" - until we found out the reveal was about multiplayer.

Hm, ok.

But that then means we have no idea what Thane's role in ME3 is. 

It can't be the original one in the leaked file, because that was scrapped (the ship one, with Kasumi). 

[shepskisaac]

If Vega's not a LI, then in terms of squadmates-LIs ME3 is the same as ME1. Liara, Ash, Kaidan. Sam, Cortez, Diana are crew-members. This would kinda fit with the whole no new romances -> new romances transition. It would mean they simply added some crew member smaller romances. But then again, Kelly's convo confirms they did at least plan Vega to be a full-fledged LI.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 février 2012 - 04:04 .

[ElitePinecone]

katerinafm wrote...

So, so far it looks kind of like this from what the guy says: You can achieve 50% readiness in SP (we don't know if that's enough for the best endings or not...by the way what is considered the best ending, I haven't looked at them in ages), and you can 'import' MP level 20 characters that give you some permanent points but somehow the Galactic readiness gets lower over time (and does it get lower only with the MP points or with the SP as well...?)? Agh, confusing.

Kind of random but I'm really wondering about something in the demo, will holstering your weapons be available in the main game? I think I read somewhere about them not including the holstering weapons animations because it took up a lot of memory, but I didn't get if they were talking about the demo only or the full game as well.

GaW is an overall readiness rating, expressed as a number. According to SAFG it ranges in the thousands, and 5000+ guarantees a perfect ending even if you don't make the right game choices - I don't know how true that is. 

You get GaW points by doing major plot quests, sidequests, minigames, iOS games and MP.

Given how often devs have said you can get the perfect ending without touching multiplayer, I'd be hugely reluctant to believe that the SP only gives you half the GaW points. It doesn't match up at all with even the official FAQ.

The endings remain constant no matter your Galactic Readiness level, but the nuances of how they play out, and what other things are like in the galaxy, depend entirely on how many assets you've prepared.

(Isaac posted a list of 'war assets' in another thread - these are people, items and weapons you find across the galaxy during missions and minigames. They add to the numerical GaW meter in some way. There are, like, a hundred things to find, or some huge number)

I'm reasonably certain that if you do enough singleplayer minigames, the search and rescue mission, and N7 sidequests, you can easily max out the GaW meter. MP is just an alternate timesink if you don't want to do the search and rescue minigame, I'd tend to think. 

[Collider]

IsaacShep wrote...

If Vega's not a LI, then in terms of squadmates-LIs ME3 is the same as ME1. Liara, Ash, Kaidan. Sam, Cortez, Diana are crew-members. This would kinda fit with the whole no new romances -> new romances transition. It would mean they simply added some crew member smaller romances. But then again, Kelly's convo confirms they did at least plan Vega to be a full-fledged LI.

That's why I find it completely believable that Vega isn't an option.
As for Diana, she fills the same role of being an extra female fling option, like Kelly was in ME2.

[Drinking Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

If Vega's not a LI, then in terms of squadmates-LIs ME3 is the same as ME1. Liara, Ash, Kaidan. Sam, Cortez, Diana are crew-members. This would kinda fit with the whole no new romances -> new romances transition. It would mean they simply added some crew member smaller romances. But then again, Kelly's convo confirms they did at least plan Vega to be a full-fledged LI.

Less romances, more effin galactical readiness, huh. Earth may burn down then 

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

If Vega's not a LI, then in terms of squadmates-LIs ME3 is the same as ME1. Liara, Ash, Kaidan. Sam, Cortez, Diana are crew-members. This would kinda fit with the whole no new romances -> new romances transition. It would mean they simply added some crew member smaller romances. But then again, Kelly's convo confirms they did at least plan Vega to be a full-fledged LI.

I agree with your theory in the first bit, and it's the second thing that's confusing me. 

Vega was clearly planned, even though they'd said no new romances. It sounds like plans were very up in the air at some points. 

(Maybe he still is an option, which means SAFG was misinformed?)

[Collider]

I don't know how "planned" you can say Vega was when at best there were 2 or 3 "romance" lines. One of which is generic.

Modifié par Collider, 18 février 2012 - 04:08 .

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

As for Diana, she fills the same role of being an extra female fling option, like Kelly was in ME2.

Definitely, (although there was TrueLove achievement for her for some reason in Coalsced... though maybe it was suppoused to be Samantha?). Still, the numbers of f/f LIs is what doesn't add up to me. She literally has the greatest ME3-selection of all Sheps. I'm really thinking either Ash or Diana will be straight.

[ElitePinecone]

Collider wrote...

I don't know how "planned" you can say Vega was when at best there were 2 or 3 "romance" lines. One of which is generic.

Well, yeah.

But he's undeniably one of the responses available to Kelly's question. 

[Collider]

Definitely, (although there was TrueLove achievement for her for some reason in Coalsced... though maybe it was suppoused to be Samantha?)

Considering how often Kaidan's name is misspelled, I could see that as simply a programmer getting Allers mixed up with Samantha, yes.

Modifié par Collider, 18 février 2012 - 04:10 .

[ElitePinecone]

Collider wrote...

Definitely, (although there was TrueLove achievement for her for some reason in Coalsced... though maybe it was suppoused to be Samantha?)

Considering how often Kaidan's name is misspelled, I could see that as simply a programmer getting Allers mixed up with Samantha, yes.

I'm more concerned and baffled by whoever among the writers managed to get this in the November .tlk file:

Sheppard is contacted by Andersen aboard the normandy.

[Collider]

Or this:
(Kaidan line, btw)
"We didn't do anything to disserve this. People are dying at the whim, the freaking whim, of something evil."

[Ryzaki]

Come on guys it's a few typos in a load of pages script. Now you guys know if you wrote something that long there would be more typos than that

[Collider]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't know how "planned" you can say Vega was when at best there were 2 or 3 "romance" lines. One of which is generic.

Well, yeah.

But he's undeniably one of the responses available to Kelly's question. 

Right. So if they scrapped James' romance, they really didn't have to remove much, based upon the script.

[Dhiro]

So Vega is probably not a S/S LI? Booh.

[ElitePinecone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Come on guys it's a few typos in a load of pages script. Now you guys know if you wrote something that long there would be more typos than that

But, 'disserve'?

There's always the possibility we missed some of Vega's lines, or they weren't there to begin with. Did anyone seriously sit through and read the entire thing?

But the tidbits that were there don't seem nearly enough to sound like a full romance arc. Flirting, perhaps, at best. 

I don't know - it's really confusing. Happy to have reasonable certainty in the VS though.

[shepskisaac]

Dhiro wrote...

So Vega is probably not a S/S LI? Booh.

It's possible he's not LI at all, not even for FemShep

ElitePinecone wrote...

I don't know - it's really confusing. Happy to have reasonable certainty in the VS though.

I'm fairly positive about Kaidan, mainly because of the combination of Sbarge and SAFG's statements. But Ash, not so sure. The number is f/f LIs based on what we know/assume ATM is just too big compared to everyone else for me to believe it.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 février 2012 - 04:30 .