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[ElitePinecone]

Abispa wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Think we'll find out who the s/s options are before ME3 comes out? Not sure if I'd prefer a surprise or to find out before hand so I can make a suitable Shep.

Reading some of the cryptic releases from Bioware make me believe that not even THEY know just who all will be availabe for S/S romance. At the very least the new LIs probably will, but I get the sense that within Bioware and EA themselves they're divided on the issue of S/S with veteran squad-mates.

Hm, I'm not entirely sure that's true - my interpretation of Casey's tweets was that they'd planned the romances out by the time they actually announced it.

I doubt BW would announce m/m and f/f and then have to come up with the specific content. 

Besides, it may not even necessarily be with 'permanent' squadmates - Christina Norman has said that squad members won't necessarily work the same way as in ME/ME2. 

It could be a random fling on the Normandy with a Kelly-esque character for both m/m and f/f. That would suck, but it counts as 's/s' under the definition given in the tweet. 

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

hope not, though it would make for an exellent reason for some massive fan raging in the forums:D

[Maugrim]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Besides, it may not even necessarily be with 'permanent' squadmates - Christina Norman has said that squad members won't necessarily work the same way as in ME/ME2. 

It could be a random fling on the Normandy with a Kelly-esque character for both m/m and f/f. That would suck, but it counts as 's/s' under the definition given in the tweet. 

S/S romance(s) may or may not be permanent squadies (I'd bet on permanent though) but they will  be full romances of the Ashley, Kaidan,  Liara, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Jack and Thane varieties.  I get we've been somewhat burned in the past by Bioware but they've never tried to pass off  say Kelly or hell even Liara as a s/s romance despite the great facehoofing the latter caused.    It behooves us to be reasonable in our expectations on both sides of the issue including not acting like Bioware is out to deliberately screw us.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 20 juin 2011 - 09:07 .

[ElitePinecone]

makenzieshepard wrote...
It behooves us to be reasonable in our expectations on both sides of the issue including not acting like Bioware is out to deliberately screw us.

Undoubtedly. I have only the best expectations of what Bioware will produce.

I'm only speculating based on what we know. Squadmates won't all work in the same way as ME/ME2 - it's entirely possible that romances may be with persistent characters who aren't necessarily active members of the squad. 

Up to the point where we get some more information, speculation is all we have. Given that, I see no harm in speculating based on a question someone asked. 

[ms_sunlight]

Jademoon121 wrote...

ms_sunlight wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

I'm must be in the minority then, I don't think Kaidan's attractive at all. He's too sweet and soft for me, and I'm really tired of the "sweet guy" that Bioware pastes in every game. Garrus, with his "I don't give a f$%^" attitude, I like, even though he's an alien.

"Sweet guy"?  Kaidan is not sweet.  He is soft spoken and self-controlled, but don't forget when he lost his temper as a kid he used his biotic powers and snapped his Turian instructor's neck.  He has good reason to keep himself reigned in.

Than he's soft then. My point is that he's no different from Carth(heck I think they both have the same voice actor) in terms of archetype, and I don't find it attractive. He's, as TV Tropes who'd put it, Estogen Birdgade Bait, made to carter to the tastes of most women, and some men. Is that a bad thing? 'Course not, it's good that Bioware has their clientel in mind; but for once, I'd like something different.

I respectfully disagree.  Not to your taste?  Fair enough - he's not to mine either - but I don't think he's a Carth dupe.  For one, Kaidan whines a lot less.  You say "sweet" or "soft", I say "self-controlled" and "professional".  Kaidan never hesitates to make his mind known, but he's career military and Shepard is his CO.

[shepskisaac]

bleetman wrote...
Part of me hopes they're doing it to avoid nine months of complaining about how character/s X don''t fit, or just plain haven't finalised who yet. Because it's all going to be marvelously written and implemented.

And instead we're getting complaints about every single character since no matter how many times Casey's tweets can be posted there'll still be people think they're gonna make everyone bi.

bleetman wrote...
The other part is suspicious they're just planning to add Vega as s/s for male characters, reconsidering Liara as s/s for females and calling it a day.

If that's the case, let's just say we are not gonna be happy

ElitePinecone wrote...
It could be a random fling on the Normandy with a Kelly-esque character for both m/m and f/f. That would suck, but it counts as 's/s' under the definition given in the tweet. 

If they plan to half-ass it, they might as well not bother at all. We didn't wait this long to be satisfied with Kelly nonsense. 2 full s/s LIs for guys, 1 old 1 new and 1 new s/s LI for girls (since they have Liara) is the minimum IMO. Anything less and it would just feel 'fine, have your s/s romances but don't expect anything good or having a choice'.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juin 2011 - 02:21 .

[Siansonea]

makenzieshepard wrote...
It behooves us to be reasonable in our expectations on both sides of the issue including not acting like Bioware is out to deliberately screw us.

This is good advice, and "behooves" works on two levels if you're a poneh, so I like it. 

I suspect that with so much time left before the game comes out, the folks at BioWare probably haven't nailed down all the particulars just yet with regard to the who's and the what's of romance, same-sex or otherwise. I doubt that everything has been written and recorded yet. So they're probably watching this thread and it's less positive cousin, as well as all the various polls we make, to get a sense of what the fans want. I doubt they'll just do what the majority of us ask them to do, because the romance storylines still have to fit within the game as a whole, but whatever they do ought to be informed by what we the fans have requested and discussed. Casey Hudson admitted that even though he doesn't post on the BSN, he has been known to lurk, and I imagine if he was curious about the fans opinions on this subject, he'd poke his head in here. So continuing the discussion is a good thing. 

[shepskisaac]

Siansonea II wrote...
So they're probably watching this thread and it's less positive cousin, as well as all the various polls we make, to get a sense of what the fans want. I doubt they'll just do what the majority of us ask them to do, because the romance storylines still have to fit within the game as a whole, but whatever they do ought to be informed by what we the fans have requested and discussed.

At east lets be happy the polls are in our favour then, pro-gay romances (indlucing old LIs options) always win against the opponets

[XX55XX]

IsaacShep wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
So they're probably watching this thread and it's less positive cousin, as well as all the various polls we make, to get a sense of what the fans want. I doubt they'll just do what the majority of us ask them to do, because the romance storylines still have to fit within the game as a whole, but whatever they do ought to be informed by what we the fans have requested and discussed.

At east lets be happy the polls are in our favour then, pro-gay romances (indlucing old LIs options) always win against the opponets

I only approve of S/S romances for characters where it has been hinted in previous games that they have homosexual tendencies. Tali, Jack, are good candidates for S/S. For other characters without such history, I am a bit more leary.

[shepskisaac]

XX55XX wrote...
I only approve of S/S romances for characters where it has been hinted in previous games that they have homosexual tendencies. Tali, Jack, are good candidates for S/S. For other characters without such history, I am a bit more leary.

Kaidan's hinted at it very clearly on Horizon

[AngelicMachinery]

IsaacShep wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
I only approve of S/S romances for characters where it has been hinted in previous games that they have homosexual tendencies. Tali, Jack, are good candidates for S/S. For other characters without such history, I am a bit more leary.

Kaidan's hinted at it very clearly on Horizon

See this is where "Hinting" because difficult,  because people are going to see different scenes/traits/etc as hints to hetero/******/bisexuality.  Why is one persons interepration better than the rest?  Ergo,  it's probably best to wait and see what BW thinks.

[Rinji the Bearded]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
I only approve of S/S romances for characters where it has been hinted in previous games that they have homosexual tendencies. Tali, Jack, are good candidates for S/S. For other characters without such history, I am a bit more leary.

Kaidan's hinted at it very clearly on Horizon

See this is where "Hinting" because difficult,  because people are going to see different scenes/traits/etc as hints to hetero/******/bisexuality.  Why is one persons interepration better than the rest?  Ergo,  it's probably best to wait and see what BW thinks.

That's true, while I saw Kaidan approaching Shepard like he wanted to jump his bones right then and there, giving him a chaste handshake, then proclaiming that losing Shepard was like losing a limb and yelling at Shepard about not calling and etc was totally gay tension, not everyone else is going to see it my way.

I CAN DREAM

[shepskisaac]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
I only approve of S/S romances for characters where it has been hinted in previous games that they have homosexual tendencies. Tali, Jack, are good candidates for S/S. For other characters without such history, I am a bit more leary.

Kaidan's hinted at it very clearly on Horizon

See this is where "Hinting" because difficult,  because people are going to see different scenes/traits/etc as hints to hetero/******/bisexuality.  Why is one persons interepration better than the rest?  Ergo,  it's probably best to wait and see what BW thinks.

Of course Just saying that the Horizon scene could easily be interpreted like that, even many straight guys saw it that way

[Destroy Raiden_]

Those polls are actually flawed because posters who otherwise would be against it won't touch that subject with a 10 foot pole so their inaction leads to less votes and there is also nothing to stop posters from voting multiple times.

There is nothing to suggest past LI options beyond Liara where or wanted to be bi sense they never said they where into that.

Tali's linking suits is best friends related as sighted on the topic by Rann who said she linked suits with Tali's mom linking suits in a f/f or m/m way is bff not gay or bi for Quarians. Linking suits in a m/f or f/m way is romantic relationship. Everyone also excludes that getting the romance info on msheps is meta gaming you didn't know about that until you played mshep or watched it via youtube. You can't just roll over text interchangeably with these characters if it's not present from one shep to the other. There is also the fact that fshep and Tali's story ends at the drive core and mshep and tali's ends in the bedroom.

For instance I can metagame in FO4 and findout that one of the dinosnipers is gay when I play mcharacter but when I play fcharacter he could care less about her. I can try to make a case all I want he is straight solely based off the fact he talks to both my characters in similar ways but fcharacter story ends after his mission with no interest mcharacter gets the interests lines.

So no to all past LI becoming s/s option
fine with new characters being s/s option

[AngelicMachinery]

RinjiRenee wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
I only approve of S/S romances for characters where it has been hinted in previous games that they have homosexual tendencies. Tali, Jack, are good candidates for S/S. For other characters without such history, I am a bit more leary.

Kaidan's hinted at it very clearly on Horizon

See this is where "Hinting" because difficult,  because people are going to see different scenes/traits/etc as hints to hetero/******/bisexuality.  Why is one persons interepration better than the rest?  Ergo,  it's probably best to wait and see what BW thinks.

That's true, while I saw Kaidan approaching Shepard like he wanted to jump his bones right then and there, giving him a chaste handshake, then proclaiming that losing Shepard was like losing a limb and yelling at Shepard about not calling and etc was totally gay tension, not everyone else is going to see it my way.

I CAN DREAM

Oh,  I have absolutely no problem with people dreaming.  I must admit I'm in the camp that believes a chunk of the caste could in fact be bisexual.  I must admit Kaidan's line does seem to suggest interest in a character on more than a platonic level,  but,  everyone is going to have varied opinions on these things.

[gaymerboy]

I would love for Kaiden to be an option but I keep thinking this new character James Vega might be the male partner for our Shepherd. Btw when Bioware announced s/s romance for ME3 I did not think I was as happy as I am playing through ME1 and ME2 with a male Shepherd, especially since I have to be single for the first two games, but I am doing it with a smile on my face

[78stonewobble]

*thinks that lurking bioware employees should make a stickied thread named "ME3 suggestions"*

Oh... and they're pretty much all straight in my interpretation.... Except for the asari who are just asari.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

There is nothing to suggest past LI options beyond Liara where or wanted to be bi sense they never said they where into that.

By that same logic, it could be said that Tali and Garrus's romance options in ME2 were a retcon because they were not previously interested in humans, nor did they give any such indication.  In fact, Garrus is still not into humans, just Shepard.

[Rinji the Bearded]

gaymerboy wrote...

I would love for Kaiden to be an option but I keep thinking this new character James Vega might be the male partner for our Shepherd. Btw when Bioware announced s/s romance for ME3 I did not think I was as happy as I am playing through ME1 and ME2 with a male Shepherd, especially since I have to be single for the first two games, but I am doing it with a smile on my face

I had a lot of fun as a lonely male Shepard.  To me, it added some roleplaying opportunity (in my head) when he was having to turn down the couple of crewmates who grew to like him.  It also added a major loneliness factor at the end of LotSB, so I can't wait for my Shepard to finally find someone in ME3.

The romances feel rather tacked on to me, rather than being part of the actual story.

[AngelicMachinery]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

. Linking suits in a m/f or f/m way is romantic relationship. Everyone also excludes that getting the romance info on msheps is meta gaming you didn't know about that until you played mshep or watched it via youtube. You can't just roll over text interchangeably with these characters if it's not present from one shep to the other.

Using this line of defence is weak,  I've seen the same line used CONSTANTLY to attack the all bisexual cast in Dragon Age 2.  Oddly enough,  it seems to be okay there but when it's made FOR bisexuality the point becomes null and void.

[shepskisaac]

Destroy Raiden wrote...
Everyone also excludes that getting the romance info on msheps is meta gaming you didn't know about that until you played mshep or watched it via youtube. You can't just roll over text interchangeably with these characters if it's not present from one shep to the other. There is also the fact that fshep and Tali's story ends at the drive core and mshep and tali's ends in the bedroom.

But Kaidan's "Losing you was like losing a limb...! Why didn't you call me?!?!?!" IS part of ManShep's story and Jack's confession on past same-sex experiences IS a part of FemShep's story.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juin 2011 - 04:00 .

[Siansonea]

RinjiRenee wrote...

gaymerboy wrote...

I would love for Kaiden to be an option but I keep thinking this new character James Vega might be the male partner for our Shepherd. Btw when Bioware announced s/s romance for ME3 I did not think I was as happy as I am playing through ME1 and ME2 with a male Shepherd, especially since I have to be single for the first two games, but I am doing it with a smile on my face

I had a lot of fun as a lonely male Shepard.  To me, it added some roleplaying opportunity (in my head) when he was having to turn down the couple of crewmates who grew to like him.  It also added a major loneliness factor at the end of LotSB, so I can't wait for my Shepard to finally find someone in ME3.

The romances feel rather tacked on to me, rather than being part of the actual story.

My lonely gay male Shepard was also a Colonist/Sole Survivor, so I role-played him as just accepting his lot in life as a solitary man. He chatted up Kaidan, but never seemed to get anything back, Kaidan seemed to be all-business. He innocently tried to talk to Ashley too, and she started flirting heavily with him, and he had to back away slowly. And since he didn't really have a strong relationship with either Ashley or Kaidan, the Virmire decision had more to do with the fact that he and Kaidan were both Sentinels, and Shepard knows how valuable human biotic soldiers are having gone through the exact same training as Kaidan. Liara didn't show up until after Virmire, so he didn't really have time to get to know her. She seemed nice enough, but asari are reeally feminine looking and that wasn't his bag. Aliens in general aren't his thing. He likes men. 

In the second game, Kaidan's "losing a limb" line on Horizon made him raise an eyebrow, but like us players he filed it away as a "maybe, maybe not" kind of thing. And it had been two years for Kaidan. For all Shepard knows, Kaidan could be married with a kid by now, Anderson sure didn't say a lot when he asked about Kaidan. In any case, he's not expecting Kaidan to suddenly admit to having feelings for him, he's not expecting any love from anyone. Whatever he does find in ME3, will be a very pleasant surprise for a stoic, but rather sad and lonely man.

Because of his introspective and solitary nature, I've played him as a very neutral character in conversation, but he tends to make Paragon decisions. He just doesn't really relate to people all that well, his experiences on Mindoir and Akuze really damaged him, and he doesn't want to burden people with that so he keeps it to himself. Besides, when you get too close, people tend to die and leave you alone. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Siansonea II wrote...

My lonely gay male Shepard was also a Colonist/Sole Survivor, so I role-played him as just accepting his lot in life as a solitary man. He chatted up Kaidan, but never seemed to get anything back, Kaidan seemed to be all-business. He innocently tried to talk to Ashley too, and she started flirting heavily with him, and he had to back away slowly. And since he didn't really have a strong relationship with either Ashley or Kaidan, the Virmire decision had more to do with the fact that he and Kaidan were both Sentinels, and Shepard knows how valuable human biotic soldiers are having gone through the exact same training as Kaidan. Liara didn't show up until after Virmire, so he didn't really have time to get to know her. She seemed nice enough, but asari are reeally feminine looking and that wasn't his bag. Aliens in general aren't his thing. He likes men. 

In the second game, Kaidan's "losing a limb" line on Horizon made him raise an eyebrow, but like us players he filed it away as a "maybe, maybe not" kind of thing. And it had been two years for Kaidan. For all Shepard knows, Kaidan could be married with a kid by now, Anderson sure didn't say a lot when he asked about Kaidan. In any case, he's not expecting Kaidan to suddenly admit to having feelings for him, he's not expecting any love from anyone. Whatever he does find in ME3, will be a very pleasant surprise for a stoic, but rather sad and lonely man.

Because of his introspective and solitary nature, I've played him as a very neutral character in conversation, but he tends to make Paragon decisions. He just doesn't really relate to people all that well, his experiences on Mindoir and Akuze really damaged him, and he doesn't want to burden people with that so he keeps it to himself. Besides, when you get too close, people tend to die and leave you alone. 

My lonely manshep isn't quite that lonely, as he was a Spacer/War Hero.  He always has Captain Mom for support!  I guess having a much more varied background with no real roots anywhere, he might have been a little shy or wary of making really close bonds because he was always on the move with his parents, and since he's a by-the-book kind of guy, fraternization is kind of a no-no anyway.  But then he grew really close with his crew with ME1, perhaps more than he bargained for.

In ME2 he probably thought of his former crewmates a lot after he was revived, especially his former Lieutenant (who he might have had some budding feelings for, though obviously neither of them seemed to have outward interest).  Of course he was happy to see a lot of his crew back again, he heard about the trouble on Horizon and ran into Kaidan... and needless to say, that confrontation has left him even more confused than before.

If Kaidan isn't available in ME3, I'm going to say that Shepard was willing to let it go... and meanwhile held onto someone who probably has similar feelings as he does.

[NICKjnp]

Reading into something is not "hinted". It is you projecting what you want to see. Kaidan says the "losing a limb" to Femshep who didn't romance him as well. He never makes any reference to being attracted to men...infact it is the opposite. He makes plenty of comments about women. Furthermore if there is any indication in-game it is that he is interested in Asari. I know you like him...but I'm sure Bioware will do a fine job with Vega (and the new female squadmate for wome). There is no need to change him or any other character...it detracts from the character when they are changed for fan service (just look at what happened with Tali). So trust Bioware to give a good s/s romance with Vega (and the new female squadmate).

[Rinji the Bearded]

NICKjnp wrote...

Reading into something is not "hinted". It is you projecting what you want to see. Kaidan says the "losing a limb" to Femshep who didn't romance him as well. He never makes any reference to being attracted to men...infact it is the opposite. He makes plenty of comments about women. Furthermore if there is any indication in-game it is that he is interested in Asari. I know you like him...but I'm sure Bioware will do a fine job with Vega (and the new female squadmate for wome). There is no need to change him or any other character...it detracts from the character when they are changed for fan service (just look at what happened with Tali). So trust Bioware to give a good s/s romance with Vega (and the new female squadmate).

So there's nothing to say that he doesn't always have feelings for male shepard AND female shepard?  s/s does not means exclusively gay.  Also, Garrus and Tali never showed any interest in humans in ME1... and we all know  how that turned out.  Fanservice or no, it was Bioware's decision.