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[Akrim_Drak]

Long time no speak ladies and gentleladies. I've been lurking the past few weeks. So it seems we might actually have actual gay LIs? Way to go from no s/s LIs to all out gay. I hope that's not just a rumor. :/ I've read about Kaidan and Ash too but I only played the first ME because I thought (after learning about Sky in Jade Empire) I could get some lovey time with Kaidan.

I was honestly crushed when I found out it wasn't so. I really hope those spoilers turn out to be true. I can't get my hopes up only to have my nerdy heart crushed again.

Edit: Also I have been wondering. Can you change your appearance when importing? I haven't seen anything on that yet(not that I've really looked) I want to give my Shepard a touch-up.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 23 février 2012 - 06:21 .

[jlb524]

Akrim_Drak wrote...
Edit: Also I have been wondering. Can you change your appearance when importing? I haven't seen anything on that yet(not that I've really looked) I want to give my Shepard a touch-up.

I believe you can tweak an imported Shepard.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Can we steer away from this argument.

If Kaidan and Ashley are available for s/s - and it looks like they are - then they're available for s/s.

We don't need a thesis on human sexual behaviour to work out why or how. You can headcanon it if you like, but Bioware aren't going to give it any explanation beyond the cursory "I've liked you since Eden Prime".

Agreed. But it still just seems kinda odd they would go the DA2 route. I thought the romances in that game felt cheap since EVERYONE was bisexual. In theory, I understand why they did it. But I don't think it made the romances better, and it really hurt the immersion for me. It's such an unrealistic expectation of everyone in the game world.

[RetroActiv]

I know some people wanted this but if the rumors are true they really over did it with the pandering this time. 2 new exclusive S/S romance options, Kaiden and Ashley are now both suddenly bi, Liara, and most likely the new James Vega Character will be bi. Is that everyone or did i leave some out? I guess "everyone is bi" is becoming a staple in bioware games now.

[Espurr]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Can we steer away from this argument.

If Kaidan and Ashley are available for s/s - and it looks like they are - then they're available for s/s.

We don't need a thesis on human sexual behaviour to work out why or how. You can headcanon it if you like, but Bioware aren't going to give it any explanation beyond the cursory "I've liked you since Eden Prime".

Agreed. But it still just seems kinda odd they would go the DA2 route. I thought the romances in that game felt cheap since EVERYONE was bisexual. In theory, I understand why they did it. But I don't think it made the romances better, and it really hurt the immersion for me. It's such an unrealistic expectation of everyone in the game world.

See, I disagree. I liked it that way, just because it meant each of my Hawkes could romance the character who best fit their personality, regardless of gender. While I think some of the development of those relationships could have been better/more in-depth, it had nothing to do with their availability to both genders and everything to do with the writing. It didn't hurt my immersion because all my playthroughs end up with different headcanons anyhow.

I don't think of it as "everyone is bisexual" so much as "whoever my PC falls in love with will love them back", which generally doesn't happen in RL so it's a nice little bit of escapism. Which is a big reason a lot of people play video games.

[Trooper-Cameron]

RetroActiv wrote...

I know some people wanted this but if the rumors are true they really over did it with the pandering this time. 2 new exclusive S/S romance options, Kaiden and Ashley are now both suddenly bi, Liara, and most likely the new James Vega Character will be bi. Is that everyone or did i leave some out? I guess "everyone is bi" is becoming a staple in bioware games now.

 http://www.destructo...ce-201258.phtml

Don't think there are changing everyone.

Modifié par Trooper-Cameron, 23 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Hahaha, there's that word again, "pandering."

Making more options is not pandering to any specific group. It's making more options available to everyone.

[Weltea]

RetroActiv wrote...

I know some people wanted this but if the rumors are true they really over did it with the pandering this time. 2 new exclusive S/S romance options, Kaiden and Ashley are now both suddenly bi, Liara, and most likely the new James Vega Character will be bi. Is that everyone or did i leave some out? I guess "everyone is bi" is becoming a staple in bioware games now.

um,Liara was "bi" before,when it comes to James Vega it's not even sure he's an LI and since Kaidan and Ashley are exclusive you could argue that only one of them is bi in your playthrough (besides,there was talk about making them bi in ME1 so I hardly think it counts as suddenly).
And non of the others are bi so I really don't see how "everyone is bi is becoming a staple in bioware games now"
And how is this overdoing the pandering but Tali and Garrus becoming romanceable isn't?

[EpicBoot2daFace]

ToastPants wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Can we steer away from this argument.

If Kaidan and Ashley are available for s/s - and it looks like they are - then they're available for s/s.

We don't need a thesis on human sexual behaviour to work out why or how. You can headcanon it if you like, but Bioware aren't going to give it any explanation beyond the cursory "I've liked you since Eden Prime".

Agreed. But it still just seems kinda odd they would go the DA2 route. I thought the romances in that game felt cheap since EVERYONE was bisexual. In theory, I understand why they did it. But I don't think it made the romances better, and it really hurt the immersion for me. It's such an unrealistic expectation of everyone in the game world.

See, I disagree. I liked it that way, just because it meant each of my Hawkes could romance the character who best fit their personality, regardless of gender. While I think some of the development of those relationships could have been better/more in-depth, it had nothing to do with their availability to both genders and everything to do with the writing. It didn't hurt my immersion because all my playthroughs end up with different headcanons anyhow.

I don't think of it as "everyone is bisexual" so much as "whoever my PC falls in love with will love them back", which generally doesn't happen in RL so it's a nice little bit of escapism. Which is a big reason a lot of people play video games.

Agreed on most points, and I wouldn't want to take that enjoyment away from you or anyone else who plays games. I just felt that none of the characters in DA2 had a sexual preference, and thus, it felt more unrealistic to me than DA:O and Mass Effect.

Games that use this type of mechanic, I like them to have a certain level of realism. That's why I liked Samara so much. She turns down Shepard because of who she is and what she believes in. Sure, it's gonna disappoint people. But it's realistic and adds to immersion. This is also true of other characters in the game. If everyone swings both ways, it means the game is no longer striving for realism and only cares about fan service.

Fan service isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it can go too far sometimes.

[SkillfullyInept]

RetroActiv wrote...

I know some people wanted this but if the rumors are true they really over did it with the pandering this time. 2 new exclusive S/S romance options, Kaiden and Ashley are now both suddenly bi, Liara, and most likely the new James Vega Character will be bi. Is that everyone or did i leave some out? I guess "everyone is bi" is becoming a staple in bioware games now.

Not everyone is bi. First, no one is 100% on Kaidan and Ash. And to be fair, those two really only count as
one option. Second, Steve and Samantha are gay, not bi. Third, that still leaves Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, and Thane as straight. Granted, I'm pretty sure a romance can't be started with them in ME3, but...they're still there, and they're still straight. And lastly, rumor has it that Vega isn't even romanceable.

So we have... maybe Kaidan/Ash, Liara, Steve/Samantha and possibly Vega as s/s options. Then we have Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, and Thane and possibly Vega (as we have no clue about him) as o/s only options. Anywhere from 2 to 4 bi/gay characters vs. 5 or 6 straight characters... I don't see how this is "pandering."

And if this sounds rude or anything, I apologize, because that isn't my intent. I just don't understand why some people consider this pandering.

Modifié par Butterz, 23 février 2012 - 06:55 .

[RetroActiv]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Hahaha, there's that word again, "pandering."

Making more options is not pandering to any specific group. It's making more options available to everyone.

You may not like the word "pandering" but it's less about simply having "more options" and more about appeasing the people on the forums who wanted this and have been petitioning for it for months/years. I was fine with introducing new characters to facilitate the s/s  romance quota but Kaiden and Ashely coming down with a case of "suddenly bi (because some people on message boards really wanted it) is definitely pandering

Modifié par RetroActiv, 23 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[Kemmer]

RetroActiv wrote...

I guess "everyone is bi" is becoming a staple in bioware games now.

Following that logic, Shepard is a hermaphrodite simply because in my game I play him as a male, but someone else plays the character as a female.  But guess what?  I'm able to separate the two game realities simply because my playthrough is not the same as someone else's.  It's really not that difficult.  I extend the same separation to companion characters, class choices, plot choices, etc.  What someone does with their companions doesn't make them "bi".  If you want your companions to be straight, tadah, they are, the same way that your character's gender is the one you choose completely independent of what other people are doing in their games.

Modifié par Kemmer, 23 février 2012 - 07:00 .

[jlb524]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Agreed on most points, and I wouldn't want to take that enjoyment away from you or anyone else who plays games. I just felt that none of the characters in DA2 had a sexual preference, and thus, it felt more unrealistic to me than DA:O and Mass Effect.

But it's okay that none of those characters show realistic preferences when it comes to physical attributes (which real people do have) and will romance any one regardless of physical appearance?

A.K.A., Ugly Shepard gets all the ladies!

RetroActiv wrote...

You may not like the word "pandering" but it's less about simply having "more options" and more about appeasing the people on the forums who wanted this and have been petitioning for it for months/years. I was fine with introducing new characters to facilitate the s/s  romance quota but Kaiden and Ashely coming down with a case of "suddenly bi (because some people on message boards really wanted it) is definitely pandering

The game is full of 'pandering'...it's just now that instead of it including 90% content that panders to straight males it's only 70% or something...

Modifié par jlb524, 23 février 2012 - 07:02 .

[Espurr]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Can we steer away from this argument.

If Kaidan and Ashley are available for s/s - and it looks like they are - then they're available for s/s.

We don't need a thesis on human sexual behaviour to work out why or how. You can headcanon it if you like, but Bioware aren't going to give it any explanation beyond the cursory "I've liked you since Eden Prime".

Agreed. But it still just seems kinda odd they would go the DA2 route. I thought the romances in that game felt cheap since EVERYONE was bisexual. In theory, I understand why they did it. But I don't think it made the romances better, and it really hurt the immersion for me. It's such an unrealistic expectation of everyone in the game world.

See, I disagree. I liked it that way, just because it meant each of my Hawkes could romance the character who best fit their personality, regardless of gender. While I think some of the development of those relationships could have been better/more in-depth, it had nothing to do with their availability to both genders and everything to do with the writing. It didn't hurt my immersion because all my playthroughs end up with different headcanons anyhow.

I don't think of it as "everyone is bisexual" so much as "whoever my PC falls in love with will love them back", which generally doesn't happen in RL so it's a nice little bit of escapism. Which is a big reason a lot of people play video games.

Agreed on most points, and I wouldn't want to take that enjoyment away from you or anyone else who plays games. I just felt that none of the characters in DA2 had a sexual preference, and thus, it felt more unrealistic to me than DA:O and Mass Effect.

Games that use this type of mechanic, I like them to have a certain level of realism. That's why I liked Samara so much. She turns down Shepard because of who she is and what she believes in. Sure, it's gonna disappoint people. But it's realistic and adds to immersion. This is also true of other characters in the game. If everyone swings both ways, it means the game is no longer striving for realism and only cares about fan service.

Fan service isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it can go too far sometimes.

I do see where you're coming from (re: fanservice). I think it gets difficult though when you're delving into a game like ME or DA where everyone has a different headcanon.

And I agree with you about Samara, as she is a very specifically written character whose response to attempted romance is in-line with that. That said, I feel like it comes down to being able to or unable to divorce sexual orientation from character. Samara's response being in-character, it was still the same response directed at BOTH genders of Shepard. While I think certain characters have personality/back story that would affect the direction any relationship with them would take (and they should be written accordingly), I don't think any characters have traits that would preclude their involvement with either gender.

And to be fair: I also have mixed feelings on the possible inclusion of S/S only romances as well (though I don't think thats been confirmed yet). On the one hand, it's something I never thought I'd see in a game like ME any time soon. But on the other hand, having them unavailable to straight sheps is unfair in the same way having certain characters unavailable for S/S was. And the whole "WELL NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS" argument I've seen floating around seems a little bit petty and counter-productive.

[Akrim_Drak]

RetroActiv wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Hahaha, there's that word again, "pandering."

Making more options is not pandering to any specific group. It's making more options available to everyone.

You may not like the word "pandering" but it's less about simply having "more options" and more about appeasing the people on the forums who wanted this and have been petitioning for it for months/years. I was fine with introducing new characters to facilitate the s/s  romance quota but Kaiden and Ashely coming down with a case of "suddenly bi" is definitely pandering.

Well to be fair they're pandering to the straight male gamer just as much aren't they? I mean Jessica Chobot in a stupid tight/low cut tank. That's nothing but fan service right there because she licked a psp and became a famous nerd idol.  Also from what I hear about the F/F shower scene that panders to the straight male just as much if not more than to a lesbian gamer.

But of course making Kaidan and Ashley "supposedly" *prays* bisexual is the bad kind of pandering. I don't consider it really pandering anyway or that hard to believe but I may be biased. Kaidan talks about a girl he liked when he like what 16ish? And I've gotta say religion is by no means some armor against homosexuality in Ashley's case. It's not -that- hard to believe...

[RetroActiv]

Butterz wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

I know some people wanted this but if the rumors are true they really over did it with the pandering this time. 2 new exclusive S/S romance options, Kaiden and Ashley are now both suddenly bi, Liara, and most likely the new James Vega Character will be bi. Is that everyone or did i leave some out? I guess "everyone is bi" is becoming a staple in bioware games now.

Not everyone is bi. First, no one is 100% on Kaidan and Ash. And to be fair, those two really only count as
one option. Second, Steve and Samantha are gay, not bi. Third, that still leaves Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, and Thane as straight. Granted, I'm pretty sure a romance can't be started with them in ME3, but...they're still there, and they're still straight. And lastly, rumor has it that Vega isn't even romanceable.

So we have... maybe Kaidan/Ash, Liara, Steve/Samantha and possibly Vega as s/s options. Then we have Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, and Thane and possibly Vega (as we have no clue about him) as o/s only options. Anywhere from 2 to 4 bi/gay characters vs. 5 or 6 straight characters... I don't see how this is "pandering."

And if this sounds rude or anything, I apologize, because that isn't my intent. I just don't understand why some people consider this pandering.

Well based on those numbers  and taking into account that homosexual relationships are far less common the fact that there are a nearly an equal abount of s/s romance options is pretty unrealistic. So yes I think it's pandering. I just hope the romances don't suffer the like they did in DA2 in there attempt to satisfy "everyone" by making all romance options bi.

[jlb524]

RetroActiv wrote...
Well based on those numbers  and taking into account that homosexual relationships are far less common the fact that there are a nearly an equal abount of s/s romance options is pretty unrealistic. So yes I think it's pandering. I just hope the romances don't suffer the like they did in DA2 in there attempt to satisfy "everyone" by making all romance options bi.

The amount of options heterosexual Shepard has is unrealistic based on real life (ex, how many guys do you know have women constantly throwing themselves at them?  Pretty much every woman they know?)

But I thought we were talking about a video game so...

[Kemmer]

RetroActiv wrote...

Well based on those numbers  and taking into account that homosexual relationships are far less common the fact that there are a nearly an equal abount of s/s romance options is pretty unrealistic. So yes I think it's pandering. I just hope the romances don't suffer the like they did in DA2 in there attempt to satisfy "everyone" by making all romance options bi.

Amazingly enough, in your game, homosexual relationships can be zero.  Because, you know, that's what you can choose.  Why does it matter what other people do in their games?  Does it throw you for a loop that someone plays Shepard as a different gender than yours?  Is it confusing to have someone else choose a different Virmire survivor?  This game is about options.  Having them doesn't warp reality, it does not divide by zero .  How someone else plays their game has no bearing on your game or the identities of the characters within.

Modifié par Kemmer, 23 février 2012 - 07:17 .

[RetroActiv]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Hahaha, there's that word again, "pandering."

Making more options is not pandering to any specific group. It's making more options available to everyone.

You may not like the word "pandering" but it's less about simply having "more options" and more about appeasing the people on the forums who wanted this and have been petitioning for it for months/years. I was fine with introducing new characters to facilitate the s/s  romance quota but Kaiden and Ashely coming down with a case of "suddenly bi" is definitely pandering.

Well to be fair they're pandering to the straight male gamer just as much aren't they? I mean Jessica Chobot in a stupid tight/low cut tank. That's nothing but fan service right there because she licked a psp and became a famous nerd idol.  Also from what I hear about the F/F shower scene that panders to the straight male just as much if not more than to a lesbian gamer.

But of course making Kaidan and Ashley "supposedly" *prays* bisexual is the bad kind of pandering. I don't consider it really pandering anyway or that hard to believe but I may be biased. Kaidan talks about a girl he liked when he like what 16ish? And I've gotta say religion is by no means some armor against homosexuality in Ashley's case. It's not -that- hard to believe...

Despite popular belief not all guys like to see two women going at it and I don't think there were guys  specially petetioning on the message boards for scantly clad women either. It's just one of those things people "assume" guys want. You can argue that sort of thing just as equally panders to bi/lesbian inclined female gamers as well.

Modifié par RetroActiv, 23 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[SkillfullyInept]

RetroActiv wrote...

Butterz wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

I know some people wanted this but if the rumors are true they really over did it with the pandering this time. 2 new exclusive S/S romance options, Kaiden and Ashley are now both suddenly bi, Liara, and most likely the new James Vega Character will be bi. Is that everyone or did i leave some out? I guess "everyone is bi" is becoming a staple in bioware games now.

Not everyone is bi. First, no one is 100% on Kaidan and Ash. And to be fair, those two really only count as
one option. Second, Steve and Samantha are gay, not bi. Third, that still leaves Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, and Thane as straight. Granted, I'm pretty sure a romance can't be started with them in ME3, but...they're still there, and they're still straight. And lastly, rumor has it that Vega isn't even romanceable.

So we have... maybe Kaidan/Ash, Liara, Steve/Samantha and possibly Vega as s/s options. Then we have Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, and Thane and possibly Vega (as we have no clue about him) as o/s only options. Anywhere from 2 to 4 bi/gay characters vs. 5 or 6 straight characters... I don't see how this is "pandering."

And if this sounds rude or anything, I apologize, because that isn't my intent. I just don't understand why some people consider this pandering.

Well based on those numbers  and taking into account that homosexual relationships are far less common the fact that there are a nearly an equal abount of s/s romance options is pretty unrealistic. So yes I think it's pandering. I just hope the romances don't suffer the like they did in DA2 in there attempt to satisfy "everyone" by making all romance options bi.

Well, if we're going to go that route, then you also have to take into account that there are other people on the Normandy. Whether romanceable or not, and whether or not you can even have an actual conversation with them, they are still there. With that, it actually makes the amount of bi/homosexual characters more credible... We have maybe four out of how many people on the Normandy?

I do see where you're coming from though. You don't like that a character, in your opinion, has been changed, and I completely understand that. I can actually sympathize, as I was outraged when Hendel was suddenly turned straight. However, a romance is optional, and from what I understand, they're all initiated by Shepard and only Shepard. So I'm pretty sure, so long as the player never steers a conversation in that direction, Ash/Kaidan will remain straight in your games. And from what I've heard, the romances are all very well written. So I don't think you need to worry about that.

[AxelBat]

It's hardly "pandering" to expand options to the s/s crowd as there as always been for the straight and female s/s crowd. To continue to push that point is both silly and dull.

Also, I'm never going to understand what all the fights are about with Ashley and Kaidan being "suddenly" bisexual (hopefully at least). Both characters act like they aren't interested in Shepard's gender and are instead only limited by the boundaries of the game. I don't know how close Ashley and lady Shepard get, but Kaidan acts pretty much in love with Shepard no matter the gender. I just played through it all again and M!Shep and Kaidan can flirt pretty darn hard.

Even if they didn't act attracted to Shepard, people change and grow. People probably don't suddenly become bi, but they can realize that they have been bisexual or gay the whole time. People can realize that they where afraid to admit this or see it in themselves. If you haven't met people who have gone through this then you probably haven't been out much.

On a final note, I like to think of it less like "all the characters are bi" and more like "the characters react to how I am playing the game." It didn't work all the well in DA2, but it could work. DA2 didn't do a whole lot of things right, so it's probably time we stop judging other things based on what DA2 did wrong.

Sorry for that wall of text there >.>

Modifié par AxelBat, 23 février 2012 - 07:24 .

[LukaCrosszeria]

RetroActiv wrote...

You may not like the word "pandering" but it's less about simply having "more options" and more about appeasing the people on the forums who wanted this and have been petitioning for it for months/years. I was fine with introducing new characters to facilitate the s/s  romance quota but Kaiden and Ashely coming down with a case of "suddenly bi (because some fans on message boards really wanted it) is definitely pandering

You feel slighted because you think you know what the characters are supposed to be like, so if BioWare takes them in a direction that you don't like, you accuse them of pandering to a very select group of players at the cost of the immersion for other gamers. But they're not your characters, they're not ours either. They're BioWare's, so what ever they do with them, live with it, because it's their game. You didn't design Kaidan nor Ashley, you're not the authority on their sexuality. If you think otherwise, take a look at the link I gave that StonedIdiot earlier: http://www.gamespot....lement-6350732/ 

Just enjoy the game, will ya? I never once got worked up about any of the DA2 chars hitting on me, about Anders suddenly liking a male Hawke without showing any interest in males before because hey, I'm not wound so tight I start diatribes about something that, according to my perception, threatens the immersion of a fantasy world I didn't even create in the first place. I never killed Zevran for hitting on my Warden, in fact my pretty male elf boinked him for all he was worth. As did my male Hawke with Fenris and if I can help it, maleShep with Kaidan. And I'm as straight as the day is long, buddy. Doesn't mean I don't have my fantasies. And I'm grateful to BioWare for giving me the opportunity to indulge them. The last thing I'm going to do is get on their case about it.

[Akrim_Drak]

RetroActiv wrote...

Despite popular belief not all guys like to see two women going at it and I don't think there were guys  specially petetioning on the message boards for scantly clad women either. You can argue that sort of thing just as equally panders to bi/lesbian inclined female gamers as well.

And there's guys and girls who could care less about Kaidan and Ashley so they won't get anything out of it either. It just means BioWare is trying to make options for more/different types of people. If that's just pandering then so be it. I just find it rather dumb people are going around complaining about them adding things that aren't absolutely destroying the lore or gameplay. People have way too much sense of entitlement anymore,(on both sides.) I applaud BioWare for adding more options, regardless of what they are. Unless they totally screw up the VS's "coming out" then how is that bad?  You get Diana, and Kelly and Ashley (I'm assuming you're going for a M/F relationship, if I'm incorrect then my apologies) and probably more random Asari. It's not like you'll ever see the gay or lesbian romances unless you pursue them. 

[Collider]

So I'm pretty sure, so long as the player never steers a conversation in that direction, Ash/Kaidan will remain straight in your games.

Why do people keep assuming this?
Many Mass Effect (and Bioware) love interests can flirt with the player character without being "steered."
Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara do this in ME1.
Miranda, Tali, Jack (arguably), and Garrus do this in ME2.

Looking at the script, it doesn't look like you have to steer Kaidan to get him to admit feelings for male Shepard.

[AxelBat]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

You may not like the word "pandering" but it's less about simply having "more options" and more about appeasing the people on the forums who wanted this and have been petitioning for it for months/years. I was fine with introducing new characters to facilitate the s/s  romance quota but Kaiden and Ashely coming down with a case of "suddenly bi (because some fans on message boards really wanted it) is definitely pandering

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You feel slighted because you think you know what the characters are supposed to be like, so if BioWare takes them in a direction that you don't like, you accuse them of pandering to a very select group of players at the cost of the immersion for other gamers. But they're not your characters, they're not ours either. They're BioWare's, so what ever they do with them, live with it, because it's their game. You didn't design Kaidan nor Ashley, you're not the authority on their sexuality. If you think otherwise, take a look at the link I gave that StonedIdiot earlier: http://www.gamespot....lement-6350732/ 

Just enjoy the game, will ya? I never once got worked up about any of the DA2 chars hitting on me, about Anders suddenly liking a male Hawke without showing any interest in males before because hey, I'm not wound so tight I start diatribes about something that, according to my perception, threatens the immersion of a fantasy world I didn't even create in the first place. I never killed Zevran for hitting on my Warden, in fact my pretty male elf boinked him for all he was worth. As did my male Hawke with Fenris and if I can help it, maleShep with Kaidan. And I'm as straight as the day is long, buddy. Doesn't mean I don't have my fantasies. And I'm grateful to BioWare for giving me the opportunity to indulge them. The last thing I'm going to do is get on their case about it.