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[ZehnWaters]

IsaacShep wrote...

SilverMoonDragon wrote...

If what you're saying is true, and Kaidan says something along the lines of "I've never felt this way about another man" or "It's only you Shepard" or something like that, than depending on how you play it it sounds like Kaidan is more pansexual than bi-sexual, or like other people have said Shepard-sexual...either way, so happy that MShep gets Kaidan

it's kind of like DA2, but even more up to interpetation. Pretty clear it's made this way so FemSheps can head-canon that he's actually still straight and will never meet a guy who makes him relalize he likes guys too, and at the same time ManSHeps can legitimately head-canon "you silly Kaidan you, it ain't just me, it doesn't work this way. If it wasn't for me, some other guy would sooner or later made you realize you like guys too"

It actually does work this way sometimes.

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

sounds like a pretty clear case of "its ok if its with you"  /shrug.  I'd rather they didn't take this particular shortcut, but hey, its easier to write then trying to explain Kaidan as bi-sexual.

That's why I said it's up for anyone's interpretation, and I knew you would like it this way Leah ;P Myself, I'm sticking to "silly kaidn you"

Modifié par IsaacShep, 24 février 2012 - 02:02 .

[xScarecrowX]

Question about the RI's. I have a character I'm finishing up ME2 with who has had no romance. What characters are going to be avaliable for her? I'm thinking that certain characters are going to be unavalible. I'm sure this will come up for those who are new to the ME universe, too.

[Bekkael]

Klace wrote...

I found the sig pic.
http://i52.tinypic.com/nyfdx3.jpg

So more Kaidan love for everyone! Congrats guys.

*waves at Klace* Nice to see you back as the spoiler god. I had your banner in my sig for quite a while last year with all those yummy DA2 spoilers you fed us.

[jeweledleah]

IsaacShep wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

sounds like a pretty clear case of "its ok if its with you"  /shrug.  I'd rather they didn't take this particular shortcut, but hey, its easier to write then trying to explain Kaidan as bi-sexual.

That's why I said it's up for anyone's interpretation, and I knew you would like it this way Leah ;P Myself, I'm sticking to "silly kaidn you"

actualy I don't.  i would have prefered him to be bisexual who just went from merely liking Shepard to it being more once they reconnect in ME3, rather then another version of Sky.  when I first read the spoiler, I basicaly went "did they hire Isaac to write this? "

oh well. i don't even have to headcanon him as straight, since they pretty much say he is, its just Shepard specificaly is so damn irresistible.

I'm now curious if they copy paste the dialogue for Ashley, just substituting woman for man

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

actualy I don't.  i would have prefered him to be bisexual who just went from merely liking Shepard to it being more

But this way, it would conflict logically with FemShep. If he knew already from ME1 he liked both girls and guys, why fell in love with FemShep from the beginning but take longer with ManShep? If both Sheps are suppoused to be the same character only with different gender, and if Kaidan liked both genders from the beginning, then he should fall in love in both at the same time. That's why only this way works or explaining that although he was bi and loved mShep from the beginning, he thought mShep was straight blah blah or some other reason why he didn't approach mShep earlier.

jeweledleah wrote...
when I first read the spoiler, I basicaly went "did they hire Isaac to write this? "

lmao xD I did think that some stuff sounded exactly like the way I wanted it - especially the Horizon connection I've been insisting on for ages, but some stuff is not like I've been speculating

jeweledleah wrote...

oh well. i don't even have to headcanon him as straight, since they pretty much say he is, its just Shepard specificaly is so damn irresistible.

What he says is one thing. It's not like he can know he will never feel anything like that for another man, he doesn't have the ability to see the future And IMO, if a guy likes youknowwhat, then it's not just that 1 single youknowwhat but other youknowwhats as well And frankly, SilverMoon said it well that it kind of all smells more like pansexuality which is of course different than heterosexuality

jeweledleah wrote...

I'm now curious if they copy paste the dialogue for Ashley, just substituting woman for man

Doubt it. Except for core missions dialogues, all their Normandy/romance dialogues in the leak were completly different

Anyway, I thought you would be happy with the way they did it ;P

[jeweledleah]

I suppose it could be pansexuality, and that's why I said friendship developing into attraction - that doesn't really conflict with femshep romance if he falls for a girl, but only sees the guy as a friend for now. crush? kinda does.

also knowing what I know about sex vs sexuality, specific sexual acts honestly mean nothing when it comes to attraction (straight men also occasionally like youknowwhat when administered by their girlfriends, while there are gay guys that don't). its the person, not the act that counts.

it could be pansexuality. but I'm not so sure, especially if I'm right and they will make him act like this doesn't even exist if you pick a friendship path option in a trigger conversation (I'm expecting something similar to Thane's trigger)

and that above is why I'm not a fan of the plot device. because its a character toggle. I don't like those. but if it lets you headcanon things, /shrug.

I'm mellow right now, because I can no longer take ME3 and its romances with any degree of seriousness. they are all chess pieces now, basically with about the same depth.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 24 février 2012 - 02:25 .

[Drone223]

The VS being a s/s romace is great news, I'm sure those who've been waiting for it will find it rewarding

achievement unlocked

@Klace
What romance's can only be continued from ME2 can you send me a PM about it, thanks

Modifié par Drone223, 24 février 2012 - 02:28 .

[Ryzaki]

In my opinion the romances were always chess pieces. It's not like once you chose the right gender romancing them was difficult.

[lietk12]

IsaacShep wrote...
If both Sheps are suppoused to be the same character only with different gender, and if Kaidan liked both genders from the beginning, then he should fall in love in both at the same time. That's why only this way works or explaining that although he was bi and loved mShep from the beginning, he thought mShep was straight blah blah or some other reason why he didn't approach mShep earlier.

Would it have been in-character for bioware to have explained it as "Shepard never seemed to show any interest in Kaidan, so Kaidan never took the first step"? Alternatively, that Kaidan felt Shepard was "the one" and therefore was all "I'll never fall in love again" (cookies to anybody who gets the reference!) with anyone else, much less any other man? Because that would be major d'awwww.

Anyways: yes, the Horizon connection was well-done.

Modifié par lietk12, 24 février 2012 - 02:30 .

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

I suppose it could be pansexuality, and that's why I said friendship developing into attraction - that doesn't really conflict with femshep romance if he falls for a girl, but only sees the guy as a friend for now

but my point is, if he liked both genders from the beginning then why would he see one only as friend? Although it ain't exactly how I wanted, it's still more logical IMO when we think that mShep & FemShep are suppoused to be the same character than making him fall in love with one gender later for no reason, even though he liked both genders from the beginning

jeweledleah wrote...

and that above is why I'm not a fan of the plot device. because its a character toggle. I don't like those. but if it lets you headcanon things, /shrug.

It's not a character toggle, he has feelings for mShep no matter what (because of Virmire, Shep's death, Horizon etc). Shep can only return those feelings or keep it professional (obviously will be an option after the first Kaidan's line), Shep can't make Kaidan not have those feelings

Ryzaki wrote...

In my opinion the romances were always
chess pieces. It's not like once you chose the right gender romancing
them was difficult.

This, not to mention, we're talking Kaidan (and Garrus), character you could "chess-piece" into Paragon or Renegade in ME1 lol

Modifié par IsaacShep, 24 février 2012 - 02:34 .

[silentassassin264]

I wake up and we have erected a Spoiler Shrine to the Spoiler God King Klace. A lot can happen in a nap (albeit rather long one).

[Jilinna]

AMMGGGGGGGGG <3

So happy for you guys!!! 

YAY bi Ash & Kaidan!!!! :O That dialogue was touching and beautifully written! I can't wait to play it out in a save game I will have to make one of these days! Wow the Bioware team needs a round of applause. That reminds me I need to finish my engineer play through now that I know she can romance Ash! I thought they would be perfect for each other from the start!

Thank you Klace!!!  I remember you from the days of DA2 you were pretty awesome then and you are pretty awesome now!

About Vega I am totally content with a romance like that. If everything in the leaked script stays the same I am very very content! I always thought that the only thing the Vega romance lacked in script was a sex scene but I absolutely loved everything else that came out of his mouth it actually looks like they are progressing naturally like Mac tweeted me.

I am absolutely ecstatic! I don't need a romance scene to seal the deal. I loved atton and carth in both games and they did not have any so I can handle no sexy time again I can imagine the rest after we stop the reapers.

GAH SO EXCITED!! 

If the lines from the leak stayed the same I know the ending lines for his romance and he admits he has feelings for Shepard there right before the final battle.If it is like a Kelly romance where it happens after I will die happy but even so I don't need it I am totally content with things as they are.

EDIT: I am just wondering now about Kelly and if she is a continued romance option and if Shiala and Gianna Parasini can be semi romanced in ME3.

Modifié par Jilinna, 24 février 2012 - 02:43 .

[Blacklash93]

Kaidan never says he liked MShep from the beginning. In fact, it seems he developed feelings for him after Virmire, Shepard's death, and Horizon.

As for female Shepard, Kaidan liked her from the start.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 février 2012 - 02:39 .

[coldSnap]

Klace wrote...

http://pastebin.com/Wzq0V9eR

(Not word for word but I Did it as best I could)

http://www.fairfaxun...L-HAPPY-GIF.gif\

Thank .You. Klace. My. Eternal. Hero

[Chun Hei]

[jeweledleah]

IsaacShep wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

I suppose it could be pansexuality, and that's why I said friendship developing into attraction - that doesn't really conflict with femshep romance if he falls for a girl, but only sees the guy as a friend for now

but my point is, if he liked both genders from the beginning then why would he see one only as friend? Although it ain't exactly how I wanted, it's still more logical IMO when we think that mShep & FemShep are suppoused to be the same character than making him fall in love with one gender later for no reason, even though he liked both genders from the beginning

jeweledleah wrote...

and that above is why I'm not a fan of the plot device. because its a character toggle. I don't like those. but if it lets you headcanon things, /shrug.

It's not a character toggle, he has feelings for mShep no matter what (because of Virmire, Shep's death, Horizon etc). Shep can only return those feelings or keep it professional (obviously will be an option after the first Kaidan's line), Shep can't make Kaidan not have those feelings

Ryzaki wrote...

In my opinion the romances were always
chess pieces. It's not like once you chose the right gender romancing
them was difficult.

This, not to mention, we're talking Kaidan (and Garrus), character you could "chess-piece" into Paragon or Renegade in ME1 lol

except I will bet you a dollar that if you don't hit an earlier toggle, you won't know of the existance of this scene and he'll act like you are friends, or professional colleagues or whatever else you decide you want him to be.  there will be no pip of the romance.  and didn't people in this very same thread keep saying that for bisexual people they don't always feel exactly the same about genders, up to an including being romanticaly atracted only to a single gender but sexualy - to both?

and they didn't used to feel like chess pieces to me before.  they do now.

and now i'm actualy hoping that some enterprising soul will go through that scene with ugly Shepard cause that would be histerical and match the ugly femshep version of  "beautiful, but not stuck up about it - like you" (I have to find that vid.

[wolf99000]

I was going to post about it being confirmed that ash and kaidan are 100% bi in me3

as for it being strange coming out now and not before as I have said before in here I am a bi girl and I dont tell everyone that fact even if I like another girl I dont just incase they are not in to it

as for feelings it is way realistic that you can be friends with someone for years and then one thing/moment changes how you feel about them

I for one have np with this as far as we know they were both supposed to be bi in mass effect 1 anyway

[Chun Hei]

jeweledleah wrote...

and they didn't used to feel like chess pieces to me before.  they do now.

Old Bioware romances felt like tic tac toe. If you were the right gender you could not lose. They may have been hard to get into bed but they fell in love with you instantly. In fact the hardest part was beating them off with a stick.

And MY experience with romance IRL tend to resemble chess matches.

[Ryzaki]

Well they always felt like chess pieces to me.

They lost t any potential of even being remotely real when no one reacted much differently to renedouche actions vs paragon Sheps ones. And when they did it didn't spill over into the romance.

@Chun: Pretty much. I didn't think it very realistic how all the o/s LIs are pretty much ripping my PCs clothes off until he/she was enough of a douche to repulse them or had to verbally reject them before they got the message.

Frankly it was agitating.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2012 - 03:05 .

[SolidBeast]

Chun Hei wrote...

Except we've learned it's actually the other way around.

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

except I will bet you a dollar that if you don't hit an earlier toggle, you won't know of the existance of this scene

Perhap bet even if it happens this way, how it is different to some other LIs? Miranda for example, if you select the right line in one of her dialogues, it cancels all romance stuff and she never admits she likes Shep.

jeweledleah wrote...

and now i'm actualy hoping that some enterprising soul will go through that scene with ugly Shepard cause that would be histerical and match the ugly femshep version of  "beautiful, but not stuck up about it - like you" (I have to find that vid.

That's a whole different issue, another unrealistic prt of ME romances, applies to all LIs

[Chun Hei]

SolidBeast wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

*Tragic snip.*

Except we've learned it's actually the other way around.

What happens when Shepard turns "the other way around"...

Modifié par Chun Hei, 24 février 2012 - 03:14 .

[Jilinna]

Chun Hei wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

*Tragic snip.*

Except we've learned it's actually the other way around.

What happens when Shepard turns "the other way around"...

Hah, That picture and your added writing still cracks me up Chun!

Modifié par Jilinna, 24 février 2012 - 03:17 .

[wolf99000]

how come all the posts against are about kaidan being bi but not ashley