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[Maugrim]

Guys don't make me break out the Arthur link that teaches the differences between facts and opinions!

Though for what it's worth I fall on the side of sexual attraction is important but can be overridden by "personality" because it's happened to me and I've seen it happen to many others.

Ok let's move on to the truly important question.  How long will you cry when you find out the LI you are interested in will not be available for s/s loving?

I figure I'll be moping until I pop ME3 in to be installed or a week or so, whichever is shorter.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 21 juin 2011 - 05:08 .

[AngelicMachinery]

if you thinking I'm saying sex doesn't matter you're wrong it is part of said formula but it's not really the key too a relationship it may help you in choosing a partner but the person themselves is what truly offers more to the relationship.

[AngelicMachinery]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Guys don't make me break out the Arthur link that teaches the differences between facts and opinions!

Though for what it's worth I fall on the side of sexual attraction is important but can be overriden by "personality" because it's happened to me and I've seen it happen to many others.

Ok let's move on to the truly important question.  How long will you cry when you find out the LI you are intersted in will not be avaliable for s/s loving?

I figure I'll be moping until I pop ME3 in to be installed or a week or so, whichever is shorter.

I won't be crying at all,  I want Jack but I'm pretty sure it won't be happening.

[vorianxavier]

If I find out the LI(s) I'm interested in won't be available, I'll remind myself that I never really had much hope that they would be in the first place until BW tweeted about it.

[KawaiiKatie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

if you thinking I'm saying sex doesn't matter you're wrong it is part of said formula but it's not really the key too a relationship it may help you in choosing a partner but the person themselves is what truly offers more to the relationship.

I'm just trying to say that sexuality, personality, and mutual commitment are equal parts of a relationship, but I keep hearing you say that no, personality is the SUPERIOR factor. I agree that personality is important, but it is equal to the other two factors. I'm not saying sexual attraction is the dominate factor in a relationship, I'm saying that it's equal to personal connection. I will never say that any one factor is more imporant than the other (or even "slightly more" important) because they are equal.

Again, in Mass Effect, if a love-interest entered a relationship with a Shepard whose personality did not mesh with theirs, I would find it just as "jarring" as a relationship whose sexual attraction didn't mesh. Because sexual attarction and personal connection are equal parts of a healthy relationship.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 21 juin 2011 - 05:14 .

[AngelicMachinery]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Again, in Mass Effect, if a love-interest entered a relationship with a Shepard whose personality did not mesh with theirs, I would find it just as "jarring" as a relationship whose sexual attraction didn't mesh. Because sexual attarction and personal connection are equal parts of a healthy relationship.

And yet,  we see personalities not meshing constantly in mass effect but the sex always seems to mesh (If it's straight that is.)   As such,  I typically have to roll my eyes when people say that "YOUR RUINING THE CHARACTER BY MAKING THEM GAY!"  When it would be far easier to say "Your ruining the character by forcing them to bend over backwards and accept any personality type."   Hell, this happens in relationships that aren't even based on sexuality.  Everyone loves Shepard no matter how big of a **** she is.  Is it really a stretch that sex can't simply be seen as another "Throw away" character trait  when it comes to interactions between PC and NPC?

[shepskisaac]

makenzieshepard wrote...
Ok let's move on to the truly important question.  How long will you cry when you find out the LI you are interested in will not be available for s/s loving?

No idea but I sure know I will be much more disappointed if I only find out Kaidan's not an s/s option when I play the game then I would be now if they just said if he is or not. Months of speculation, analyzing tweets and pure passing time will only make me and everyone else get our hopes up. If there are no old LI's being available as s/s romances in ME3, they should just say it and spare us and the forums constant fights over old LIs being bi or not.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 juin 2011 - 05:21 .

[Maugrim]

IsaacShep wrote...

No idea but I sure know I will be much more disappointed if I only find out Kaidan's not an s/s option when I play the game then I would be now if they just said if he is or not. Months of speculation, analyzing tweets and pure passing time will only make me and everyone else get our hopes up. If there are no old LI's being available as s/s romances in ME3, they should just say it and spare us and the forums constant fights over old LIs being bi or not.

But how would they brew their coffee of sorrow without our delicious rainbow tears?

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 21 juin 2011 - 05:26 .

[KawaiiKatie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Again, in Mass Effect, if a love-interest entered a relationship with a Shepard whose personality did not mesh with theirs, I would find it just as "jarring" as a relationship whose sexual attraction didn't mesh. Because sexual attarction and personal connection are equal parts of a healthy relationship.

And yet,  we see personalities not meshing constantly in mass effect but the sex always seems to mesh (If it's straight that is.)   As such,  I typically have to roll my eyes when people say that "YOUR RUINING THE CHARACTER BY MAKING THEM GAY!"  When it would be far easier to say "Your ruining the character by forcing them to bend over backwards and accept any personality type."   Hell, this happens in relationships that aren't even based on sexuality.  Everyone loves Shepard no matter how big of a **** she is.  Is it really a stretch that sex can't simply be seen as another "Throw away" character trait  when it comes to interactions between PC and NPC?

I AGREE WITH THAT! I said so with my VERY FIRST POST! It's jarring for love-interests to be completely in love with Shepard despite his/her personality, but I think it's just as jarring to enter a relationship when the sexual attraction doesn't mesh, either! No, we haven't seen that in a Mass Effect game and I agree that it's unfair that Bioware has thus far ignored the differences in Shepard and his/her love interests' personality. I simply take issue with the claim that personality is somehow more important (no matter by how slim a margin) than sexual attraction, because they are equal. No, sexual attraction is not the superior factor. But neither is personal connection. they are equal, and they deserve equal representation in the Mass Effect series. Let us hope that Shepard will be able to "match" his/her love interest in personality in ME3, and if he/she doesn't, let's hope that the love-interest at least notices or makes some sort of comment.

[Maugrim]

Guys didn't you already agree to disagree?

[KawaiiKatie]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Guys didn't you already agree to disagree?

Come on, now, be nice. We're still discussing same-sex relationships and we haven't pulled flames or insults into it. Until we do, please allow us to talk it out.


EDIT: Also, I completely support the idea of coffee brewed from rainbow tears.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 21 juin 2011 - 05:33 .

[ArawnNox]

makenzieshepard wrote...
Ok let's move on to the truly important question.  How long will you cry when you find out the LI you are interested in will not be available for s/s loving?

*stumbles back into the thread after a weekend of Convention-ing and sees a good question being asked*

Well, I'd be pretty down, that's for sure. I think it depends on who becomes an option and who isn't. I can learn to enjoy (heh!) Miranda, on the fence about Jack, and have my heart set on Tali, and Ashley would be a plesant surprise. I think Tali not being on the list would be the most disheartening, but if Ash is available then I'll be able to get over the lack of s/s Tali-mance.

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

IsaacShep wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
Ok let's move on to the truly important question.  How long will you cry when you find out the LI you are interested in will not be available for s/s loving?

No idea but I sure know I will be much more disappointed if I only find out Kaidan's not an s/s option when I play the game then I would be now if they just said if he is or not. Months of speculation, analyzing tweets and pure passing time will only make me and everyone else get our hopes up. If there are no old LI's being available as s/s romances in ME3, they should just say it and spare us and the forums constant fights over old LIs being bi or not.

my thoughts exactly, i'll be in extreme nerd rage for about 2 days at the least if i find out while playing, same happened in ME 2,  if they don't plan to make ash available they should just say it now so i can specualt which of the new squaddies my sheps are gonna fall for   which only happens if miri's not available aswell

Modifié par Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger, 21 juin 2011 - 05:34 .

[AngelicMachinery]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Guys didn't you already agree to disagree?

I really tried,  but the whole  condescending "You can't agree with equality" agitated me a little. 

[ArawnNox]

Okay, I know it's off topic, but the image post is the wrong character for that phrase.
Done uber-nerding, now.

[shepskisaac]

makenzieshepard wrote...
But how would they brew their coffee of sorrow without our delicious rainbow tears?

It's just tiring... I wanna support s/s romances with some old LIs in particular to help mine and other gaymers' chances to recieve as fulfilling romance experience in ME3 as possible (whch means not just a single new s/s LI that wouldn't provide any choice nor trilogy experience) but I've seen so many stereotypes, underlying animosity and in few cases even blatant bigotry in various threads in the last month that it's just disheartening

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 juin 2011 - 05:40 .

[KawaiiKatie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I really tried,  but the whole  condescending "You can't agree with equality" agitated me a little. 

And your inability to agree with equality irked me a little. So I replied. And then you replied. So I replied.

....it's a circle-jerk of irk.

.........ugh, whatever, I'm moving on with gay Kaidan.




....seriously, Bioware, in the next game, I can has? :happy:

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 21 juin 2011 - 05:40 .

[AngelicMachinery]

KawaiiKatie wrote...


And your inability to agree with equality irked me a little. So I replied. And then you replied. So I replied.

I agreed to back down...  but I should shut up now shouldn't I?

[jlb524]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
I simply take issue with the claim that personality is somehow more important (no matter by how slim a margin) than sexual attraction, because they are equal. No, sexual attraction is not the superior factor. But neither is personal connection. they are equal, and they deserve equal representation in the Mass Effect series.

I wouldn't say that's necessarily true, and would depend on the individual and whatever they put more importance in.

[KawaiiKatie]

jlb524 wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...
I simply take issue with the claim that personality is somehow more important (no matter by how slim a margin) than sexual attraction, because they are equal. No, sexual attraction is not the superior factor. But neither is personal connection. they are equal, and they deserve equal representation in the Mass Effect series.

I wouldn't say that's necessarily true, and would depend on the individual and whatever they put more importance in.

As I said earlier, people prioritize differently when selecting a romantic partner. But ultimately, for a relationship to last and become fully-relaized, you need personal connection, sexual attraction, and mutual commitment. All three of these factors are equally important in a long-lasting relationship. If any one factor is lacking, the relationship as a whole is lesser for it, and becomes less likely to last.

[KawaiiKatie]

Oh Tumblr, you amuse me so.

http://pics.livejour...435465872912407

I'm all for inter-party relationships! Maybe we'll see some in ME3.

[jlb524]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
As I said earlier, people prioritize differently when selecting a romantic partner. But ultimately, for a relationship to last and become fully-relaized, you need personal connection, sexual attraction, and mutual commitment. All three of these factors are equally important in a long-lasting relationship. If any one factor is lacking, the relationship as a whole is lesser for it, and becomes less likely to last.

I think that those three areas are needed and are important, but I wouldn't say they have to be absolutely equal for the relationship to work perfectly, as some people put more emphasis on looks while others the emotional connection.  However, none of these can be zero or near zero. 

[KawaiiKatie]

jlb524 wrote...

I think that those three areas are needed and are important, but I wouldn't say they have to be absolutely equal for the relationship to work perfectly, as some people put more emphasis on looks while others the emotional connection.  However, none of these can be zero or near zero. 

Certainly. But to imply the personal connection is the most important factor in a relationship, or that personal connection somehow warrants more attention than sexual connection in Mass Effect simply isn't fair.

I agree that Mass Effect has thus far put more emphasis on the sexual connection of Shepards' relationships (just look at femShep's "we should relieve stress together!" line) and that this isn't fair. More attention should definitely be paid to personal connection in the Mass Effect relationships. But should this be done at the expense of sexual connection? Absolutely not. Though inverted, it would be just as jarring a scenario if Shepard's relationships were all personal connection with no sexual attraction. The portrayal of Shepard's relationships needs both in equal measure to be healthy and believable.

[ArawnNox]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
As I said earlier, people prioritize differently when selecting a romantic partner. But ultimately, for a relationship to last and become fully-relaized, you need personal connection, sexual attraction, and mutual commitment. All three of these factors are equally important in a long-lasting relationship. If any one factor is lacking, the relationship as a whole is lesser for it, and becomes less likely to last.

I can provide a counter point to that, but it's one of those "exception to the rules" situations.
It was about an author, a famous one, who's name escapes me at the moment (I know, not helping). Long story short, he had a slew of mistresses, some of whom were actually good friends with his wife. After his wife died, he became a broken shell of a man, because, even though he'd had all these affairs, he'd lost his best friend.

Not sure what I'm adding to the discussion, here, but simply not all relationships can be judged on the same set of values. Think about those relationships that last, even though nobody thought it had a chance.

On Topic: In what ways would your Shepard fit with thier S/S partner?

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

well, my femshep and ash are bff's, and femshep's always had feelings for ash but didn'T make them known so she wouldn't mess up their friendship. she's the only person that really understands ash.  she's also the one that showed ash that aliens aren't that bad, especially the SR1 crew, and although the whole apparnet cerberus affiliation, shep has been able to solve the whole collector problem without compromising her principles and beliefs.

femshep has over the years somewhat come to think that her love for ash is hopeless, but still doesn't try to get over it.

so when ash is made an s/s option for ME 3, she'll be all the more happier;)