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[Finis Valorum]

IsaacShep wrote...
 Don't these people realize he's possibly more dangerous than Jack?

Always beware the cute ones.

While I'm happy that at least we'll be able to have some sort of romantic involvement with Kaidan in ME3, I just hope his "new" romance with ManShep plays out at least slightly different from his new romance with FemShep, otherwise it would just be an official mod with all the gender specific references and the sexy time scene(s) cut out, though that last one might actually prove to be a blessing.

Bah, I was a gullible fool to even be willing to believe Klace's fake dialogue just because I wanted something like that to be true.

[syllogi]

Collider wrote...

Oh no, I have noticed the difference in writing style.

However, I'm not entirely fond of the Ice Queens. Sometimes it's like they exist to glorify the male protagonist.

That's why, even though I recognize that characters like Viconia, Morrigan, and Miranda are more my "type" than any of the female romances that are actually available to female player characters, I wouldn't want a copy paste of the m/f romance.  There's too much of the "Taming of the Shrew" dynamic in these kind of relationships, where the hero pushes the magic button (lol) and the damsel is no longer untrusting, cold, angry, etc.  I know it's not all that simple, but I'd want more than that.

So I'm happy with the friendships my female characters can have with female characters I find attractive, right now.  I think the lack of a f/f friendship with Jack bothered me more than lack of a f/f romance.

[Hillbillyhat]

LiaraShepard wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...
I don't say Kaidan is useless. I just say, he's not badass. even if he's strong he's still more shy and well, reserved. but of course, he's not a worse soldier than ashley. Never wanted to say that. ashley isn't better than kaidan, she's just more assertive.

He's technically more badass than Ash its just that Ash has more attitude. None of them are really assertive at all in comparison to Shepard the commanding officer. I'm not even sure if Kaidan is any more shy than Ash anyway.

I don't know why, but I'm actually quite sure there's always a difference between bioware's male and female characters though I'm not able to express it in a good way. elite did say it in a good way though. there are so many people who recognize it. it can't be pure imagination.

People have their own weird definition of badass and assertiveness. Kaidan just seems less badass because he doesn't talk about his boomstick like Ashley does. Kaidan is someone who doesn't flaunt his skills at all nor complains about his problems. It actually has made him a better man for that. I would think that someone like that would be great for a relationship.

[jlb524]

Abispa wrote...

But many did abuse the gift system, and that system was PROVIDED BY BIOWARE, establishing that players don't REALLY want totally "realistic" LIs, they just want to choose the LI they like. No matter how well written they are, LIs are nothing more than accessories RPG players use to customize their heroes.

RPG aren't movies or novels. Players like choices. They like creating their heroes. They like choosing their lovers. They like dressing up their companions and choosing their skill sets. I can understand you having different demands than I on what makes for a fun RPG experience, but for myself, video games are, by their vary nature, ENTIRELY A FAN SERVICE. Given that RPG players seem to like [unrealistic] choices, I think it would be a good idea that DA3 writers improve the friendship/rivarly system to "help immersion" and bring back customizable party members.

It annoys me greatly that s/s critics [I'm NOT saying you, JeweledLeah] seem to think that such player tendencies are only wrong if the player is playing a s/s hero, or that it is the s/s romances that are the LAST STRAW in ruining "realistic" romances. Hell, we've even had people posting there that seemed to think DA:O was perfect, and only seemed to be able to site bisexuality as the reason DA2 LIs lacked "integrity" and "realism."

Hell yeah, +100

In past games, O/S protagonists can shag whomever LI they want and no one complains about how unrealistic that is.

Most people I know specifically like the RPG genre for the freedom of choice in shaping their own story.  I guess giving the same freedom to s/s players that o/s peeps have always had in regards to romances is stepping on some toes.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 février 2012 - 07:09 .

[Knightly_BW]

syllogi wrote...

Collider wrote...

Oh no, I have noticed the difference in writing style.

However, I'm not entirely fond of the Ice Queens. Sometimes it's like they exist to glorify the male protagonist.

That's why, even though I recognize that characters like Viconia, Morrigan, and Miranda are more my "type" than any of the female romances that are actually available to female player characters, I wouldn't want a copy paste of the m/f romance.  There's too much of the "Taming of the Shrew" dynamic in these kind of relationships, where the hero pushes the magic button (lol) and the damsel is no longer untrusting, cold, angry, etc.  I know it's not all that simple, but I'd want more than that.

So I'm happy with the friendships my female characters can have with female characters I find attractive, right now.  I think the lack of a f/f friendship with Jack bothered me more than lack of a f/f romance.

Morrigan's friendship path is more rewarding emotionally than her romance, in my opinion. Morrigan's declaration of her friendship to my warden some kinda honored me. I felt special. Yeah I know kinda silly but I feel that way (more silly thing my eyes get wet everytime I hear her friendship speeches, in camp and on Denerim gates )

[jlb524]

Asperius wrote...

Morrigan's friendship path is more rewarding emotionally than her romance, in my opinion. Morrigan's declaration of her friendship to my warden some kinda honored me. I felt special. Yeah I know kinda silly but I feel that way (more silly thing my eyes get wet everytime I hear her friendship speeches, in camp and on Denerim gates )

I agree (after doing both paths).  Friendship is way more awesome.  Her romance felt kinda forced to me, but her friend path just seemed to develop very naturally and subtley.

[Hillbillyhat]

jlb524 wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Morrigan's friendship path is more rewarding emotionally than her romance, in my opinion. Morrigan's declaration of her friendship to my warden some kinda honored me. I felt special. Yeah I know kinda silly but I feel that way (more silly thing my eyes get wet everytime I hear her friendship speeches, in camp and on Denerim gates )

I agree (after doing both paths).  Friendship is way more awesome.  Her romance felt kinda forced to me, but her friend path just seemed to develop very naturally and subtley.

I really loved how she said the warden could be like a sister to her. That was really awesome.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Asperius wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Collider wrote...

Oh no, I have noticed the difference in writing style.

However, I'm not entirely fond of the Ice Queens. Sometimes it's like they exist to glorify the male protagonist.

That's why, even though I recognize that characters like Viconia, Morrigan, and Miranda are more my "type" than any of the female romances that are actually available to female player characters, I wouldn't want a copy paste of the m/f romance.  There's too much of the "Taming of the Shrew" dynamic in these kind of relationships, where the hero pushes the magic button (lol) and the damsel is no longer untrusting, cold, angry, etc.  I know it's not all that simple, but I'd want more than that.

So I'm happy with the friendships my female characters can have with female characters I find attractive, right now.  I think the lack of a f/f friendship with Jack bothered me more than lack of a f/f romance.

Morrigan's friendship path is more rewarding emotionally than her romance, in my opinion. Morrigan's declaration of her friendship to my warden some kinda honored me. I felt special. Yeah I know kinda silly but I feel that way (more silly thing my eyes get wet everytime I hear her friendship speeches, in camp and on Denerim gates )

I loved Morrigan's friendship path and appreciated the developers for considering putting that in. What frustrates me so much about Jack is that I genuinely like that character and wanted to learn more about her without her deciding Shepard was a tease and telling him to **** off.

[Finis Valorum]

jlb524 wrote...
I agree (after doing both paths).  Friendship is way more awesome.  Her romance felt kinda forced to me, but her friend path just seemed to develop very naturally and subtley.

Maybe that's because her romance path is more forced since her primary goal ultimately remains conceiving an old god baby.
That said, I did like her friendship path, even when playing a male character much more then the romance and I do hope that in some future game Bioware might mix up their tropes a little bit and try an Ice King for once. Even if such an Ice King would turn out not to be s/s romanceable, I would still very much like him, I think, if they give him a good friendship path, like Morrigan's.

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...
I loved Morrigan's friendship
path and appreciated the developers for considering putting that in.
What frustrates me so much about Jack is that I genuinely like that
character and wanted to learn more about her without her deciding
Shepard was a tease and telling him to **** off.

That was dissappointing, but you've got to remember that most of the Mass Effect Li's have had somewhat underwhelming friendship paths to date. 

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 25 février 2012 - 07:31 .

[Ricvenart]

@Finis: Yeah It's dissappointing that Kaidan remains so silent for a large part of ME1, doesn't come to check on you as male Shep, or couldn't have remained the one to trigger the Beacon on Eden Prime. If it was remade I wouldn't want Kaidan as a romance path in 1 but would have been nice If I could absolve him for triggering the beacon instead of flirt with ashley and have a hand getting up without falling into a almost kiss. Poor M!Shep sat alone on the floor, even after he was so nice to everyone just because he didn't want to sleep with a blue alien.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Finis Valorum wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
I agree (after doing both paths).  Friendship is way more awesome.  Her romance felt kinda forced to me, but her friend path just seemed to develop very naturally and subtley.

Maybe that's because her romance path is more forced since her primary goal ultimately remains conceiving an old god baby.
That said, I did like her friendship path, even when playing a male character much more then the romance and I do hope that in some future game Bioware might mix up their tropes a little bit and try an Ice King for once. Even if such an Ice King would turn out not to be s/s romanceable, I would still very much like him, I think, if they give him a good friendship path, like Morrigan's.

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...
I loved Morrigan's friendship
path and appreciated the developers for considering putting that in.
What frustrates me so much about Jack is that I genuinely like that
character and wanted to learn more about her without her deciding
Shepard was a tease and telling him to **** off.

That was dissappointing, but you've got to remember that most of the Mass Effect Li's have had somewhat underwhelming friendship paths to date. 

True and it's a shame. I feel like a lot of the ME romance characters are just there for the sake of obligatory romance options when they could be so much more, when compared to the likes of Morrigan or Alistair or Isabela, even. From what's been said I get the impression that this aspect will be much improved in ME3. Though I'm in doubts whether I feel comfortable getting the game at all because of the whole From Ashes 'DLC' but that's a whole different conversation.

[Finis Valorum]

Ricvenart wrote...

@Finis: Yeah It's dissappointing that Kaidan remains so silent for a large part of ME1, doesn't come to check on you as male Shep, or couldn't have remained the one to trigger the Beacon on Eden Prime. If it was remade I wouldn't want Kaidan as a romance path in 1 but would have been nice If I could absolve him for triggering the beacon instead of flirt with ashley and have a hand getting up without falling into a almost kiss. Poor M!Shep sat alone on the floor, even after he was so nice to everyone just because he didn't want to sleep with a blue alien.

It's more the fact that absolutely no one comes to check on ManShep if you didn't want to choose an o/s romance in ME1, at least in DA2 Aveline is always there for Hawke regardless of his or her romance status.
What they should have done in ME1 imo is at least have Dr. Chackwas come to check up on Shep, as a friend, if he or she didn't care to romance anyone. Having Shep sit alone on the floor in that scene with no one at all was pretty sad.

But, yeah,ManShep getting at least the same amount of time/convo's with Kaidan as FemSheps who didn't care to romance him as well as having him remain the one to trigger the beacon (it always seems that with kaidan background he'd be more inclined to be curious about technology/archeology than Ashley) would have been pretty sweet.

[jlb524]

Finis Valorum wrote...
That was dissappointing, but you've got to remember that most of the Mass Effect Li's have had somewhat underwhelming friendship paths to date. 

They are pretty terrible, IMO.

That's definitely one thing Dragon Age does better.   The LIs are still interesting outside of romance.  Oddly, I think that actually makes those romances better than the ME ones in general....more interesting characters outside of romance makes for a more interesting romance.  In DA, I first come to care about the characters themselves and then as I pursue the romance, I care about them on another level.  In ME, I feel that the first part is lacking and the only way to really give a damn about the LIs is to do the romance.   I do still like some of the ME character LIs that I haven't romanced but it's not the same as with characters in DA.

Hoping ME3 fixes that with it's smaller squad and more interaction...if so, I think the ME3 friendships and romances will be the best in the series.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 février 2012 - 07:59 .

[Frozen83]

jlb524 wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Morrigan's friendship path is more rewarding emotionally than her romance, in my opinion. Morrigan's declaration of her friendship to my warden some kinda honored me. I felt special. Yeah I know kinda silly but I feel that way (more silly thing my eyes get wet everytime I hear her friendship speeches, in camp and on Denerim gates )

I agree (after doing both paths).  Friendship is way more awesome.  Her romance felt kinda forced to me, but her friend path just seemed to develop very naturally and subtley.

Morigan's mother forced her into a romance with the warden... 'Tis cold in my tent... brrr...
But I agree, after you bring her Flemeth's Grimoire, and tell her that you care for her as a friend, she almost cries... That was something! M.

[jlb524]

Frozen83 wrote...
Morigan's mother forced her into a romance with the warden... 'Tis cold in my tent... brrr...
But I agree, after you bring her Flemeth's Grimoire, and tell her that you care for her as a friend, she almost cries... That was something! M.

Well, I know she was forced to sleep with the Warden due to those circumstances...but I mean, the actual 'romance' stuff felt forced.  

[Chun Hei]

Yeah. Morrigan was my sister. [Sniffle.] Then she threw a fit when I did not let the Tevinter mage slaughter the Warden's father and friends in some evil blood magic ritual to get some cool super powers. [W]itch can burn.

[Cuddlezarro]

I liked shale and dog more than most of the DAO characters(and by most I mean all) >_>

hell Im one of those people who cant stand that whiny hypocritical douche alistair and killed him off the second i could >_>

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 25 février 2012 - 08:41 .

[Carfax]

Olive Oomph wrote...

yeah! numbers don't lie!

LOL, one can only wonder why you bothered to post this, but any one with any sense can understand the reason behind those numbers.

Making a woman ****** through oral is easy since it's so focused.  Making her ****** through penetration is more difficult and a lot more technical.  Although I'm of the belief that every heterosexual man can (and should) learn how to perform proper oral sex on a woman.  It's a great and effective method of foreplay.

Now with that said, one can only wonder why so many lesbians end up having relationships with men, if sex is so much better with other women.  Lesbians are famous for dipping over to the other side (much more so than gay men), hence the term hasbians.. 

I can think of several famous hasbians right off the top of my head, Joann Loulan being the most notorious perhaps. 

Typical hasbian coming out story.

[Carfax]

bleetman wrote...
I feel so bad for my gender right now. Apparently there needs to be college courses on how to satisfy women.

Don't  feel bad for your gender, feel bad for yourself. 

[jlb524]

Chun Hei wrote...

Yeah. Morrigan was my sister. [Sniffle.] Then she threw a fit when I did not let the Tevinter mage slaughter the Warden's father and friends in some evil blood magic ritual to get some cool super powers. [W]itch can burn.

Oh yeah, that kind of sucks when playing a City Elf XD

[Espurr]

jlb524 wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...
That was dissappointing, but you've got to remember that most of the Mass Effect Li's have had somewhat underwhelming friendship paths to date. 

They are pretty terrible, IMO.

That's definitely one thing Dragon Age does better.   The LIs are still interesting outside of romance.  Oddly, I think that actually makes those romances better than the ME ones in general....more interesting characters outside of romance makes for a more interesting romance.  In DA, I first come to care about the characters themselves and then as I pursue the romance, I care about them on another level.  In ME, I feel that the first part is lacking and the only way to really give a damn about the LIs is to do the romance.   I do still like some of the ME character LIs that I haven't romanced but it's not the same as with characters in DA.

Hoping ME3 fixes that with it's smaller squad and more interaction...if so, I think the ME3 friendships and romances will be the best in the series.

This. I also appreciate how the Dragon Age characters seem to develop real relationships with eachother outside of their relationship to the PC. The party banter was easily one of my favorite aspects of DA2. Hoping to see something similar in ME3.

[jlb524]

ToastPants wrote...
This. I also appreciate how the Dragon Age characters seem to develop real relationships with eachother outside of their relationship to the PC. The party banter was easily one of my favorite aspects of DA2. Hoping to see something similar in ME3.

I think there will be.  Also, it seems some of your crew could hook up with each other.

From watching the IGN Mars trailer, there was some nice Shep/Ashley banter (kind like how they did it in LotSB with Liara).

[Tobitto]

ToastPants wrote...


This. I also appreciate how the Dragon Age characters seem to develop real relationships with eachother outside of their relationship to the PC. The party banter was easily one of my favorite aspects of DA2. Hoping to see something similar in ME3.

Isabela and Aveline 

[Sherbet Lemon]

Tobitto wrote...

ToastPants wrote...


This. I also appreciate how the Dragon Age characters seem to develop real relationships with eachother outside of their relationship to the PC. The party banter was easily one of my favorite aspects of DA2. Hoping to see something similar in ME3.

Isabela and Aveline 

This forever.<3

Their friendship made me so happy.  I loved all of their interactions.  Can't wait to see how peeps in ME3 socialize. 

[Akrim_Drak]

Village Idiot wrote...

Tobitto wrote...

ToastPants wrote...


This. I also appreciate how the Dragon Age characters seem to develop real relationships with eachother outside of their relationship to the PC. The party banter was easily one of my favorite aspects of DA2. Hoping to see something similar in ME3.

Isabela and Aveline 

This forever.<3

Their friendship made me so happy.  I loved all of their interactions.  Can't wait to see how peeps in ME3 socialize. 

Like seeing Kaidan get all jealous and flustered if I flirt with the obviously more alpha-male looking Vega

Oh god I want that to be there!

Edit: Seeing Ashley and Miranda go at it would be quite interesting too now that I think about it... not that that would be possible for the ladies sadly

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 25 février 2012 - 09:47 .