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[EpicBoot2daFace]

Knight of Normandy wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Actually, we've done a stellar job of convincing the world there so many less of us than there really are.

It'll make the hostile takeover THAT MUCH EASIER. Don't tell anyone.

Sorry, but I had too. Anyway, I just really hope that bioware doesn't just start making characters gay for the sake of fan service. Your sexual orientation is apart of who you are. It's just another thing that defines you as a person. If they want to make believable characters then they need to set what their sexual orientation is in stone. I can understand Kaiden and Ashley being Bi since there were hints in first game that they had feelings towards your character no matter your gender. But making characters like Miranda or Tali gay or Bi just feels to me like they are trying to please everyone. In real life you are going to have people you are attracted to yet you can't date. I once knew this amazing chick. Smart, funny, and incredibly beatiful. What I wouldn't have give to go out with her. But, alas, she was lesbian. I want those kinds of things in Mass Effect. It makes me care about the characters more if they feel like real people.

On another note, I hope that Kaiden or one of the new male characters hits on my MShep. Just because that conversation would be so hilariously awkward.

Agreed on the first point, it adds realism to the game which also adds immersion. DA2 lacked that realism, in my opinion.

However, I don't agree on the second point. When did Kaiden or Ashley EVER show any signs of flirtation when dealing with the same sex in ME1 or ME2? I've played both games multiple times, and I have yet to see it. It seems pretty clear that Kaiden and Ashley are both straight. It's heavily implied by the lack of flirtation. They didn't have to tell Shepard they were straight because the writers probably figured the player was smart enough to pick up on it, again, by the lack of interest towards Shepard if they were the same gender.

Not saying you're dumb or anything, but most people (before the ME3 rumors started) regarded her as a straight character. After these bisexual rumors started up, people started coming up with all these excuses trying to find a way to make it fit within the established universe. But it simply doesn't.

If the rumors are true, then the best we can hope for is some good dialogue that does it's best to make this sudden change in sexuality seem as realisitic as possible. If the rumors aren't true and both Kaiden and Ashley remain straight in ME3, then those who wanted this change are just going to have to accept that not everyone in the real world is gay or bisexual, and thus, are not always gay or bisexual in video games.

[Akrim_Drak]

Epic in ME1 I can't really say Kaidan and Ashley came off as bi aside from the lingering looks they were too lazy to mod out between the sexes, but in 2....

When I met up with Kaidan my gaydar went off the charts. He acted SO much like an ex-love who had lost someone to death. I've never really done Ashley but if the dialogue is the same then it should be similar. I think the thing most people have a problem with with her is her religion, but living in a very religious state (Utah) I've seen it happen plenty of times with closeted guys/ladies that it would make SOOOO much sense if Ashley was struggling with her sexuality up until the very end(ME3). I'm sure same-sex marriage and everything is legal in the ME universe but unless they up and edit the bible it'd still be considered taboo by her.

As far as everyone else (the ME2 crew) other than maybe Tali and Garrus(they've also known Shepard the longest) I can't imagine any of them changing. That would be bad.

People just need to be a little more open-minded.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 25 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[Collider]

I guess everyone is gay.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Epic in ME1 I can't really say Kaidan and Ashley came off as bi aside from the lingering looks they were too lazy to mod out between the sexes, but in 2....

When I met up with Kaidan my gaydar went off the charts. He acted SO much like an ex-love who had lost someone to death. I've never really done Ashley but if the dialogue is the same then it should be similar. I think the thing most people have a problem with with her is her religion but living in a very religious state (Utah) I've seen it happen plenty of times with closeted guys/ladies that it would make SOOOO much sense if Ashley was struggling with her sexuality up until the very end(ME3). I'm sure same-sex marriage and everything is legal in the ME universe but unless they up and edit the bible it'd still be considered taboo by her.

As far as everyone else (the ME2 crew) other than maybe Tali and Garrus(they've also known Shepard the longest) I can't imagine any of them changing. That would be bad.

Ash never says she's religious. She says she believes in God. Two very different things. I live in the south, so I know quite a bit on the subject of God and religion.

The speed bump here is mostly ME1, and Ashley's lack of interested in FemShep. She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. I hate it when they do that just to satisfy fans. It cheapens the universe and the established characters within it. But I'm not the one who makes these decisions, so, if it has to happen, all I can do is hope that the writers at BioWare try their best to make it convincing.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 25 février 2012 - 10:13 .

[jlb524]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. 

In universe, I (or my Shepard) never saw Ashley as straight (I have one Female Shepard).  My Shepard really has no idea what Ashley's sexuality is b/c...she never asked and Ash never brought it up.

Ash could be straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, krogansexual, for all my Shepard knows.

Edit:  I don't give a rats patooty if she could be romanced by a male Shepard in ME1 b/c that has zero bearing on my Shepard's universe.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 février 2012 - 10:18 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

jlb524 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. 

In universe, I (or my Shepard) never saw Ashley as straight (I have one Female Shepard).  My Shepard really has no idea what Ashley's sexuality is b/c...she never asked and Ash never brought it up.

Ash could be straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, krogansexual, for all my Shepard knows.

That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that she was written as a straight character.

[Akrim_Drak]

I guess. I just find it baffling how people can't wrap their heads around character growth like that. I mean as a female Shepard, if you kept Ashley alive then she doesn't mention any lovers at all does she? Knowing she's straight is ALL meta?

I know there's some regard to past lovers and stuff if you play as the OPPOSITE sex... I dunno. I respect people who feel it's a retcon, as technically it IS, but only in the metagame. I don't mind at all either way who the s/s romances end up being as long as there IS one. I just don't understand all the metaness people put into it really. Feels like making mountains out of molehills. XD

My main male Shepard romanced Jack in ME2 because I really really grew to like her(the paragon way, sex is obviously not on his mind ) but I still consider him gay. Urked me when Morinth, and the ME1 cameo ladies all hit on him, but I didn't mind Jack. I just don't think sexuality is as set in stone as people make it out to be.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 25 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[KyleLambert]

I won't be getting my game until early next week.
But the first thing I'm gonna do is play as Sheploo and explore S/S Romances to report to you guys.
What does this thread think I should do first?
Try to see if Kaidan will swing that way, or explore the Cortez romance?
Or try flirting with Vega.

[Frozen83]

jlb524 wrote...

Frozen83 wrote...
Morigan's mother forced her into a romance with the warden... 'Tis cold in my tent... brrr...
But I agree, after you bring her Flemeth's Grimoire, and tell her that you care for her as a friend, she almost cries... That was something! M.

Well, I know she was forced to sleep with the Warden due to those circumstances...but I mean, the actual 'romance' stuff felt forced.  

Hmmm, but she tries to wiggle out of it and if you still stay with her she gets upset. I don't know, it was sweet for me... But then again, "ahhh, I'm a romantic..." . In my midn, I interpret this as "she was forced, but found something more and swalloed her pride so that she could see what's next". Then again, she probably knew that she would leave, but still cared about the warden. Making her staing in the romance interesting. She cared gor him, didn't want to leave him, but had to. Didn't want to cause him pain, but knew she would. It is not as linear as it would have been if she was forced out of a relationship after you've got her Grimoire.
And in the end, Witch hunt brought some kind of closure to it. I liked it. And Finn was hilarious. M.

[jlb524]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. 

In universe, I (or my Shepard) never saw Ashley as straight (I have one Female Shepard).  My Shepard really has no idea what Ashley's sexuality is b/c...she never asked and Ash never brought it up.

Ash could be straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, krogansexual, for all my Shepard knows.

That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that she was written as a straight character.

She was only given a romance path with a Male Shep, which is different from being 'written as a straight character'.

If that were the case, there would be no doubt about her sexuality.

What you are upset about is that now a female (as well as male) can pursue a relationship with Ash.  That is all meta and has nothing to do with the writing as experienced in game.

Akrim_Drak wrote...
I guess. I just find it baffling how people can't wrap their heads around character growth like that. I mean as a female Shepard, if you kept Ashley alive then she doesn't mention any lovers at all does she? 

She mentions nothing about any lovers.

You literally have no clue what that woman likes XD

Modifié par jlb524, 25 février 2012 - 10:30 .

[Frozen83]

jlb524 wrote...

You literally have no clue what that woman likes XD

Guns. And pink armor. M.

[Akrim_Drak]

KyleLambert wrote...

I won't be getting my game until early next week.
But the first thing I'm gonna do is play as Sheploo and explore S/S Romances to report to you guys.
What does this thread think I should do first?
Try to see if Kaidan will swing that way, or explore the Cortez romance?
Or try flirting with Vega.

At least try flirting with all of em? XD It would give us a really good idea as to who's who. I think Cortez is all but confirmed so if you go for him really all you'd be supplying us is the specifics of the romance? I think Kaidan and Vega would be better bets. If Kaidan's an option that would almost fully confirm Ashley is as well too.

Edit: Oh and I'm sure the ladies would REALLY appreciate a picture of Sam.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 25 février 2012 - 10:39 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

I guess. I just find it baffling how people can't wrap their heads around character growth like that. I mean as a female Shepard, if you kept Ashley alive then she doesn't mention any lovers at all does she? Knowing she's straight is ALL meta?

I know there's some regard to past lovers and stuff if you play as the OPPOSITE sex... I dunno. I respect people who feel it's a retcon, as technically it IS, but only in the metagame. I don't mind at all either way who the s/s romances end up being as long as there IS one. I just don't understand all the metaness people put into it really. Feels like making mountains out of molehills. XD

My main male Shepard romanced Jack in ME2 because I really really grew to like her(the paragon way, sex is obviously not on his mind ) but I still consider him gay. Urked me when Morinth, and the ME1 cameo ladies all hit on him, but I didn't mind Jack. I just don't think sexuality is as set in stone as people make it out to be.

No, it's the writers believing the fanbase is smart enough to take a hint, or several.

[Nynaeve]

jlb524 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. 

In universe, I (or my Shepard) never saw Ashley as straight (I have one Female Shepard).  My Shepard really has no idea what Ashley's sexuality is b/c...she never asked and Ash never brought it up.

Ash could be straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, krogansexual, for all my Shepard knows.

Edit:  I don't give a rats patooty if she could be romanced by a male Shepard in ME1 b/c that has zero bearing on my Shepard's universe.

This x1000 My Shepard knows nothing more than what she's experienced in-game.

[Espurr]

Village Idiot wrote...

Tobitto wrote...

ToastPants wrote...


This. I also appreciate how the Dragon Age characters seem to develop real relationships with eachother outside of their relationship to the PC. The party banter was easily one of my favorite aspects of DA2. Hoping to see something similar in ME3.

Isabela and Aveline 

This forever.<3

Their friendship made me so happy.  I loved all of their interactions.  Can't wait to see how peeps in ME3 socialize. 

They are my BROTP. Also Isabela and Varric and their in universe fanfics. I would love to see similar friendships/relationships between my ME3 squadmates.

[Akrim_Drak]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

I guess. I just find it baffling how people can't wrap their heads around character growth like that. I mean as a female Shepard, if you kept Ashley alive then she doesn't mention any lovers at all does she? Knowing she's straight is ALL meta?

I know there's some regard to past lovers and stuff if you play as the OPPOSITE sex... I dunno. I respect people who feel it's a retcon, as technically it IS, but only in the metagame. I don't mind at all either way who the s/s romances end up being as long as there IS one. I just don't understand all the metaness people put into it really. Feels like making mountains out of molehills. XD

My main male Shepard romanced Jack in ME2 because I really really grew to like her(the paragon way, sex is obviously not on his mind ) but I still consider him gay. Urked me when Morinth, and the ME1 cameo ladies all hit on him, but I didn't mind Jack. I just don't think sexuality is as set in stone as people make it out to be.

No, it's the writers believing the fanbase is smart enough to take a hint, or several.

Eh, Bioware leaves a LOT for headcanon imo. I think that's part of what makes their games so successful. You walk away thinking about things that aren't completely written out in stone and become canon to YOU and only you. *shrug* It also doesn't help that we know at one point those 2 were supposed to be available for either gender, so I dunno if it's -all- the writers there. I know that one's been used to death though so yeah "well what they were thinking about and what they did are different... etc. etc.

Sorry, just curious how different people find it such a big deal. Maybe I'm just too laid back.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 25 février 2012 - 10:38 .

[Aithieel]

frij wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. 

In universe, I (or my Shepard) never saw Ashley as straight (I have one Female Shepard).  My Shepard really has no idea what Ashley's sexuality is b/c...she never asked and Ash never brought it up.

Ash could be straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, krogansexual, for all my Shepard knows.

Edit:  I don't give a rats patooty if she could be romanced by a male Shepard in ME1 b/c that has zero bearing on my Shepard's universe.

This x1000 My Shepard knows nothing more than what she's experienced in-game.

Exacly as mine mShepard  has no knowledge about Kaidan preferences.

Oh guys, we really (as hell!) want them as s/s LI don't we ?

EDIT: type

Modifié par Aithieel, 25 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[Akrim_Drak]

Aithieel wrote...

frij wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. 

In universe, I (or my Shepard) never saw Ashley as straight (I have one Female Shepard).  My Shepard really has no idea what Ashley's sexuality is b/c...she never asked and Ash never brought it up.

Ash could be straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, krogansexual, for all my Shepard knows.

Edit:  I don't give a rats patooty if she could be romanced by a male Shepard in ME1 b/c that has zero bearing on my Shepard's universe.

This x1000 My Shepard knows nothing more than what she's experienced in-game.

Exacly as mine mShepard  has no knowledge about Kaidan preferences.

Oh guys, we really (as hell!) want the as s/s LI don't we ?

It's this damn wait more than anything. Romances or not, we want the game NAO! Driving us all crazy with anticipation.

[Arik7]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
No, it's the writers believing the fanbase is smart enough to take a hint, or several.

How about all of those "family-values" politicians and "womanizer" celebrities who turn out to be gay?  Even explicitely stated sexuality sometimes turns out to misleading.  It's not smart to rely on "hints" to determine someone's sexuality.

[Nynaeve]

Aithieel wrote...

frij wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
She was clearly written as a straight character in that game. I look at this sudden change in sexual preference as a retcon. 

In universe, I (or my Shepard) never saw Ashley as straight (I have one Female Shepard).  My Shepard really has no idea what Ashley's sexuality is b/c...she never asked and Ash never brought it up.

Ash could be straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, krogansexual, for all my Shepard knows.

Edit:  I don't give a rats patooty if she could be romanced by a male Shepard in ME1 b/c that has zero bearing on my Shepard's universe.

This x1000 My Shepard knows nothing more than what she's experienced in-game.

Exacly as mine mShepard  has no knowledge about Kaidan preferences.

Oh guys, we really (as hell!) want the as s/s LI don't we ?

If my femshep can get Ash she'll be one happy gay in space

[jlb524]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
No, it's the writers believing the fanbase is smart enough to take a hint, or several.

What hints about Ashley's sexuality were presented to me in my game?

[Aithieel]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

It's this damn wait more than anything. Romances or not, we want the game NAO! Driving us all crazy with anticipation.

Aye! But my hopes gone insanely hight with Kaidan romance (wanted it since I saw him in ME1). 

[Arik7]

jlb524 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
No, it's the writers believing the fanbase is smart enough to take a hint, or several.

What hints about Ashley's sexuality were presented to me in my game?

She never yelled out "I'm a lesbian!" from the rooftops, so she must be straight.

[Sherbet Lemon]

ToastPants wrote...


They are my BROTP. Also Isabela and Varric and their in universe fanfics. I would love to see similar friendships/relationships between my ME3 squadmates.

Friendfiction ftw! I love how basically Isabela and Varric were essentially writing RPF.  Lol!  Merrill and Isabela also had such an adorable relationship.  I know Liara and Tali aren't favorites for many, but I'm hoping they have some fun banters.  I'm also looking forward to the Vega dialogues with other squadies and Prothy!  Gonna be so much fun!

EDIT: That should say aren't.  I know people don't really like them at all (but I do). Oopsies! 

Modifié par Village Idiot, 25 février 2012 - 10:48 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

I guess. I just find it baffling how people can't wrap their heads around character growth like that. I mean as a female Shepard, if you kept Ashley alive then she doesn't mention any lovers at all does she? Knowing she's straight is ALL meta?

I know there's some regard to past lovers and stuff if you play as the OPPOSITE sex... I dunno. I respect people who feel it's a retcon, as technically it IS, but only in the metagame. I don't mind at all either way who the s/s romances end up being as long as there IS one. I just don't understand all the metaness people put into it really. Feels like making mountains out of molehills. XD

My main male Shepard romanced Jack in ME2 because I really really grew to like her(the paragon way, sex is obviously not on his mind ) but I still consider him gay. Urked me when Morinth, and the ME1 cameo ladies all hit on him, but I didn't mind Jack. I just don't think sexuality is as set in stone as people make it out to be.

No, it's the writers believing the fanbase is smart enough to take a hint, or several.

Eh, Bioware leaves a LOT for headcanon imo. I think that's part of what makes their games so successful. You walk away thinking about things that aren't completely written out in stone and become canon to YOU and only you. *shrug* It also doesn't help that we know at one point those 2 were supposed to be available for either gender, so I dunno if it's -all- the writers there. I know that one's been used to death though so yeah "well what they were thinking about and what they did are different... etc. etc.

Sorry, just curious how different people find it such a big deal. Maybe I'm just too laid back.

I can see the case being made for Kaiden in a convincing way. He's more of a shy or quiet character. It's not all up front with him. For Ash, it's not going to be that convincing no matter what they do because of who Ash is. She's very upfront and very opinionated. She's a lot like Aveline in DA2. Strong, upfront, no bull****. That's Ashley.

With that in mind, one would think if the subject was every brought up Ashley would simply tell Shepard she isn't into other women, and that would be that. The subject never did come up, but based on what I know about her character, I think that would be the response.