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[MinervaHamster]

catharsisboo wrote...

Fem Shep looks a little...uh, scrawny. Her arms and stomach need more muscle.

Seems we are all on ther same page on that one. MODDERS PLEASE COME TO THE RESCUE!

[Collider]

She's magical, she don't need muscles.

[jlb524]

People4Peace wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It was a lazy effort that should not be commended, IMO.

What was complicated about making the majority of the characters bisexual? Seems like the easy way out. Satisfy everyone and all that. Of course, it was at the expense of the characters themselves.

Well, I don't want to drift too off topic especially into complicated theory that is considered "controversial," but to me those relationships embodied some of Judith Butler's discussion on gender performativity.  The romances in DA reflected and abolished notions of a strict binary in that they were open to either character in some cases subverted traditional male/female roles (i.e Captain Isabela, melodramatic, romantic Anders) and futhermore subverted traditional romantic tropes. 

The fact that sexuality was so fluid in these games is a complicated ideal and goes against established norms.  Like I said, I don't want to delve to deeply because it's off topic for this thread and too political, but that's why I think the romance in DA2 rocked.

I completely agree.

And....Wow someone mentioned Judith Butler on the BSN forums?!? Awesome! What a deeply profond topic...such hard concepts for people to understand let alone accept. I wrote an essay on the gender binary last semester and two of my resources were Judith Butler's books. <3 I just love discussions on this topic! I enjoy it way too much...

*happy dance*

Haha, I read Butler's "Gender Trouble" on my own for fun...it's a fascinating subject.  I'm a fan of Foucalt as well and I liked how she developed on some of his theories.

[Espurr]

Yeeeeah I can't say I'm surprised. Wish her model was better.

However, I will live with it if it means I can run around the Normandy in my underpants.

[lietk12]

If there are ME1-style romance scenes, how will she be rendered?

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

She's magical, she don't need muscles.

Biotics, tech enhancements, etc.

[ElitePinecone]

lietk12 wrote...

If there are ME1-style romance scenes, how will she be rendered?

Like that, it seems.

Apparently Samantha's romance scene (or at least one build of it) did feature an 'ME-style' scene set in a shower. 

[Eternal Dust]

ElitePinecone wrote...
Apparently Samantha's romance scene (or at least one build of it) did feature an 'ME-style' scene set in a shower.

I can't decide if that's worse than awkward underwear grinding...

[Espurr]

Eternal Dust wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
Apparently Samantha's romance scene (or at least one build of it) did feature an 'ME-style' scene set in a shower.

I can't decide if that's worse than awkward underwear grinding...

Awkward underwear grinding... IN THE SHOWER.

[Eternal Dust]

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
Apparently Samantha's romance scene (or at least one build of it) did feature an 'ME-style' scene set in a shower.

I can't decide if that's worse than awkward underwear grinding...

Awkward underwear grinding... IN THE SHOWER.

WHYWHYWHYWHY

[ElitePinecone]

By all accounts it's very awkward, bordering on softcore pr0n.

[syllogi]

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

She's magical, she don't need muscles.

Biotics, tech enhancements, etc.

If that's the reason I demand a slender, muscle free, "bishounen" type Male Shepard.  With big, doe like eyes and a luxurious head of spiky hair.  

[katerinafm]

Her arms look more weird than anything else. But that's just the model/animation in general. She does appear to have muscular thighs though, and maybe she looks so thin because of the angle. No excuse for the thin arms, however, unless femShep is a biotic and you headcanon that she hasn't had the need for that much exercise. Maybe. Meh.

[jlb524]

syllogi wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

She's magical, she don't need muscles.

Biotics, tech enhancements, etc.

If that's the reason I demand a slender, muscle free, "bishounen" type Male Shepard.  With big, doe like eyes and a luxurious head of spiky hair.  

Haha, I agree...If I'm gonna play a male character, I want him to be looking like that.

[Cuddlezarro]

syllogi wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

She's magical, she don't need muscles.

Biotics, tech enhancements, etc.

If that's the reason I demand a slender, muscle free, "bishounen" type Male Shepard.  With big, doe like eyes and a luxurious head of spiky hair.  

OH HELL NAW

[RomanDark]

syllogi wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

She's magical, she don't need muscles.

Biotics, tech enhancements, etc.

If that's the reason I demand a slender, muscle free, "bishounen" type Male Shepard.  With big, doe like eyes and a luxurious head of spiky hair.  

I think I just died a little... 

[Carfax]

Olive Oomph wrote...

Who cares about numbers in your own personal love story. A  straight woman happy with her sex life won't give a damn about that chart. Mass Effect is about giving each player their own personal story and love story as much as possible. Realism takes a back seat to that, always has, even for a straight dude shep, so your numbers how many people are this and that in reality don't interest anybody either. I generally don't care very little about numbers, so I mainly posted that chart for fun and we all could do with a little reminder, that those games are meant to be played for fun and not as an accurate representation of (your sense of) reality. Sexuality/Romance is just another variable among many. 

Mass Effect is about saving the Civilized Galaxy from the Reapers via Commander Shepard, who's an elite N7 Spec Ops Marine.....a trained killer.

If you want a game that focuses on "love" (and I use that term oh so loosely), sexuality and relationships, go play the Sims...

The reason why I brought up the numbers to begin with, is because I wanted to highlight Bioware's absurd pandering to the gay gaming community.  Thats not to say that Bioware should not appeal to their gay audience however.

I've always been in favor of exclusive gay romances in the ME series.  But when they use hacks like contextual bisexuality (Shepardsexual), or make characters that were previously known to be heterosexual bisexual to appease the vociferous minority, then I have issues with that.

[RomanDark]

Carfax wrote...

Mass Effect is about saving the Civilized Galaxy from the Reapers via Commander Shepard, who's an elite N7 Spec Ops Marine.....a trained killer.

If you want a game that focuses on "love" (and I use that term oh so loosely), sexuality and relationships, go play the Sims...

The reason why I brought up the numbers to begin with, is because I wanted to highlight Bioware's absurd pandering to the gay gaming community.  Thats not to say that Bioware should not appeal to their gay audience however.

I've always been in favor of exclusive gay romances in the ME series.  But when they use hacks like contextual bisexuality (Shepardsexual), or make characters that were previously known to be heterosexual bisexual to appease the vociferous minority, then I have issues with that.

Every persons sexuality is ambiguous until proven otherwise. Neither Kaidan nor Ashley (or Anders) made any remarks as to only liking the opposite sex so their sexuality cannot be pinpointed as strictly heterosexual, nor should they or any character be confined to such norms. Now depending on how Bioware approaches their same-sex romances they can be kept completely in character. Anders felt weird, but that's because he seemed like a completely different character, and arguably he was. We should reserve judgement on the vs until we have seen the romances for ourselves.

[MinervaHamster]

Carfax wrote...

Olive Oomph wrote...

Who cares about numbers in your own personal love story. A  straight woman happy with her sex life won't give a damn about that chart. Mass Effect is about giving each player their own personal story and love story as much as possible. Realism takes a back seat to that, always has, even for a straight dude shep, so your numbers how many people are this and that in reality don't interest anybody either. I generally don't care very little about numbers, so I mainly posted that chart for fun and we all could do with a little reminder, that those games are meant to be played for fun and not as an accurate representation of (your sense of) reality. Sexuality/Romance is just another variable among many. 

Mass Effect is about saving the Civilized Galaxy from the Reapers via Commander Shepard, who's an elite N7 Spec Ops Marine.....a trained killer.

If you want a game that focuses on "love" (and I use that term oh so loosely), sexuality and relationships, go play the Sims...

The reason why I brought up the numbers to begin with, is because I wanted to highlight Bioware's absurd pandering to the gay gaming community.  Thats not to say that Bioware should not appeal to their gay audience however.

I've always been in favor of exclusive gay romances in the ME series.  But when they use hacks like contextual bisexuality (Shepardsexual), or make characters that were previously known to be heterosexual bisexual to appease the vociferous minority, then I have issues with that.

Not this played out nonsense again. Move along everyone. Nothing to see here....

[jlb524]

Carfax wrote...

Mass Effect is about saving the Civilized Galaxy from the Reapers via Commander Shepard, who's an elite N7 Spec Ops Marine.....a trained killer.

If you want a game that focuses on "love" (and I use that term oh so loosely), sexuality and relationships, go play the Sims...

The reason why I brought up the numbers to begin with, is because I wanted to highlight Bioware's absurd pandering to the gay gaming community.  Thats not to say that Bioware should not appeal to their gay audience however.

I've always been in favor of exclusive gay romances in the ME series.  But when they use hacks like contextual bisexuality (Shepardsexual), or make characters that were previously known to be heterosexual bisexual to appease the vociferous minority, then I have issues with that.

What about the straight audience and the many straight romances?

There can't be 'contextual bisexuality hacks' without those.

[Yuqi]

I heard the news about Kaiden and Ash, thats awsome. I saw the kaiden dialouge, but has someone posted the Ash dialouge yet?

A bishonen m-shpe..uhm no...A Vega like handsome,maybe..

Modifié par Yuqi, 26 février 2012 - 07:34 .

[coldSnap]

Yuqi wrote...

I heard the news about Kaiden and Ash, thats awsome. I saw the kaiden dialouge, but has someone posted the Ash dialouge yet?

A bishonen m-shpe..uhm no...A Vega like handsome,maybe..

The dialogue was fake. Created by Klace to... get attention i guess.

But we have another reliable source that says the VS is s/s romancable.

[RetroActiv]

Carfax wrote...

Olive Oomph wrote...

Who cares about numbers in your own personal love story. A  straight woman happy with her sex life won't give a damn about that chart. Mass Effect is about giving each player their own personal story and love story as much as possible. Realism takes a back seat to that, always has, even for a straight dude shep, so your numbers how many people are this and that in reality don't interest anybody either. I generally don't care very little about numbers, so I mainly posted that chart for fun and we all could do with a little reminder, that those games are meant to be played for fun and not as an accurate representation of (your sense of) reality. Sexuality/Romance is just another variable among many. 

Mass Effect is about saving the Civilized Galaxy from the Reapers via Commander Shepard, who's an elite N7 Spec Ops Marine.....a trained killer.

If you want a game that focuses on "love" (and I use that term oh so loosely), sexuality and relationships, go play the Sims...

The reason why I brought up the numbers to begin with, is because I wanted to highlight Bioware's absurd pandering to the gay gaming community.  Thats not to say that Bioware should not appeal to their gay audience however.

I've always been in favor of exclusive gay romances in the ME series.  But when they use hacks like contextual bisexuality (Shepardsexual), or make characters that were previously known to be heterosexual bisexual to appease the vociferous minority, then I have issues with that.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I don't care about the existing s/s romance options nor do I care about the new ones but the level of pandering here is  indeed truly rediculous. For them to change previously straight characters into bisexuals simply because a vocal minority of gamers wanted it just makes me phisically ill. I mean does BIoware have any integrity anymore? Such unnecessary and frivolous pandering to a small demographic of players will only do more harm than good.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

RetroActiv wrote...

Carfax wrote...

Olive Oomph wrote...

Who cares about numbers in your own personal love story. A  straight woman happy with her sex life won't give a damn about that chart. Mass Effect is about giving each player their own personal story and love story as much as possible. Realism takes a back seat to that, always has, even for a straight dude shep, so your numbers how many people are this and that in reality don't interest anybody either. I generally don't care very little about numbers, so I mainly posted that chart for fun and we all could do with a little reminder, that those games are meant to be played for fun and not as an accurate representation of (your sense of) reality. Sexuality/Romance is just another variable among many. 

Mass Effect is about saving the Civilized Galaxy from the Reapers via Commander Shepard, who's an elite N7 Spec Ops Marine.....a trained killer.

If you want a game that focuses on "love" (and I use that term oh so loosely), sexuality and relationships, go play the Sims...

The reason why I brought up the numbers to begin with, is because I wanted to highlight Bioware's absurd pandering to the gay gaming community.  Thats not to say that Bioware should not appeal to their gay audience however.

I've always been in favor of exclusive gay romances in the ME series.  But when they use hacks like contextual bisexuality (Shepardsexual), or make characters that were previously known to be heterosexual bisexual to appease the vociferous minority, then I have issues with that.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I don't care about the existing s/s romance options nor do I care about the new ones but the level of pandering here is  indeed truly rediculous. For them to change previously straight characters into bisexuals simply because a vocal minority of gamers wanted it just makes me phisically ill. I mean does BIoware have any integrity anymore? Such unnecessary and frivolous pandering to a small demographic of players will only do more harm than good.

How so? Explain to me how the negatives will outweigh the positives. 

Modifié par Uhh.. Jonah, 26 février 2012 - 07:44 .

[Collider]

What about the straight audience and the many straight romances?

There can't be 'contextual bisexuality hacks' without those.

I have to agree. If they're "pandering" to the gays, they're also pandering to the straights. Pandering everywhere.