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[Siansonea]

1136342t54 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

This is basically my first post on this thread but I have to ask some people this.

Why is it necessary for shepard to be more emotional in a s/s relationship then a hetero one?

It's not. Shepard should show an appropriate level of emotion in all romances. That's my take anyway. Unless it's meaningless hookup, which should be among Shepard's options. I have a douchebag Shepard that would totally have meaningless hookups.

Agreed but many seem to seem that more emotion should be put into a S/S romance or at least thats what I'm getting from some of these posts. 

I think that's probably just a by-product of the topic being focused on s/s romances. I would be very surprised if anyone truly thought s/s romances should be treated significantly different from o/s relationships. Make them all great is my philosophy.

[ArawnNox]

1136342t54 wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

It's more expressing the sentiment that just as much attention should be paid to the s/s relationships as the het. Equality and what-not.

Why would any of you think that? Honestly its most likely that Bioware will continue with a bland male shepard then one that would show a lesser amount of emotion towards a s/s love interest lol.

If LOTSB is Bioware's model for dialogue and even romance I'd bet the emotion will be better.

One never assumes anything.

[DialupToaster]

weikle21 wrote...

highcastle wrote...

weikle21 wrote...

 For some reason, even the modded stuff, i can't really visualize mShep, with mark meer's voice, in a gay relationship because it's not really emotional enough. He's too "boring" and mellow. 

Clearly you haven't met the wonder that is Jethann (also voiced by Meer). Skip to 0:43 if you want to get right to the voice.

Yeah, but thats a completely different character! manShep is so bland. I did see the little boy part in the demo, and was blown away that finally he can be sensitive, i guess is the word. Jennifer Hale did a much better job with the romance stuff. Not to bash him, i just prefer famShep to manShep.

Bit off topic but I liked the general lack of emotion because I felt the fem shep put emotion where it did not make sense to, plus I felt that the male shep had to really try to keep his emotion out of his decisions.
Don't get what you mean by lack of emotion........ The fact he never cried? He seems realistically angry when mad, I don't think you need to dramatise it all for someone to be emotional. But hey it's my oppinion and I respect yours so respect mine.... Please....

On topic: I can't say I would care either way but I don't want characters bi to be bi, I want it to be believable. For example Ashley is fine being bi because I think she was supposed to be back in the original but it was cut.

What I can't see being bi is Garrus and Thane or Tali....BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT........ It's just my oppinion you don't need to go spreading it around.

If you want them all BI I don't care, it's not like I will ever indulge in it so..... It does not exist to me any way.

[1136342t54_]

@Arawn

Why not? Its not a unfounded assumption its pretty much an educated guess. No point in being to worried over it. Its good to adress your concerns though.

@Siasonea II

Bioware can make it work but not sure if all the romances will be great. I'm still unsure about doing it DA2 style. The romances in DA2 worked since we really didn't know some of the characters or being bi fit them pretty well.

In Mass Effect I would be surprised if Garrus was gay in ME3 but didn't try and get with shepard in ME2 the same goes for Tali. I can see it for Ashley and Kaidan. For some reason I could never really see Miranda as gay and Jack little no girls club pretty much told me she wasn't a Lesbian. Jacob is a no just because of the PRIIIIIIIZZZE.

[ArawnNox]

1136342t54 wrote...

@Arawn

Why not? Its not a unfounded assumption its pretty much an educated guess. No point in being to worried over it. Its good to adress your concerns though.

I'll just say, in short, that it's safter to not assume anything for a game/movie/other media, lest you be disappointed.

On topic. I'll agree that I never saw Miranda as swinging both ways, but then a couple other posters made me see the light.

[Siansonea]

1136342t54 wrote...

@Arawn

Why not? Its not a unfounded assumption its pretty much an educated guess. No point in being to worried over it. Its good to adress your concerns though.

@Siasonea II

Bioware can make it work but not sure if all the romances will be great. I'm still unsure about doing it DA2 style. The romances in DA2 worked since we really didn't know some of the characters or being bi fit them pretty well.

In Mass Effect I would be surprised if Garrus was gay in ME3 but didn't try and get with shepard in ME2 the same goes for Tali. I can see it for Ashley and Kaidan. For some reason I could never really see Miranda as gay and Jack little no girls club pretty much told me she wasn't a Lesbian. Jacob is a no just because of the PRIIIIIIIZZZE.

With the aliens, I don't really know if "gay" has any meaning for them, since they're already crossing the species divide, which is a much more significant leap in my opinion. I have no idea if turian, quarian or drell culture really makes much of gender at all, it seems like quarians are very egalitarian, for instance, and we haven't even seen female turians or drell yet. It's all up in the air. In Garrus' case, I never got the impression that he was with Shepard because he was attracted to her, he even says he doesn't have a fetish for humans.

I often wonder if aliens think that male humans look dramatically different from female humans, for instance, because both male and female humans probably resemble asari more than anything else. Those five-fingered hands, those very asari-like faces, the general squishiness. Asari are what the galaxy's races know best. Humans are just pink-orange-brown versions of asari with "hair" instead of scalp folds.

[1136342t54_]

ArawnNox wrote...
I'll just say, in short, that it's safter to not assume anything for a game/movie/other media, lest you be disappointed.

On topic. I'll agree that I never saw Miranda as swinging both ways, but then a couple other posters made me see the light.

As long as its not an unfounded assumption then its pretty safe to me.

ON topic: 

I saw those pictures you may be referring to. Those are actually pretty good but I'm not seeing it. There really isn't a logical reason for it so if anyone is thinking its because of some bias there wrong. Miranda is really the only character I feel that way about.

[1136342t54_]

Siansonea II wrote...
With the aliens, I don't really know if "gay" has any meaning for them, since they're already crossing the species divide, which is a much more significant leap in my opinion. I have no idea if turian, quarian or drell culture really makes much of gender at all, it seems like quarians are very egalitarian, for instance, and we haven't even seen female turians or drell yet. It's all up in the air. In Garrus' case, I never got the impression that he was with Shepard because he was attracted to her, he even says he doesn't have a fetish for humans. 

I'm not even going to disagree with you on this but if this is the case then its likely Garrus, Tali or even Thane would have been a s/s option. If they become a s/s option in ME3 then I wouldn't be surprised if they bring up the whole s/s thing.

Also they have showed female turians but I have to find the picture again. Its in one of the comics.

I often wonder if aliens think that male humans look dramatically different from female humans, for instance, because both male and female humans probably resemble asari more than anything else. Those five-fingered hands, those very asari-like faces, the general squishiness. Asari are what the galaxy's races know best. Humans are just pink-orange-brown versions of asari with "hair" instead of scalp folds.

Actually we don't look like Asari to other races. Asari look like Turians to Turians and Salarians to Salarians. Remember that conversation on Illium?

[1136342t54_]

I think this is the female Turian.

http://media.giantbo...rian1_super.jpg

[ArawnNox]

@ 1136

*shrug* I'll just keep holding out for Tali.

@Sian
If I remember right, isn't there a spot in ME2 where a Salarian, a Volus, and a Turian are puzzling over an Asari and are picking out different aspects they find attractive? I can see how that can translate to humans: Exotic Allure. A human could be into the voice of Turians (as some have so mentioned about Garrus) and a Turian could be into that fuzz growing ontop of a human's head.

[KawaiiKatie]

1136342t54 wrote...

Actually we don't look like Asari to other races. Asari look like Turians to Turians and Salarians to Salarians. Remember that conversation on Illium?

I don't think that conversation was meant to be taken too seriously. I think it simply means that humans more readily see the similarities between Asari and human bodies, while Turians more readily recognize the Asari fringe as a "Turian" trait, and Salarians focus on the Asari.... well.... squishiness.

I doubt that the Asari literally appear different to other species. It would be impossible for other species to make clothing for Asari, or to represent them in art! If the Asari were able to magically alter their appearance to be more "human" or "Turian" in the minds of sapient beings, smarter people would have figured that out by now and it would be a widely-known fact. I doubt that we were supposed to take the drunken musings of a bacholor party as cold, hard canon.

[Siansonea]

1136342t54 wrote...

Actually we don't look like Asari to other races. Asari look like Turians to Turians and Salarians to Salarians. Remember that conversation on Illium?

Ah yes, the Eternity Bar bachelor party scene, I remember it well, and it has inadvertently caused a world of misunderstanding regarding asari appearance. Asari aren't projecting a mental hologram into the mind of the viewer, if anything the upshot of that conversation is that each species fixates on features of the asari that are most similar to their own species, and it's believed that the reason for this is some type of asari pheremone, whether it's some type of chemical substance or subtle biotic effect. That's my take anyway. That scene has led many people down the primrose path, as amusing as it was I wish they had left it out.

[1136342t54_]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
I don't think that conversation was meant to be taken too seriously. I think it simply means that humans more readily see the similarities between Asari and human bodies, while Turians more readily recognize the Asari fringe as a "Turian" trait, and Salarians focus on the Asari.... well.... squishiness. 

I doubt that the Asari literally appear different to other species. It would be impossible for other species to make clothing for Asari, or to represent them in art! If the Asari were able to magically alter their appearance to be more "human" or "Turian" in the minds of sapient beings, smarter people would have figured that out by now and it would be a widely-known fact. I doubt that we were supposed to take the drunken musings of a bacholor party as cold, hard canon.

They may not look entirely like the other species but remember they don't look entirely human. The physical differences they have appeal to most races. I was responding to someone who were using the Asari as an example for a possible way that other species may in someway be attracted to humans.

[Abispa]

Although the bachelor party scene was interesting, it also drove me nuts because it stretches credulity to believe that everyone sees the Asari they want even in photographs. I mean, my BF has a Liara photo that Shepard looks at longingly before going through the Omega 4 relay, but she still looks the same without Liara there to mind-control her with her version of faery magic.

Does Garrus see a hot Turian chick when he looks at it?

Does Kelly...? Hell, Kelly would get turned on if she saw the "real" Liara anyway.

Apparently the faery magic does not work on Krogans since they refer to Asari looking frail and being squishy.

[ElitePinecone]

The Garrus/Tali romances made no sense in the first place, from a physical attraction perspective.

It makes about as much sense for Garrus to be attracted to female humans over male humans (or Tali for vice versa) as it would if Shepard were more attracted to deciduous or evergreen trees.

The difference between species' physiology is so far removed from the difference between human genders that it makes no sense for an alien to find only one gender attractive.

I can only assume that the fact that they're only open to opposite-sex romances was a rather clumsy imposition of 21st century norms. It certainly makes no sense from an in-universe perspective, if we take it as given that Garrus and Tali were more attracted to Shepard as a 'person' and a leader, than to her or his gender.

That doesn't necessarily mean I'd advocate for bisexual familiar alien squadmates in ME3, though. Bioware might need to run with the mistake they've established, and the fan outrage would be ridiculous if "OMG MY BRO GARRUS" was open to both genders.

[1136342t54_]

Siansonea II wrote...


Ah yes, the Eternity Bar bachelor party scene, I remember it well, and it has inadvertently caused a world of misunderstanding regarding asari appearance. Asari aren't projecting a mental hologram into the mind of the viewer, if anything the upshot of that conversation is that each species fixates on features of the asari that are most similar to their own species, and it's believed that the reason for this is some type of asari pheremone, whether it's some type of chemical substance or subtle biotic effect. That's my take anyway. That scene has led many people down the primrose path, as amusing as it was I wish they had left it out.

I hope you aren't assuming I think the Asari are projecting a mental image to other species. just read my post above and thats basically what I think about the subject. To be honest it wouldn't be that out of the ordinary. Its possible that the Asari don't realize that mentally they are affecting another being's minds making an Asari less of a threat to a possible predator and it may have evolved from that. We know that Asari have mental capabilities so I wouldn't entirely rule it out but its less likely to be true.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 22 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[KawaiiKatie]

1136342t54 wrote...

They may not look entirely like the other species but remember they don't look entirely human. The physical differences they have appeal to most races. I was responding to someone who were using the Asari as an example for a possible way that other species may in someway be attracted to humans.

Oh, I think I understand you now.  ATurian who is attracted to Asari may not be also be attracted to humans, because though humans see the similarities between human and Asari bodies rather easily, the Turian may not.

Though, I could see the Asari-to-Human train of thought from an alien prespective.... Though a Turian may be attracted to an Asari because he notes the similar fringe, he might later become attracted to humans because he notices that humans have similar features to his Asari lover: the same soft lips, the same five-fingered hands and general body structure....

Yeah, I could definitely see the Asari as a sexual "slippery slope" for a lot of aliens, and even for humans!

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 22 juin 2011 - 02:54 .

[Siansonea]

1136342t54 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...


Ah yes, the Eternity Bar bachelor party scene, I remember it well, and it has inadvertently caused a world of misunderstanding regarding asari appearance. Asari aren't projecting a mental hologram into the mind of the viewer, if anything the upshot of that conversation is that each species fixates on features of the asari that are most similar to their own species, and it's believed that the reason for this is some type of asari pheremone, whether it's some type of chemical substance or subtle biotic effect. That's my take anyway. That scene has led many people down the primrose path, as amusing as it was I wish they had left it out.

I hope you aren't assuming I think the Asari are projecting a mental image to other species. just read my post above and thats basically what I think about the subject. To be honest it wouldn't be that out of the ordinary. Its possible that the Asari don't realize that mentally they are affecting another being's minds making an Asari less of a threat to a possible predator and it may have evolved from that. We know that Asari have mental capabilities so I wouldn't entirely rule it out but its less likely to be true.

I am surprised that more people in the game don't comment on how much humans look like asari, but again there is a tendency of most species to see similarities before seeing differences. I think that's actually "human nature" to be honest, rather than any sort of trait limited to asari. We all see the similarities first. The differences are just "exotic". Unless the species is REALLY different, like the hanar.

[1136342t54_]

@KawaiiKatie
Basically you nailed it. It does explain partly why they are advanced for a culture. They already appeal to most races so culturally they would have to adapt to that appeal.

@Siansonea II
Yeah I think Bioware threw that in to explain why most people don't comment on it. Its funny that you said its human nature how we see similarities and exotic differences. That is what Bioware have been going for when making these different races. Usually they humanize them and show that they aren't unlike humanity.

[ArawnNox]

Off-Topic: I'm under the impression that biotics are the generation and manipulation of Mass Effect fields. They are not psychic powers.

On-Topic: Tali expresses an extreme level of trust with either gender Shepard. It just abruptly ends at that point for femsheps while male sheps can follow a romance. By the same token, as others have said, Garrus doesn't consider a romantic relationship with femshep unless she brings it up.

In my opinion, just because s/s sheps in those universes didn't bring up a desire for a relationship doesn't mean it's totally out of the cards. With Tali's "suit linking" chat, I found myself wondering "What does gender matter, at that point?". As for Garrus... well, it could be the same deal, he just didn't think it was an option until it's presented to him.

[KawaiiKatie]

1136342t54 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah yes, the Eternity Bar bachelor party scene, I remember it well, and it has inadvertently caused a world of misunderstanding regarding asari appearance. Asari aren't projecting a mental hologram into the mind of the viewer, if anything the upshot of that conversation is that each species fixates on features of the asari that are most similar to their own species, and it's believed that the reason for this is some type of asari pheremone, whether it's some type of chemical substance or subtle biotic effect. That's my take anyway. That scene has led many people down the primrose path, as amusing as it was I wish they had left it out.

I hope you aren't assuming I think the Asari are projecting a mental image to other species. just read my post above and thats basically what I think about the subject. To be honest it wouldn't be that out of the ordinary. Its possible that the Asari don't realize that mentally they are affecting another being's minds making an Asari less of a threat to a possible predator and it may have evolved from that. We know that Asari have mental capabilities so I wouldn't entirely rule it out but its less likely to be true.

No. No, no, no, no.

Where is Sten when I need him?

The Asari do not alter their appearence mentally in the minds of other species, subconsciously or otherwise. If they did, someone in the universe would have figured it out by now. Even if the solution was something as simple as making different races draw the Asari and then compare notes (possibly on a planet where no Asari are around to "influence" their minds) I garuntee that someone would have figured it out by now.

[1136342t54_]

@ArawnNox

I'm not saying that but it is known that Asari have mental capabilities such as mind melding and Morinth's ability to influence one's mind.

@KawaiiKatie
I thought I address this but I'm not saying that this is the reason for Asari looking a certain way to another race. Reread my post and you will see that I said it isn't that likely but a small possibility.

[1136342t54_]

ArawnNox wrote...

On-Topic: Tali expresses an extreme level of trust with either gender Shepard. It just abruptly ends at that point for femsheps while male sheps can follow a romance. By the same token, as others have said, Garrus doesn't consider a romantic relationship with femshep unless she brings it up.

In my opinion, just because s/s sheps in those universes didn't bring up a desire for a relationship doesn't mean it's totally out of the cards. With Tali's "suit linking" chat, I found myself wondering "What does gender matter, at that point?". As for Garrus... well, it could be the same deal, he just didn't think it was an option until it's presented to him.

Personally I would think it would make more sense if Garrus or Tali was open to the s/s option since the awkardness of being in a hetero romance would be about the same. Also they know each other really well (in most playthroughs) so I'd say it would've been better if they just introduce it in ME2. 

[xassantex]

if other Earth species suddenly became intelligent - that is at the same level as humans - would being attracted to them ( either genders ) still be considered beastiality ?
obviously you can guess where i'm heading with that question ! ;p

Modifié par xassantex, 22 juin 2011 - 03:16 .

[Siansonea]

Hmmm, I think speculations about bestiality and real-world Earth are rather off-topic.