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[Rinji the Bearded]

To be honest, I never really bought the alien romances. I hate to say it, but Asari make the most amount of sense, but it's shame it's set up that way.

[78stonewobble]

HEY !!! ... I don't shave my body, usually a beard and pretty long hair.

Thats not the problem!!!

The problem is that, of all the fun side effects one can have from medication like hallucinations, hyper activity, stonedness, a good buzz my side effect is to sweat alot.

I have the WORST luck.

EDIT: No wait... I forgot the other side effect... Worse coordination. So I got extra clumsy too.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 22 juin 2011 - 03:57 .

[ElitePinecone]

78stonewobble wrote...

I just kinda "assumed" that turian/quarian genders were somewhat reminiscent of human men and women.

That is certain behaviour, priorities, oppinions and so forth. Could you call it general mannerisms? 

Very generally though...

I don't particularly want to get involved in a debate over this, but bear with me here. 

We can assume that almost certainly all human males (and lesbians) don't find female chimpanzees, apes, bonobos or gorillas attractive. Ditto for female humans and gay men with male primates. Yet these are the species both psyiologically and behaviourally the closest to humans. Mass Effect takes liberties by introducing the vaguely human-like asari and bipedal aliens in quarians, turians, salarians, volus, etc, etc. Still, human attraction - with some exceptions - generally extends only to humans. We can assume that a similar process would be at work with other species, with one notable exception in the asari. 

Quarians and turians are so far removed from anything even remotely human that to say one can be attracted to 'a turian male' or 'a turian female' without turning them into human analogues with beaks and scales would be a hard ask.

Even if gender roles evolved similarly in both the quarian and turian species to what human norms are in 2186 (and that's a ridiculous coincidence, given the diversity of gender roles among Earth species), and even if femShep/maleShep happened to fill these roles perfectly for Garrus and Tali, respectively, there's still one huge problem. 

The difference - in physical appearance, behaviour, psychology, mannerisms, etc - between a male and female human are infinitesimally smaller than the differences between humans and turians as a species. Male or female. They don't even have the same chirality of amino acids! 

If the Garrus and Tali romances are based on Shepard's character and deeds rather than her/his physical appearance (which, they claim, is the case) then it's completely implausible that this would only apply to one gender of Shepard. 

The gender dichotomy is vastly smaller than the species dichotomy. If they've crossed the species divide already, the gender divide makes absolutely no sense. It's applying a human view of gender onto an alien. 

That being said, the Tali/Garrus romances were unwise to begin with. Expanding them in ME3 would, in my view, spark a ridiculous amount of whining from characters upset that their DUDEBRO GARRUS was being realistic in not paying attention to gender divides, or that Tali was suddenly not the infantile romance option (because, kids, lesbians are somehow mature and can't be innocent....).

It's up to Bioware, obviously, but I think it's plain that the reaction wouldn't be good. I have to stand by my view, though, that the quarian/turian romances were an ill-advised indulgence to begin with, and make zero sense if only confined to one gender. 

[Maugrim]

Siansonea II wrote...

I imagine for hairless species, the idea of hair might be kind of gross. I mean, thousands and thousands of keratin filaments, all clumped together willy-nilly? They collect dead skin cells and other skin secretions like sweat and sebum? And they grow in seemingly random patches on the human body? Yuck.

And I thought I liked long hair but when you describe it like that...

LOL but also so very true.  Sex and gender seem like the quaint and artificial barriers they are when you add different species into the mix.

[Rinji the Bearded]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I don't particularly want to get involved in a debate over this, but bear with me here. 

We can assume that almost certainly all human males (and lesbians) don't find female chimpanzees, apes, bonobos or gorillas attractive. Ditto for female humans and gay men with male primates. Yet these are the species both psyiologically and behaviourally the closest to humans. Mass Effect takes liberties by introducing the vaguely human-like asari and bipedal aliens in quarians, turians, salarians, volus, etc, etc. Still, human attraction - with some exceptions - generally extends only to humans. We can assume that a similar process would be at work with other species, with one notable exception in the asari. 

Quarians and turians are so far removed from anything even remotely human that to say one can be attracted to 'a turian male' or 'a turian female' without turning them into human analogues with beaks and scales would be a hard ask.

Even if gender roles evolved similarly in both the quarian and turian species to what human norms are in 2186 (and that's a ridiculous coincidence, given the diversity of gender roles among Earth species), and even if femShep/maleShep happened to fill these roles perfectly for Garrus and Tali, respectively, there's still one huge problem. 

The difference - in physical appearance, behaviour, psychology, mannerisms, etc - between a male and female human are infinitesimally smaller than the differences between humans and turians as a species. Male or female. They don't even have the same chirality of amino acids! 

If the Garrus and Tali romances are based on Shepard's character and deeds rather than her/his physical appearance (which, they claim, is the case) then it's completely implausible that this would only apply to one gender of Shepard. 

The gender dichotomy is vastly smaller than the species dichotomy. If they've crossed the species divide already, the gender divide makes absolutely no sense. It's applying a human view of gender onto an alien. 

That being said, the Tali/Garrus romances were unwise to begin with. Expanding them in ME3 would, in my view, spark a ridiculous amount of whining from characters upset that their DUDEBRO GARRUS was being realistic in not paying attention to gender divides, or that Tali was suddenly not the infantile romance option (because, kids, lesbians are somehow mature and can't be innocent....).

It's up to Bioware, obviously, but I think it's plain that the reaction wouldn't be good. I have to stand by my view, though, that the quarian/turian romances were an ill-advised indulgence to begin with, and make zero sense if only confined to one gender. 

Pretty much how I feel about this issue.  I thought their romances were somewhat poorly implemented, as I felt like Garrus and Tali had no reason to be PHYSICALLY attracted to Shepard... and there really wasn't any indication that they were.  If an alien can forget the species barrier to fall in love with a human because of their personality, I feel like the human's gender would no longer matter in that case.  It's not as if they can reproduce, or even have conventional sex.  It's NOT for physical reasons.  It does not matter that Shepard may just FAINTLY represent a male quarian or a female turian.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 juin 2011 - 04:07 .

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

yeah, never got the fascination with garrus and tali as romances...
garrus was always shep's best bud and tali somewhat a little sister
i was honsetly quite shocked when they announced them for ME 2, but each their own, as long as i get my lesbian ash and miri for ME3 i'm happy

Modifié par Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger, 22 juin 2011 - 04:08 .

[78stonewobble]

ElitePinecone wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

I just kinda "assumed" that turian/quarian genders were somewhat reminiscent of human men and women.

That is certain behaviour, priorities, oppinions and so forth. Could you call it general mannerisms? 

Very generally though...

I don't particularly want to get involved in a debate over this, but bear with me here. 

We can assume that almost certainly all human males (and lesbians) don't find female chimpanzees, apes, bonobos or gorillas attractive. Ditto for female humans and gay men with male primates. Yet these are the species both psyiologically and behaviourally the closest to humans. Mass Effect takes liberties by introducing the vaguely human-like asari and bipedal aliens in quarians, turians, salarians, volus, etc, etc. Still, human attraction - with some exceptions - generally extends only to humans. We can assume that a similar process would be at work with other species, with one notable exception in the asari. 

Quarians and turians are so far removed from anything even remotely human that to say one can be attracted to 'a turian male' or 'a turian female' without turning them into human analogues with beaks and scales would be a hard ask.

Even if gender roles evolved similarly in both the quarian and turian species to what human norms are in 2186 (and that's a ridiculous coincidence, given the diversity of gender roles among Earth species), and even if femShep/maleShep happened to fill these roles perfectly for Garrus and Tali, respectively, there's still one huge problem. 

The difference - in physical appearance, behaviour, psychology, mannerisms, etc - between a male and female human are infinitesimally smaller than the differences between humans and turians as a species. Male or female. They don't even have the same chirality of amino acids! 

If the Garrus and Tali romances are based on Shepard's character and deeds rather than her/his physical appearance (which, they claim, is the case) then it's completely implausible that this would only apply to one gender of Shepard. 

The gender dichotomy is vastly smaller than the species dichotomy. If they've crossed the species divide already, the gender divide makes absolutely no sense. It's applying a human view of gender onto an alien. 

That being said, the Tali/Garrus romances were unwise to begin with. Expanding them in ME3 would, in my view, spark a ridiculous amount of whining from characters upset that their DUDEBRO GARRUS was being realistic in not paying attention to gender divides, or that Tali was suddenly not the infantile romance option (because, kids, lesbians are somehow mature and can't be innocent....).

It's up to Bioware, obviously, but I think it's plain that the reaction wouldn't be good. I have to stand by my view, though, that the quarian/turian romances were an ill-advised indulgence to begin with, and make zero sense if only confined to one gender. 

Well it's not like I could have nice discussion with a female chimpanzee at the local bar/pub and share our common interests. Allthough... I could have sworn that some guys there looks quite similar.

Still wouldn't you agree that alien differences aside it does make ingame sense that Garrus/Thane does remind you of  (human) men and Tali of a (human) woman. That in-universe that despite the differences aliens and humans aren't that dissimilar?

 PS. Though I would like the original characters to have their same (my interpretation of them) preferences continued, it really wouldn't really affect my game negatively if they were s/s options. It's more of a game/aesthaetic objection I have.

PPS: It's all about the looks and physical attributes to people isn't it? *lol* you so shallow

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 22 juin 2011 - 04:10 .

[TelexFerra]

2 marriages = 2 men + 2 women

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

meaning a m/m and a f/f marriage?

[AngelicMachinery]

78stonewobble wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

I just kinda "assumed" that turian/quarian genders were somewhat reminiscent of human men and women.

That is certain behaviour, priorities, oppinions and so forth. Could you call it general mannerisms? 

Very generally though...

I don't particularly want to get involved in a debate over this, but bear with me here. 

We can assume that almost certainly all human males (and lesbians) don't find female chimpanzees, apes, bonobos or gorillas attractive. Ditto for female humans and gay men with male primates. Yet these are the species both psyiologically and behaviourally the closest to humans. Mass Effect takes liberties by introducing the vaguely human-like asari and bipedal aliens in quarians, turians, salarians, volus, etc, etc. Still, human attraction - with some exceptions - generally extends only to humans. We can assume that a similar process would be at work with other species, with one notable exception in the asari. 

Quarians and turians are so far removed from anything even remotely human that to say one can be attracted to 'a turian male' or 'a turian female' without turning them into human analogues with beaks and scales would be a hard ask.

Even if gender roles evolved similarly in both the quarian and turian species to what human norms are in 2186 (and that's a ridiculous coincidence, given the diversity of gender roles among Earth species), and even if femShep/maleShep happened to fill these roles perfectly for Garrus and Tali, respectively, there's still one huge problem. 

The difference - in physical appearance, behaviour, psychology, mannerisms, etc - between a male and female human are infinitesimally smaller than the differences between humans and turians as a species. Male or female. They don't even have the same chirality of amino acids! 

If the Garrus and Tali romances are based on Shepard's character and deeds rather than her/his physical appearance (which, they claim, is the case) then it's completely implausible that this would only apply to one gender of Shepard. 

The gender dichotomy is vastly smaller than the species dichotomy. If they've crossed the species divide already, the gender divide makes absolutely no sense. It's applying a human view of gender onto an alien. 

That being said, the Tali/Garrus romances were unwise to begin with. Expanding them in ME3 would, in my view, spark a ridiculous amount of whining from characters upset that their DUDEBRO GARRUS was being realistic in not paying attention to gender divides, or that Tali was suddenly not the infantile romance option (because, kids, lesbians are somehow mature and can't be innocent....).

It's up to Bioware, obviously, but I think it's plain that the reaction wouldn't be good. I have to stand by my view, though, that the quarian/turian romances were an ill-advised indulgence to begin with, and make zero sense if only confined to one gender. 

Well it's not like I could have nice discussion with a female chimpanzee at the local bar/pub and share our common interests. Allthough... I could have sworn that some guys there looks quite similar.

Still wouldn't you agree that alien differences aside it does make ingame sense that Garrus/Thane does remind you of  (human) men and Tali of a (human) woman. That in-universe that despite the differences aliens and humans aren't that dissimilar?

 PS. Though I would like the original characters to have their same (my interpretation of them) preferences continued, it really wouldn't really affect my game negatively if they were s/s options. It's more of a game/aesthaetic objection I have.

PPS: It's all about the looks and physical attributes to people isn't it? *lol* you so shallow

Tali may very well be very human,  we haven’t quite seen what’s going on beneath that suit of hers.  Garrus on the other hand isn’t particularly human,  she he is anthropomorphic but outside of having two eyes and a mouth…  does he have a nose?  There isn’t anything particularly human looking about him,  his build is completely inhuman, his body is covered in plates,  and well he has mandibles.  Finding him attractive doesn’t mesh well with typical human sexuality…  it’s rather similar to that group that find those humanoid animals attractive.  I must assume that the same can be said of Garrus as we essentially look like shaved apes while he’s used to scales and his own races features.

[TelexFerra]

Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...

meaning a m/m and a f/f marriage?

Naturally

[xassantex]

AngelicMachinery wrote...


Yea...hair is pretty gross...

what ? 
i love hair. 
one more reason to go for Kaidan then . 

 Plus, there's a big return of hair in the gay world. ;p

this said, when doing Tali's loyalty , as opposed to turians i found the male quarians quite intriguing. And 
their legs are very satyr like. 

[AngelicMachinery]

xassantex wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...


Yea...hair is pretty gross...

what ? 
i love hair. 
one more reason to go for Kaidan then . 

 Plus, there's a big return of hair in the gay world. ;p

this said, when doing Tali's loyalty , as opposed to turians i found the male quarians quite intriguing. And 
their legs are very satyr like. 

Eh it tends to get everywhere.  I've got long hair myself,  but,  one must admit that it can be horribly problematic.

[bleetman]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I must assume that the same can be said of Garrus as we essentially look like shaved apes while he’s used to scales and his own races features.

Human females also have those funny bumps.

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

@Telex: *sighs in relief*, thought another one of those trolls had found his way into th

xassantex wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...


Yea...hair is pretty gross...

what ? 
i love hair. 
one more reason to go for Kaidan then .

and all the more reason to go for ash's long silky hair^_^

[78stonewobble]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

I just kinda "assumed" that turian/quarian genders were somewhat reminiscent of human men and women.

That is certain behaviour, priorities, oppinions and so forth. Could you call it general mannerisms? 

Very generally though...

I don't particularly want to get involved in a debate over this, but bear with me here. 

We can assume that almost certainly all human males (and lesbians) don't find female chimpanzees, apes, bonobos or gorillas attractive. Ditto for female humans and gay men with male primates. Yet these are the species both psyiologically and behaviourally the closest to humans. Mass Effect takes liberties by introducing the vaguely human-like asari and bipedal aliens in quarians, turians, salarians, volus, etc, etc. Still, human attraction - with some exceptions - generally extends only to humans. We can assume that a similar process would be at work with other species, with one notable exception in the asari. 

Quarians and turians are so far removed from anything even remotely human that to say one can be attracted to 'a turian male' or 'a turian female' without turning them into human analogues with beaks and scales would be a hard ask.

Even if gender roles evolved similarly in both the quarian and turian species to what human norms are in 2186 (and that's a ridiculous coincidence, given the diversity of gender roles among Earth species), and even if femShep/maleShep happened to fill these roles perfectly for Garrus and Tali, respectively, there's still one huge problem. 

The difference - in physical appearance, behaviour, psychology, mannerisms, etc - between a male and female human are infinitesimally smaller than the differences between humans and turians as a species. Male or female. They don't even have the same chirality of amino acids! 

If the Garrus and Tali romances are based on Shepard's character and deeds rather than her/his physical appearance (which, they claim, is the case) then it's completely implausible that this would only apply to one gender of Shepard. 

The gender dichotomy is vastly smaller than the species dichotomy. If they've crossed the species divide already, the gender divide makes absolutely no sense. It's applying a human view of gender onto an alien. 

That being said, the Tali/Garrus romances were unwise to begin with. Expanding them in ME3 would, in my view, spark a ridiculous amount of whining from characters upset that their DUDEBRO GARRUS was being realistic in not paying attention to gender divides, or that Tali was suddenly not the infantile romance option (because, kids, lesbians are somehow mature and can't be innocent....).

It's up to Bioware, obviously, but I think it's plain that the reaction wouldn't be good. I have to stand by my view, though, that the quarian/turian romances were an ill-advised indulgence to begin with, and make zero sense if only confined to one gender. 

Well it's not like I could have nice discussion with a female chimpanzee at the local bar/pub and share our common interests. Allthough... I could have sworn that some guys there looks quite similar.

Still wouldn't you agree that alien differences aside it does make ingame sense that Garrus/Thane does remind you of  (human) men and Tali of a (human) woman. That in-universe that despite the differences aliens and humans aren't that dissimilar?

 PS. Though I would like the original characters to have their same (my interpretation of them) preferences continued, it really wouldn't really affect my game negatively if they were s/s options. It's more of a game/aesthaetic objection I have.

PPS: It's all about the looks and physical attributes to people isn't it? *lol* you so shallow

Tali may very well be very human,  we haven’t quite seen what’s going on beneath that suit of hers.  Garrus on the other hand isn’t particularly human,  she he is anthropomorphic but outside of having two eyes and a mouth…  does he have a nose?  There isn’t anything particularly human looking about him,  his build is completely inhuman, his body is covered in plates,  and well he has mandibles.  Finding him attractive doesn’t mesh well with typical human sexuality…  it’s rather similar to that group that find those humanoid animals attractive.  I must assume that the same can be said of Garrus as we essentially look like shaved apes while he’s used to scales and his own races features.

I still kinda associate Garrus quite readily with human male behaviour and attributes (not physical). From behaviour.

Turian females on the other hand might behave in the exact same manner though. Will be interesting to see.

[Rinji the Bearded]

xassantex wrote...

what ? 
i love hair. 
one more reason to go for Kaidan then . 

 Plus, there's a big return of hair in the gay world. ;p

this said, when doing Tali's loyalty , as opposed to turians i found the male quarians quite intriguing. And 
their legs are very satyr like.

His Elvis hair is so hot I can't think straight

Neither can he apparently.

[xassantex]

78stonewobble wrote...

I still kinda associate Garrus quite readily with human male behaviour and attributes (not physical). From behaviour.

Turian females on the other hand might behave in the exact same manner though. Will be interesting to see.

what about reach and flexibility ?

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

78stonewobble wrote...

I still kinda associate Garrus quite readily with human male behaviour and attributes (not physical). From behaviour.

Turian females on the other hand might behave in the exact same manner though. Will be interesting to see.

from what i gatherd from the last novel( Orinia is female afterall), and what i know about urian culture, i think their demeanor won't be that different, they also have that stern discipline drilled into their heads, also have compulsory military service, i admit, they most likely have female traits, bot i think more in an amazonish kind of way

[AngelicMachinery]

78stonewobble wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

I just kinda "assumed" that turian/quarian genders were somewhat reminiscent of human men and women.

That is certain behaviour, priorities, oppinions and so forth. Could you call it general mannerisms? 

Very generally though...

I don't particularly want to get involved in a debate over this, but bear with me here. 

We can assume that almost certainly all human males (and lesbians) don't find female chimpanzees, apes, bonobos or gorillas attractive. Ditto for female humans and gay men with male primates. Yet these are the species both psyiologically and behaviourally the closest to humans. Mass Effect takes liberties by introducing the vaguely human-like asari and bipedal aliens in quarians, turians, salarians, volus, etc, etc. Still, human attraction - with some exceptions - generally extends only to humans. We can assume that a similar process would be at work with other species, with one notable exception in the asari. 

Quarians and turians are so far removed from anything even remotely human that to say one can be attracted to 'a turian male' or 'a turian female' without turning them into human analogues with beaks and scales would be a hard ask.

Even if gender roles evolved similarly in both the quarian and turian species to what human norms are in 2186 (and that's a ridiculous coincidence, given the diversity of gender roles among Earth species), and even if femShep/maleShep happened to fill these roles perfectly for Garrus and Tali, respectively, there's still one huge problem. 

The difference - in physical appearance, behaviour, psychology, mannerisms, etc - between a male and female human are infinitesimally smaller than the differences between humans and turians as a species. Male or female. They don't even have the same chirality of amino acids! 

If the Garrus and Tali romances are based on Shepard's character and deeds rather than her/his physical appearance (which, they claim, is the case) then it's completely implausible that this would only apply to one gender of Shepard. 

The gender dichotomy is vastly smaller than the species dichotomy. If they've crossed the species divide already, the gender divide makes absolutely no sense. It's applying a human view of gender onto an alien. 

That being said, the Tali/Garrus romances were unwise to begin with. Expanding them in ME3 would, in my view, spark a ridiculous amount of whining from characters upset that their DUDEBRO GARRUS was being realistic in not paying attention to gender divides, or that Tali was suddenly not the infantile romance option (because, kids, lesbians are somehow mature and can't be innocent....).

It's up to Bioware, obviously, but I think it's plain that the reaction wouldn't be good. I have to stand by my view, though, that the quarian/turian romances were an ill-advised indulgence to begin with, and make zero sense if only confined to one gender. 

Well it's not like I could have nice discussion with a female chimpanzee at the local bar/pub and share our common interests. Allthough... I could have sworn that some guys there looks quite similar.

Still wouldn't you agree that alien differences aside it does make ingame sense that Garrus/Thane does remind you of  (human) men and Tali of a (human) woman. That in-universe that despite the differences aliens and humans aren't that dissimilar?

 PS. Though I would like the original characters to have their same (my interpretation of them) preferences continued, it really wouldn't really affect my game negatively if they were s/s options. It's more of a game/aesthaetic objection I have.

PPS: It's all about the looks and physical attributes to people isn't it? *lol* you so shallow

Tali may very well be very human,  we haven’t quite seen what’s going on beneath that suit of hers.  Garrus on the other hand isn’t particularly human,  she he is anthropomorphic but outside of having two eyes and a mouth…  does he have a nose?  There isn’t anything particularly human looking about him,  his build is completely inhuman, his body is covered in plates,  and well he has mandibles.  Finding him attractive doesn’t mesh well with typical human sexuality…  it’s rather similar to that group that find those humanoid animals attractive.  I must assume that the same can be said of Garrus as we essentially look like shaved apes while he’s used to scales and his own races features.

I still kinda associate Garrus quite readily with human male behaviour and attributes (not physical). From behaviour.

Turian females on the other hand might behave in the exact same manner though. Will be interesting to see.

I'm not doubting Garrus' masculinity,  that is firmly rooted in fact.  I am just suggesting that it goes against the norms of a species to indulge in a sexual daliance with another creature outside of it's own.  The character has already shown pansexual tendencies.

[xassantex]

RinjiRenee wrote...

xassantex wrote...

what ? 
i love hair. 
one more reason to go for Kaidan then . 

 Plus, there's a big return of hair in the gay world. ;p

this said, when doing Tali's loyalty , as opposed to turians i found the male quarians quite intriguing. And 
their legs are very satyr like.

His Elvis hair is so hot I can't think straight

Neither can he apparently.

lol, right on ! and the fur as seen in some fan art. 

[Nashiktal]

RinjiRenee wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I don't particularly want to get involved in a debate over this, but bear with me here. 

We can assume that almost certainly all human males (and lesbians) don't find female chimpanzees, apes, bonobos or gorillas attractive. Ditto for female humans and gay men with male primates. Yet these are the species both psyiologically and behaviourally the closest to humans. Mass Effect takes liberties by introducing the vaguely human-like asari and bipedal aliens in quarians, turians, salarians, volus, etc, etc. Still, human attraction - with some exceptions - generally extends only to humans. We can assume that a similar process would be at work with other species, with one notable exception in the asari. 

Quarians and turians are so far removed from anything even remotely human that to say one can be attracted to 'a turian male' or 'a turian female' without turning them into human analogues with beaks and scales would be a hard ask.

Even if gender roles evolved similarly in both the quarian and turian species to what human norms are in 2186 (and that's a ridiculous coincidence, given the diversity of gender roles among Earth species), and even if femShep/maleShep happened to fill these roles perfectly for Garrus and Tali, respectively, there's still one huge problem. 

The difference - in physical appearance, behaviour, psychology, mannerisms, etc - between a male and female human are infinitesimally smaller than the differences between humans and turians as a species. Male or female. They don't even have the same chirality of amino acids! 

If the Garrus and Tali romances are based on Shepard's character and deeds rather than her/his physical appearance (which, they claim, is the case) then it's completely implausible that this would only apply to one gender of Shepard. 

The gender dichotomy is vastly smaller than the species dichotomy. If they've crossed the species divide already, the gender divide makes absolutely no sense. It's applying a human view of gender onto an alien. 

That being said, the Tali/Garrus romances were unwise to begin with. Expanding them in ME3 would, in my view, spark a ridiculous amount of whining from characters upset that their DUDEBRO GARRUS was being realistic in not paying attention to gender divides, or that Tali was suddenly not the infantile romance option (because, kids, lesbians are somehow mature and can't be innocent....).

It's up to Bioware, obviously, but I think it's plain that the reaction wouldn't be good. I have to stand by my view, though, that the quarian/turian romances were an ill-advised indulgence to begin with, and make zero sense if only confined to one gender. 

Pretty much how I feel about this issue.  I thought their romances were somewhat poorly implemented, as I felt like Garrus and Tali had no reason to be PHYSICALLY attracted to Shepard... and there really wasn't any indication that they were.  If an alien can forget the species barrier to fall in love with a human because of their personality, I feel like the human's gender would no longer matter in that case.  It's not as if they can reproduce, or even have conventional sex.  It's NOT for physical reasons.  It does not matter that Shepard may just FAINTLY represent a male quarian or a female turian.

Well Garrus WASN'T physically attracted to femshep. So I am not sure if you even romanced Garrus in the game, or if you are basing all these arguments on assumptions.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 22 juin 2011 - 05:33 .

[Siansonea]

Turians do seem to find quarians interesting sexually, if "Fleet and Flotilla" is any indication. So maybe they've developed some preference for quarian body shapes over the centuries, and associate human torso shapes with quarian torso shapes. *shrugs*

[Rinji the Bearded]

Nashiktal wrote...

Well Garrus WASN'T physically attracted to femshep. So I am not sure if you even romanced Garrus in the game, or if you are basing all these arguments on assumptions.

He isn't physically attracted to a female Shepard, yes.  So basically, what we're arguing here is that Garrus being strictly heterosexual seems to be a moot point because he's obviously not into it for the physical attraction,  but the emotional attraction.  I guess one might say that he's heterosexual for female turians, and that it could be transferred to a female Shepard because she's still female to him... Eh, seems kinda weird to me.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 juin 2011 - 05:40 .

[Palidane]

I'm fine with optional s/s romances, but I don't want Bioware to retcon people as bisexual. Most of the already introduced squad mates are straight, and randomly declaring them bi seems like a cop-out.