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[ElitePinecone]

She never mentions Christianity in the game - if she did in yours, it has to be a bizarre localisation error or substitution by censors.

[Maugrim]

Here is the proof.

[Zeenof]

I'm not completely sure how to properly links things but here:



At about the 6:30 mark is when the conversation begins. She says "God" and nothing about being "Christian". Unless there's some option I've missed, that is.

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Modifié par Zeenof, 01 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Daashi]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Here is the proof.

I'll just take your word for it, rather than listen to Ashley. No offence to the Ashley fans but I just couldn't stand her.

[PlumPaul93]

ElitePinecone wrote...If Ashley's s/s romance (assuming one was planned in the first place) was cut because they were afraid of the controversy, I'd be... pretty pissed.

Don't know why you'd think that, if they were worried about controversy they wouldn't have put any S/S romance into the game (or go with the endings they went with).

[AmuHav]

Well, I don't see why her being Christian (if she is) would stop her being bi, even if that is the case.

Coronation Street (A pretty bad english soap opera lol) had Sophie, who was really religious, and she came out as a lesbian last year. It was rather well written for a soap opera, and was the only reason i watched it for a brief time. (I mean there was the blatant coming out drama, but hey, soap opera )

So even if Ashley was Christian, they could have handled it okay, I think

Modifié par AmuHav , 01 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[RomanDark]

Daashi wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Here is the proof.

I'll just take your word for it, rather than listen to Ashley. No offence to the Ashley fans but I just couldn't stand her.

this ^

I am all for those who love her to be able to lover her, but I personally left her on Virmire every time cause I couldn't stand her. Though if I had to choose between her and Tali....

[Collider]

I figure it's more likely that Ashley isn't F/F to differentiate her from Kaidan and/or in consideration of the number of other s/s options. Or maybe they didn't even consider it. As another poster said, demand for F/F with preexisting characters was generally split between Ashley, Jack, and Tali.

Notice that Leliana is highly religious (yea, I know, people can't claim she's Christian, but nonetheless) yet she's unashamedly interested in women - quite possibly more inclined towards them than men.

Modifié par Collider, 01 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Daashi]

Collider wrote...

I figure it's more likely that Ashley isn't F/F to differentiate her from Kaidan and/or in consideration of the number of other s/s options.

Notice that Leliana is highly religious (yea, I know, people can't claim she's Christian, but nonetheless) yet she's unashamedly interested in women - quite possibly more inclined towards them than men.

But there is nothing in DA's religious dogma that is against homosexuality. Meanwhile RL religions seem to be against anything that isn't, one man, one woman, married to each other, unprotected, missionary position sex for the sole purpose of having a child.

[Collider]

But there is nothing in DA's religious dogma that is against homosexuality.

Right. I'm just saying that Bioware isn't necessarily scared of making religious/spiritual characters gay or bisexual. There seems to be no precedent of it, anyway.

Modifié par Collider, 01 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Wittand25]

RomanDark wrote...

Daashi wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Here is the proof.

I'll just take your word for it, rather than listen to Ashley. No offence to the Ashley fans but I just couldn't stand her.

this ^

I am all for those who love her to be able to lover her, but I personally left her on Virmire every time cause I couldn't stand her. Though if I had to choose between her and Tali....

Really ? She was my second favorite squadmate in ME1. It is just her bad luck that Kaidan is my number one. But if there was the option to leave Tali or Liara with the bomb instead of her I would not need more than a second to decide who stays.

[Knightly_BW]

AmuHav wrote...

Well, I don't see why her being Christian (if she is) would stop her being bi, even if that is the case.

Coronation Street (A pretty bad english soap opera lol) had Sophie, who was really religious, and she came out as a lesbian last year. It was rather well written for a soap opera, and was the only reason i watched it for a brief time. (I mean there was the blatant coming out drama, but hey, soap opera )

So even if Ashley was Christian, they could have handled it okay, I think

I don't live in UK or USA however know their general look at those kind of things.

As you said it is English Soap not an American one. To me British people always seems cool with LGBT issues while Americans have their very terrifying groups who has very very twisted ideas (like those whose blamed gays for soldiers who died in Iraq).

Also UK have TV shows starring Russell Tovey and John Borrowman who, I think, are very good role models for young gay people.

[Collider]

I don't really like Ashley, but I thought she was a stronger character than Kaidan writing wise. And the interactions with her as unromanced male Shepard were definitely stronger than the interactions with Kaidan as unromanced male Shepard.
But that's just my opinion.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Collider wrote...

I don't really like Ashley, but I thought she was a stronger character than Kaidan writing wise. And the interactions with her as unromanced male Shepard were definitely stronger than the interactions with Kaidan as unromanced male Shepard.
But that's just my opinion.

She's the most well written squad mate so far, in my opinion. I'd choose her over Kaidan if he wasn't potentially the only m/m squad mate.

[Daashi]

Ugh . . . I hate talking about religion so I'll stop now.

I am still pretty ticked that since ME1 the development team seems to have this "oh, Lesbians = hot, gay guys = icky so lets not have in our game" mentallity. Even if BW seems to be netural towards homosexuality regardless of gender or pro-homosexual depending on which side of that argument that you fall on, the ME team has what I like to refer to it as a "American" attitude towards sexuality. And I refer to it as such because female homosexuality seems to be more mainstream, more accepted in American media than male homosexuality is. And even then female homosexuality is more as sexual titillation for blokes than genuinely remarking; "hey some women prefer other women".

Modifié par Daashi, 01 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[Collider]

She's the most well written squad mate so far, in my opinion. I'd choose her over Kaidan if he wasn't potentially the only m/m squad mate.

Forgetting what we've recently been discussing, I feel like the dialog and character roles that occur after Virmire were primarily made for Ashley, too.

I am still pretty ticked that since ME1 the development team seems to have this "oh, Lesbians = hot, gay guys = icky so lets not have in our game" mentallity. Even if BW seems to be netural towards homosexuality regardless of gender or pro-homosexual depending on which side of that argument that you fall on, the ME team has what I like to refer to it as a "American" attitude towards sexuality. And I refer to it as such because female homosexuality seems to be more mainstream, more accepted in American media than male homosexuality is. And even then female homosexuality is more as sexual titulation for blokes than genuinely remarking; "hey some women prefer other women".

Yup.
They really need to quit doing this.

[ElitePinecone]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...If Ashley's s/s romance (assuming one was planned in the first place) was cut because they were afraid of the controversy, I'd be... pretty pissed.

Don't know why you'd think that, if they were worried about controversy they wouldn't have put any S/S romance into the game (or go with the endings they went with).

True - that's why I'm being careful with 'if'  

And yes, Steve's story in particular strikes me as the writers saying "controversy be damned, just throw in a married gay guy".

But you have to admit, there'd be a particularly conservative-wingnut-blogpost-attractive quality about "Christian soldier who believes in traditional values GOES GAY BECAUSE BIOWARE ARE UNGODLY, etc etc"

[Blacklash93]

Ugh, I'm so disgusted with the ME team right now. In quite a few ways, actually.

[AmuHav]

Asperius wrote...

AmuHav wrote...

Well, I don't see why her being Christian (if she is) would stop her being bi, even if that is the case.

Coronation Street (A pretty bad english soap opera lol) had Sophie, who was really religious, and she came out as a lesbian last year. It was rather well written for a soap opera, and was the only reason i watched it for a brief time. (I mean there was the blatant coming out drama, but hey, soap opera )

So even if Ashley was Christian, they could have handled it okay, I think

I don't live in UK or USA however know their general look at those kind of things.

As you said it is English Soap not an American one. To me British people always seems cool with LGBT issues while Americans have their very terrifying groups who has very very twisted ideas (like those whose blamed gays for soldiers who died in Iraq).

Also UK have TV shows starring Russell Tovey and John Borrowman who, I think, are very good role models for young gay people.

I wouldnt say all British people are all cool with LGBT issues, but we certainly don't have as many terrifying groups. When TV shows here do add gay or lesbian etc characters to a show, theyre often accused of "pandering" and just going out of their way to show "diversity and accepting" *facepalm*

Well anyway, far OT enough for now  Hopeful for the Kaidan news

[Wittand25]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Ugh, I'm so disgusted with the ME team right now. In quite a few ways, actually.

You get used to it. I am disgusted ever since they brought us Samara a Justicar with boobs so big that she could no longer close the front of her armor.
Honestly I wonder how people could still have that high hopes for ME3 after that.

[brain_damage]

I extracted the audio files - Ashley is not S/S. FemShep has little to no dialogue options with her, while MShep has tons of dialogue. Oh well.
Btw, Samantha has a really pleasant british accent

Modifié par brain_damage, 01 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[ElitePinecone]

Daashi wrote...

Ugh . . . I hate talking about religion so I'll stop now.

I am still pretty ticked that since ME1 the development team seems to have this "oh, Lesbians = hot, gay guys = icky so lets not have in our game" mentallity. Even if BW seems to be netural towards homosexuality regardless of gender or pro-homosexual depending on which side of that argument that you fall on, the ME team has what I like to refer to it as a "American" attitude towards sexuality. And I refer to it as such because female homosexuality seems to be more mainstream, more accepted in American media than male homosexuality is. And even then female homosexuality is more as sexual titillation for blokes than genuinely remarking; "hey some women prefer other women".

It's important to point out that the development team can't do a thing if some executive (or even a higher up person in the team) gets nervous about s/s content and either waters it down or orders its removal.

Blaming 'the devs' as a whole isn't very productive. Many of the individual writers are huge advocates for lgbt rights. 

(That doesn't excuse the stupid 'herp derp HAWT LESBIANS but fade Steve to black' thing, if indeed that has happened)

[ElitePinecone]

brain_damage wrote...

I extracted the audio files - Ashley is not S/S. FemShep has little to no dialogue options with her, while MShep has tons of dialogue. Oh well.

I genuinely feel for the Ash fans. 

While I'm not inviting you to 'do a Klace', any chance we could get some information on the mShep/Kaidan lines?

Or even confirmation that they're there?

This is Uncertainty Thursday, after all.

[Daashi]

[quote]AmuHav wrote...

Also UK have TV shows starring Russell Tovey and John Borrowman who, I think, are very good role models for young gay people.[/quote]

[/quote]
And Australia has Molly Meldrum as a gay role model. And if you heard even a fraction of the stories that are about him, you wouldn't exactly call him a "good" role model.

Modifié par Daashi, 01 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Collider]

This is Uncertainty Thursday, after all.

In that case we should doubt whatever lines we get anyway.