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[Siansonea]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, and by the time Horizon rolls around, Shepard is no longer in the chain of command, and is probably considered a rogue Alliance agent (due to the fact that he's working with a rogue Alliance organization) or simply as a Spectre, in which case Kaidan (or Ashley) wouldn't necessarily be expected to acknowledge Shepard's erstwhile Alliance rank.

But he still calls a (non-romanced) Shepard "Commander" on Horizon!  

I think Kaidan yelling "SHEPARD!" on the Normandy to a non-romanced Male Shepard is probably an oversight, as I'm sure Bioware assumed that most male Shepards romanced Liara or Ashley.

ArawnNox wrote...

*recalibrates your yaoi-goggles*

Thanks, they get a little out of control sometimes.

Ah, I had brain fail. I forgot about the Normandy SR1 sequence, and Kaidan saying "Shepard" to ManShep. I'm sure it was just a practical oversight. Somehow I got my wires crossed and thought we were talking about Horizon. Pay no attention to the old lady...

[Rinji the Bearded]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, I had brain fail. I forgot about the Normandy SR1 sequence, and Kaidan saying "Shepard" to ManShep. I'm sure it was just a practical oversight. Somehow I got my wires crossed and thought we were talking about Horizon. Pay no attention to the old lady...

Hey, no problem.

Ah, the Normandy SR1 sequence.  It was the only time my Shepard was using the more "Renegade" dialogue choices, yelling at his stubborn crew to gtfo as his ship fell to shambles around him.  He was being kind of rough on Kaidan and Joker, but it was some kinda tough love or something.  "GTFO THE NORMANDY IS GONE BUT I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE YOU STUPID JERKS ♥♥♥"

[PMC65]

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

[78stonewobble]

Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

I still kinda associate Garrus quite readily with human male behaviour and attributes (not physical). From behaviour.

Turian females on the other hand might behave in the exact same manner though. Will be interesting to see.

from what i gatherd from the last novel( Orinia is female afterall), and what i know about urian culture, i think their demeanor won't be that different, they also have that stern discipline drilled into their heads, also have compulsory military service, i admit, they most likely have female traits, bot i think more in an amazonish kind of way

Sadly I haven't read any of the other "fiction". So I'll have to take your word for that.

[78stonewobble]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well Garrus WASN'T physically attracted to femshep. So I am not sure if you even romanced Garrus in the game, or if you are basing all these arguments on assumptions.

He isn't physically attracted to a female Shepard, yes.  So basically, what we're arguing here is that Garrus being strictly heterosexual seems to be a moot point because he's obviously not into it for the physical attraction,  but the emotional attraction.  I guess one might say that he's heterosexual for female turians, and that it could be transferred to a female Shepard because she's still female to him... Eh, seems kinda weird to me.

I was thinking more along the lines that he was attracted to femshep due to her character but that her somewhat feminine character traits somehow played a role in that attraction. Basically that he would fall for a human female quite easily but not a human male. Since the human genders kinda or generally "fits" with Garrus's own (turian) gender identification.

Anyways I have absolutely no correct answer for this. It was just something I thought about since I, when looking at Garrus as a turian and Tali as a quarian quite readily associate with male/female traits. In the sense that I could fall for a "female" alien but not necessarily a "male" alien.

It's more a question of pondering the issue for me.

[Siansonea]

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Love it. It's stating the obvious, but as we've seen, sometimes you have to state the obvious. Over and over again.

[ArawnNox]

elektrego wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

good article...thanks for the link...basically my own thoughts

Pretty much echoes many of the thoughts raised in this thread.

[shepskisaac]

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Amazing article! Of course we knew all of that ourselves, but it's nice to see major gaming outlet writing about it as well!

[Siansonea]

I felt strongly enough about it to create an account on that site (the username Morinth wasn't taken, go figure!) and left a comment.

[78stonewobble]

"If an opposite-sex romance only option ruins a character’s consistency/validity in Mass Effect 3, you only have your own choices to blame."

Ahem... I still don't think that a persons own subjective interpretations and oppinions make something a facT.

I still support all bi (also the original ones) characters even though it isn't my preferred "solution".

I'd rather have more options that lets other people enjoy the game even more than let a minor aestethic issue of mine be an end all barrier. I'm certainly not that stubborn, dismissive or even *shudder* selfish.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 22 juin 2011 - 11:53 .

[Maugrim]

78stonewobble wrote...

"If an opposite-sex romance only option ruins a character’s consistency/validity in Mass Effect 3, you only have your own choices to blame."

Ahem... I still don't think that a persons own subjective interpretations and oppinions make something a facT.

I still support all bi (also the original ones) characters even though it isn't my preferred "solution".

I'd rather have more options that lets other people enjoy the game even more than let a minor aestethic issue of mine be an end all barrier. I'm certainly not that stubborn, dismissive or even *shudder* selfish.

I think another way to look at is might be this.  It's your job to keep your Shepards consistent.  It's Bioware's job to keep the NPC consistent.  You are the only person fit to judge the consistency of your Shepard.   And despite all the ****ing on the forums in the end only Bioware is fit to judge the consistency of their NPC's when it comes to something as interpetable, malleable, varied etc. as sexuality.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 22 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[Ryzaki]

Well a few NPCs are already inconsistent for my poor Shep. Hello Council that was all "LET'S KICK REAPER ASS!" to "ah yes 'Reapers'." >_>

[78stonewobble]

makenzieshepard wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

"If an opposite-sex romance only option ruins a character’s consistency/validity in Mass Effect 3, you only have your own choices to blame."

Ahem... I still don't think that a persons own subjective interpretations and oppinions make something a facT.

I still support all bi (also the original ones) characters even though it isn't my preferred "solution".

I'd rather have more options that lets other people enjoy the game even more than let a minor aestethic issue of mine be an end all barrier. I'm certainly not that stubborn, dismissive or even *shudder* selfish.

I think another way to look at is might be this.  It's your job to keep your Shepards consistent.  It's Bioware's job to keep the NPC consistent.  You are the only person fit to judge the consistency of your Shepard.   And despite all the ****ing on the forums in the end only Bioware is fit to judge the consistency of their NPC's when it comes to something as interpetable, malleable, varied etc. as sexuality.

Agreed... all bi option won't affect my ingame experience/interpretation.
 
My minor issue with it is more... hmm general/philosophical.

A little extra thing here... Some of you guys make other people feel stupid (or atleast their oppinions on the matter) between the lines. Which IMHO is a wee bit distastefull for some thing that isn't a exactly 2+2=4 fact math question. And I even agree with you quite a bit of the way on this issue.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 23 juin 2011 - 12:06 .

[Ryzaki]

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

Casey's tweet confirms not all previous LIs will be available for s/s romance (if any, his tweet can be interpreted in 2 ways):
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/70154686367404032

Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3

So it's pointless to even discuss 'all bi' option in ME3 since it won't happen.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 juin 2011 - 12:09 .

[78stonewobble]

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

IMHO the only big argument the fills alot in the debates and some peoples minds were the fact that the options weren't there in the beginning.

Lets hope that future games will have those options. I certainly hope that and IMHO it's about time.

EDIT and PS: Needs sleep... sleep deprivation has detrimental effects on post quality.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 23 juin 2011 - 12:13 .

[PMC65]

elektrego wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

good article...thanks for the link...basically my own thoughts

Your welcome

I didn't know if others had seen it when I did ... so sharing is caring as they say!

[Ryzaki]

78stonewobble wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

IMHO the only big argument the fills alot in the debates and some peoples minds were the fact that the options weren't there in the beginning.

Lets hope that future games will have those options. I certainly hope that and IMHO it's about time.

So much of the "Shepard's not gay." could've been easily avoided if the m/m option had been in since the first game. Alas.  

Ah well. Better late than never! 

[Siansonea]

78stonewobble wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

IMHO the only big argument the fills alot in the debates and some peoples minds were the fact that the options weren't there in the beginning.

Lets hope that future games will have those options. I certainly hope that and IMHO it's about time.

Well, literature is full of instances of missed opportunities, false starts, etc., that later come to fruition. Look how long it took Han Solo and Princess Leia to get together.

[78stonewobble]

Siansonea II wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

IMHO the only big argument the fills alot in the debates and some peoples minds were the fact that the options weren't there in the beginning.

Lets hope that future games will have those options. I certainly hope that and IMHO it's about time.

Well, literature is full of instances of missed opportunities, false starts, etc., that later come to fruition. Look how long it took Han Solo and Princess Leia to get together.

Oh it's just so unfair to bring up star wars. True nerds can't argue with that.

[PMC65]

78stonewobble wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

IMHO the only big argument the fills alot in the debates and some peoples minds were the fact that the options weren't there in the beginning.

Lets hope that future games will have those options. I certainly hope that and IMHO it's about time.

Well, literature is full of instances of missed opportunities, false starts, etc., that later come to fruition. Look how long it took Han Solo and Princess Leia to get together.

Oh it's just so unfair to bring up star wars. True nerds can't argue with that.

How come Princess Leia dressed better when she was dating Jabba the hut? Even as a little kid I knew "Wow! I want some of that!" (er, Leia not Jabba) Before that I just thought she was cool in her white outfit. Damn that Jabba ... he brought out the flirtier and sexier side of Leia than Han Solo.
 
 .... *runs away*            *runs back*

On topic: Will that happen to Ash if my fenshep dates her?     *runs away again*    

[shepskisaac]

PMC65 wrote...
On topic: Will that happen to Ash if my fenshep dates her?     *runs away again*

Ashley's already got Miranda'd up by default for all Sheps

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 juin 2011 - 12:33 .

[ElitePinecone]

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Thanks for the article. I thought this was especially relevant:

"It wasn’t until male same-sex options were announced that the outcry reached mainstream levels of discussion. As much as I want to believe the discussion is actually about narrative consistency, the lack of argument consistency from those against it suggests otherwise. Because same-sex romance options break the consistency of a male Shepard just as much as they do for a female Shepard. Which is to say, not at all."

Nobody was ever raging this much about Kelly or Liara. 

[Maugrim]

We need to send Scott some Rainbow cookies.