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[paptschik]

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Pretty boring article...like, I think most here could write it better and be better at taking some concerns of people that  fear change of past characters into concern. (sorry for the two concerns in there, my english is failing me right now)

I also have to say it makes the whole situation seem almost too easy.
I would love to go about it that way, with a "in my canon it is like this" situation. But many people would (logically and rightfully so) argue that what is the case in ones head-canon is not important, because if a character is bi or gay - he/she IS bi or gay. We're not talking Shepard here but the rest of the cast. I have characters where I say "yeah..they're probably bi or I could see them being bi" and I have characters where I say "nope, sorry, in my head they're straight". If it turns out I am wrong..well, then I am just that - wrong. That would bother me with some and not bother me with others, but the point is still that I can't see people simply saying "ok, in your game Character McInsertname is straight, in mine he/she is fully gay, in that others guys game he/she is bi". That would be nice, but...I can't see people acting in such a way. I'd think there would mostly be "well, he/she is bi. deal with it" talk. Which I think would be fully understandable. And that is something I think the article ignores.

Also...is the article indicating that Kelly and Shepard went all the way? I mean, it would seem likely with Kelly, but from looking at the game she, out of all people, is the one that DIDN'T bang Shep of either gender.

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78stonewobble wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

IMHO the only big argument the fills alot in the debates and some peoples minds were the fact that the options weren't there in the beginning.

Lets hope that future games will have those options. I certainly hope that and IMHO it's about time.

EDIT and PS: Needs sleep... sleep deprivation has detrimental effects on post quality.

Honestly, I think it should now be a given for future games.
With same sex relationships being present in both of the big bioware franchises, they create certain expectations. People will expect them to be there in the future. If anything, I'd rather hope for Bioware to go a bit further and have gay-only characters every now and then.

[paptschik]

Siansonea II wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with all bi is that the ship has sailed unless they're gonna make all the previous LIs romanceable to new players (without using the comic) and yeah...that's a lot of resources. Not worth it.

IMHO the only big argument the fills alot in the debates and some peoples minds were the fact that the options weren't there in the beginning.

Lets hope that future games will have those options. I certainly hope that and IMHO it's about time.

Well, literature is full of instances of missed opportunities, false starts, etc., that later come to fruition. Look how long it took Han Solo and Princess Leia to get together.

Eh, Leia wanted him halfway through A New Hope. She was just holding out and wanted to get some minor incest in before sealing the deal with Han.

That or she was waiting for him to break up with Chewie.

[Siansonea]

makenzieshepard wrote...

We need to send Scott some Rainbow cookies.

THIS.

[Siansonea]

paptschik wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Pretty boring article...like, I think most here could write it better and be better at taking some concerns of people that  fear change of past characters into concern. (sorry for the two concerns in there, my english is failing me right now)

I also have to say it makes the whole situation seem almost too easy.
I would love to go about it that way, with a "in my canon it is like this" situation. But many people would (logically and rightfully so) argue that what is the case in ones head-canon is not important, because if a character is bi or gay - he/she IS bi or gay. We're not talking Shepard here but the rest of the cast. I have characters where I say "yeah..they're probably bi or I could see them being bi" and I have characters where I say "nope, sorry, in my head they're straight". If it turns out I am wrong..well, then I am just that - wrong. That would bother me with some and not bother me with others, but the point is still that I can't see people simply saying "ok, in your game Character McInsertname is straight, in mine he/she is fully gay, in that others guys game he/she is bi". That would be nice, but...I can't see people acting in such a way. I'd think there would mostly be "well, he/she is bi. deal with it" talk. Which I think would be fully understandable. And that is something I think the article ignores.

Also...is the article indicating that Kelly and Shepard went all the way? I mean, it would seem likely with Kelly, but from looking at the game she, out of all people, is the one that DIDN'T bang Shep of either gender.

Oh I understand what you mean, and I'd probably feel like it would seem a little more "left field" for some characters than others, but it wouldn't bother me as much as other character changes I can think of. That's just not where I "draw the line in the sand" with a character. I think characters growing, changing, etc., is good, and romance is such a small part of that puzzle that it's not the make-or-break issue for me. Personally, I found Tali's willingness to accept exile and conceal her father's war crimes to be a much more aggravating character progression than her willingness to romance Shepard. Now this is just an example of my own personal perception, so I don't mean to derail the conversation into a debate about Tali, I just wanted to illustrate that BioWare's decisions about the Tali character outside of romance had a greater impact on my perception of who Tali is than anything regarding her romance storyline. I dunno, does that make sense? Or is it only making sense in my head?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 23 juin 2011 - 12:57 .

[PMC65]

paptschik wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Pretty boring article...like, I think most here could write it better and be better at taking some concerns of people that  fear change of past characters into concern. (sorry for the two concerns in there, my english is failing me right now)

I also have to say it makes the whole situation seem almost too easy.
I would love to go about it that way, with a "in my canon it is like this" situation. But many people would (logically and rightfully so) argue that what is the case in ones head-canon is not important, because if a character is bi or gay - he/she IS bi or gay. We're not talking Shepard here but the rest of the cast. I have characters where I say "yeah..they're probably bi or I could see them being bi" and I have characters where I say "nope, sorry, in my head they're straight". If it turns out I am wrong..well, then I am just that - wrong. That would bother me with some and not bother me with others, but the point is still that I can't see people simply saying "ok, in your game Character McInsertname is straight, in mine he/she is fully gay, in that others guys game he/she is bi". That would be nice, but...I can't see people acting in such a way. I'd think there would mostly be "well, he/she is bi. deal with it" talk. Which I think would be fully understandable. And that is something I think the article ignores.

Also...is the article indicating that Kelly and Shepard went all the way? I mean, it would seem likely with Kelly, but from looking at the game she, out of all people, is the one that DIDN'T bang Shep of either gender.

So sorry you found the article "boring" ... I have stated my opinion* previously and go with the "You bought your game, I bought mine = I won't tell you how to play yours, please don't tell me how to play mine". Only Bioware holds that power ... dang them! 

* valued at $.02

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ElitePinecone wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Thanks for the article. I thought this was especially relevant:

"It wasn’t until male same-sex options were announced that the outcry reached mainstream levels of discussion. As much as I want to believe the discussion is actually about narrative consistency, the lack of argument consistency from those against it suggests otherwise. Because same-sex romance options break the consistency of a male Shepard just as much as they do for a female Shepard. Which is to say, not at all."

Nobody was ever raging this much about Kelly or Liara. 

To be fair, I don't think there would be much of an outrage about, say, Vega being gay either.

[Rinji the Bearded]

paptschik wrote...

To be fair, I don't think there would be much of an outrage about, say, Vega being gay either.

Except that some players would automatically rule him out as being a "bro" and would probably refuse to interact with him.  I wasn't too shocked to find out that some people thought that male Shepard becoming bi/gay in ME3 would be a retcon of epic proportion.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 23 juin 2011 - 12:58 .

[paptschik]

Siansonea II wrote...

paptschik wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gamepro article .... http://www.gamepro.c...hepards-choice/

Pretty boring article...like, I think most here could write it better and be better at taking some concerns of people that  fear change of past characters into concern. (sorry for the two concerns in there, my english is failing me right now)

I also have to say it makes the whole situation seem almost too easy.
I would love to go about it that way, with a "in my canon it is like this" situation. But many people would (logically and rightfully so) argue that what is the case in ones head-canon is not important, because if a character is bi or gay - he/she IS bi or gay. We're not talking Shepard here but the rest of the cast. I have characters where I say "yeah..they're probably bi or I could see them being bi" and I have characters where I say "nope, sorry, in my head they're straight". If it turns out I am wrong..well, then I am just that - wrong. That would bother me with some and not bother me with others, but the point is still that I can't see people simply saying "ok, in your game Character McInsertname is straight, in mine he/she is fully gay, in that others guys game he/she is bi". That would be nice, but...I can't see people acting in such a way. I'd think there would mostly be "well, he/she is bi. deal with it" talk. Which I think would be fully understandable. And that is something I think the article ignores.

Also...is the article indicating that Kelly and Shepard went all the way? I mean, it would seem likely with Kelly, but from looking at the game she, out of all people, is the one that DIDN'T bang Shep of either gender.

Oh I understand what you mean, and I'd probably feel like it would seem a little more "left field" for some characters than others, but it wouldn't bother me as much as other character changes I can think of. That's just not where I "draw the line in the sand" with a character. I think characters growing, changing, etc., is good, and romance is such a small part of that puzzle that it's not the make-or-break for me. Personally, I found Tali's willingness to accept exile and conceal her father's war crimes to be a much more aggravating character progression than her willingness to romance Shepard. Now this is just an example of my own personal perception, so I don't mean to derail the conversation into a conversation about Tali, I just wanted to illustrate that BioWare's decisions about the Tali character outside of romance had a greater impact on my perception of who Tali is than anything regarding her romance storyline. I dunno, does that make sense? Or is only making sense in my head?

It does make sense and it's not like it will ruin the game or the characters for me. It'll be something where if it affects characters I wouldn't want to be affected..well, I'll go "meh...don't like this" and I'll go on to pretend that in my game it isn't like that even if I can never state that openly for fear of being corrected. That's..pretty minor, it's just something I talk about a lot because I care a lot about the romances in general (no duh, coming from an annoying shipper like myself).
I loved Dragon Age 2 despite that game, IMO, being the one Bioware game where they REALLY ruined a previously established character (and his sexuality had nothing to do with it, I had DA2 Anders for entirely different reasons), so if I end up with a ME3 game where my one major problem I can easily pretend to not be there in my game...okay, I'll live with it.
But hey, if in the end it is revealed that the bi/gay characters are new or characters I could see it with...well, then I'll be happy and I'll probably voice that happiness.

[paptschik]

PMC65 wrote...

So sorry you found the article "boring" ... I have stated my opinion* previously and go with the "You bought your game, I bought mine = I won't tell you how to play yours, please don't tell me how to play mine". Only Bioware holds that power ... dang them! 

* valued at $.02

....I don't even get what you're trying to tell me. You're not assuming I'm against same sex relationships, right? I hope you're not.
And yes, Bioware holds the power. Which is something the article, in my opinion, ignores. The articles seems to go at it from the angle that ANY character in the game will be as we want them to be, not just Shepard...and while I'd LIKE that, I can't agree with that.

[paptschik]

RinjiRenee wrote...

paptschik wrote...

To be fair, I don't think there would be much of an outrage about, say, Vega being gay either.

Except that some players would automatically rule him out as being a "bro" and would probably refuse to interact with him.  I wasn't too shocked to find out that some people thought that male Shepard becoming bi/gay in ME3 would be a retcon of epic proportion.

Well, THAT is an entirely different issue. Of course that is nonsense. Shepard is clay that demands to be molded and nothing else.

[shepskisaac]

paptschik wrote...
Pretty boring article...like, I think most here could write it better and be better at taking some concerns of people that  fear change of past characters into concern. (sorry for the two concerns in there, my english is failing me right now)

He did take the concerns of people that fear the change and explained why these concerns have no basis and why there's no any change. If a concern makes no sense, no one should take it into an account.

[paptschik]

IsaacShep wrote...

paptschik wrote...
Pretty boring article...like, I think most here could write it better and be better at taking some concerns of people that  fear change of past characters into concern. (sorry for the two concerns in there, my english is failing me right now)

He did take the concerns of people that fear the change and explained why these concerns have no basis and why there's no any change. If a concern makes no sense, no one should take it into an account.

That sounds like a pretty harsh "your opinions don't matter, so go suck it". Maybe that wasn't your intention, but I'm not sure what was.
Personal preferences and views of characters are perfectly acceptable and if someone does not like something, that is in their right. And again, the article completely ignored that Shepard aside, there things are NOT in the hands of the player. So they have a basis.
I  mean, if people are against homosexuality in general...well, frankly, they can't be helped (even if they still have every right to voice their opinion somewhere). But what is suddenly so inacceptable about thinking "i would like character x to be bi, but character b to be straight"? I mean, that is something that many have said in this thread, many can see certain characters as only straight and many want their favorite characters, of course, available to the romance of their choice.

[shepskisaac]

paptschik wrote...
That sounds like a pretty harsh "your opinions don't matter, so go suck it". Maybe that wasn't your intention, but I'm not sure what was.

Urhm, if an opinion is illogical, makes no sense and has no basis in facts, why exactly should it matter? When you're designing a bridge you will review all opinions & studies but in the end you won't take into account these that were found false and had no basis in facts. If you did, the bridge could collapse.

paptschik wrote...
Personal preferences and views of characters are perfectly acceptable and if someone does not like something, that is in their right.

Of course it's their right, they can think whatever they want but it doesn't mean these personal view & preferences are logical.

paptschik wrote...
And again, the article completely ignored that Shepard aside, there things are NOT in the hands of the player. So they have a basis.

What do you mean?

paptschik wrote...
I  mean, if people are against homosexuality in general...well, frankly, they can't be helped (even if they still have every right to voice their opinion somewhere). But what is suddenly so inacceptable about thinking "i would like character x to be bi, but character b to be straight"? I mean, that is something that many have said in this thread, many can see certain characters as only straight and many want their favorite characters, of course, available to the romance of their choice.

You said it yourself, people want characters to be bi to have an option to romance them, it's a gameplay gain. People who want everyone to be straight and not bi don't gain anything gameplay-wise from it, they only thing it they achieve is blocking other players from having content.

[Siansonea]

Let's not get too far off track, folks. It's okay to disagree in this thread, it's a friendly discussion.

[PMC65]

paptschik wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

So sorry you found the article "boring" ... I have stated my opinion* previously and go with the "You bought your game, I bought mine = I won't tell you how to play yours, please don't tell me how to play mine". Only Bioware holds that power ... dang them! 

* valued at $.02

....I don't even get what you're trying to tell me. You're not assuming I'm against same sex relationships, right? I hope you're not.
And yes, Bioware holds the power. Which is something the article, in my opinion, ignores. The articles seems to go at it from the angle that ANY character in the game will be as we want them to be, not just Shepard...and while I'd LIKE that, I can't agree with that.

I am not assuming anything ... trust me. I myself was implied to be a homophobe because I said that I understand others concerns about s/s then made a joke about Garrus hitting on my MShep while dressed in a Liberace outfit. I guess I forgot to put that I was just joking, although the Liberace outfit should have been the dead giveaway. The Garrus joke was in reference to how the predator femshep acts around Jacob, no matter if she likes him or not. I do not ever want to experience that kind of "icky" on any of my Sheps no matter who the character is (straight or gay).

There are differences of opinions of who should, who shouldn't, or too late should have been in ME or ME2, etc. I've seen the same arguments go round & round and I'm just finis. I hope that everyone can have the best experience with the ME universe since the real world can have many woes, worries & diseases. I myself have had a rough year and the game has been my breather from reality when it got too much (thanks Liara, Ash, Wrex, Miranda, etc). How you play does not impact my game so romancing Garrus? Good. Making out with Jack? Rock on. I vote open the characters up like Garrus where Shepard has to move that relationship from friends to lovers. I did not romance Garrus and my femshep & Garrus have NO idea that other people have them romping ... and I don't care. Their game, not mine. If it gives them a little break from tough times, or not tough times ... that's a good thing. 

So if someone is s/s Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda, Garrus, etc and it does not impact my game what is the issue? I don't plan on a m/m relationship but I won't begrudge someone else having what they want. But at the end of the day it is Bioware's choice not mine.Whatever they decide ... I'll happily go along.

I like the article because it touches on how we each are crafting our own story and how that impacts not only Shepard but the characters around him/her. This can be applied not only regarding s/s but in o/s and friendships or lack thereof. Nothing more, nothing less. You take from the article what you want and throw away the rest.

[paptschik]

IsaacShep wrote...

Urhm, if an opinion is illogical, makes no sense and has no basis in facts, why exactly should it matter? When you're designing a bridge you will review all opinions & studies but in the end you won't take into account these that were found false and had no basis in facts. If you did, the bridge could collapse.

People wanting characters to be bi also serves no fact. It is something they wish for. That is it. There is no need whatsoever to get romances at all, but we want them. Some people just happen to prefer certain characters to be straight. I'm not saying "everyone should straight or else grarrghrah rage". I'm saying that it is perfectly reasonable that by now people see characters in a certain way and for them to want the characters to be that way.
Obviously, there are those who already play the game with a bi/gay Kaiden or whoever else in mind. And it makes perfect sense for them to want Kaiden to be bi and I personally could totally see it. But that is just another opinion. It is a wish.  Many want Kaiden to be bi for one reason: They like him. Others for another reason: They look at what has happened, they look at certain scenes with him and already see him as a bi character. Which is totally cool for them. But why would it be wrong for others to prefer something else? You need to understand: Not everyone that wants certain characters to be straight is on a witch hunt against all homosexual being and more important, their opinion has as much value as those of people wanting certain characters to be gay/bi. 
I agree that personal preferences have to be logical. But for many people it IS logical that certain characters are straight. For me, Kaiden bi? Would make sense. Garrus bi? I don't see it. At all.
Others would disagree. Others would say Kaiden is totally straight but Garrus, hey, why not.
The preferences of those supporting certain characters to be bi is by no means all that superior to the preferences of those wanting them to be straight. Either way they are just that: Preferences.

What do you mean?.

That was in regards to the article. The article is written in a way that says "you can decide if Garrus, Tali, Kaiden, Ashley or whoever is gay, bi or straight". But that is, of course, not the case. We may have our head canon, but in the end, in regards to those characters, bioware has control. So I think that people hoping for their own head canon to not be officially confirmed as wrong have a basis for said concerns.

You said it yourself, people want characters to be bi to have an option to romance them, it's a gameplay gain. People who want everyone to be straight and not bi don't gain anything gameplay-wise from it, they only thing it they achieve is blocking other players from having content.

Again, just to point this out: I SUPPORT SAME SEX RELATIONSHIPS.
But I still want some characters to be straight. Not because I'm against gay people, not because I want to take content away from people, but because I just have views of certain characters and I, of course, would like to be right in the way I view them and have my personal preference confirmed.
Same sex relationships are in the game. So the content WILL be there. But now it is about WHO will be available. Many want older crewmembers, for obvious reasons, but that too can be seen as just a preference. They would prefer to romance the characters they already like. But if they only get to romance new characters (and I'm not even saying that is how it should entirely be, because I CAN see it for some characters, as I have pointed out), they'd still have their content. Just not in the way they would've prefered.

See, I'm not arguing against same sex relationships. I'm arguing against saying what seems to amount to "yeah, no, your opinion is worthless, so go into the corner and be ashamed of yourself" just because people don't entirely agree with you.

[paptschik]

PMC65 wrote...

paptschik wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

So sorry you found the article "boring" ... I have stated my opinion* previously and go with the "You bought your game, I bought mine = I won't tell you how to play yours, please don't tell me how to play mine". Only Bioware holds that power ... dang them! 

* valued at $.02

....I don't even get what you're trying to tell me. You're not assuming I'm against same sex relationships, right? I hope you're not.
And yes, Bioware holds the power. Which is something the article, in my opinion, ignores. The articles seems to go at it from the angle that ANY character in the game will be as we want them to be, not just Shepard...and while I'd LIKE that, I can't agree with that.

I am not assuming anything ... trust me. I myself was implied to be a homophobe because I said that I understand others concerns about s/s then made a joke about Garrus hitting on my MShep while dressed in a Liberace outfit. I guess I forgot to put that I was just joking, although the Liberace outfit should have been the dead giveaway. The Garrus joke was in reference to how the predator femshep acts around Jacob, no matter if she likes him or not. I do not ever want to experience that kind of "icky" on any of my Sheps no matter who the character is (straight or gay).

There are differences of opinions of who should, who shouldn't, or too late should have been in ME or ME2, etc. I've seen the same arguments go round & round and I'm just finis. I hope that everyone can have the best experience with the ME universe since the real world can have many woes, worries & diseases. I myself have had a rough year and the game has been my breather from reality when it got too much (thanks Liara, Ash, Wrex, Miranda, etc). How you play does not impact my game so romancing Garrus? Good. Making out with Jack? Rock on. I vote open the characters up like Garrus where Shepard has to move that relationship from friends to lovers. I did not romance Garrus and my femshep & Garrus have NO idea that other people have them romping ... and I don't care. Their game, not mine. If it gives them a little break from tough times, or not tough times ... that's a good thing. 

So if someone is s/s Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda, Garrus, etc and it does not impact my game what is the issue? I don't plan on a m/m relationship but I won't begrudge someone else having what they want. But at the end of the day it is Bioware's choice not mine.Whatever they decide ... I'll happily go along.

I like the article because it touches on how we each are crafting our own story and how that impacts not only Shepard but the characters around him/her. This can be applied not only regarding s/s but in o/s and friendships or lack thereof. Nothing more, nothing less. You take from the article what you want and throw away the rest.

Oh, I agree with you generally, I just think the article didn't get what it should've gotten across as well as you did right there. To me the article seemed to not say "you can decide who Shepard is with" but "you can decide whether someone is bi or straight", which is of course a silly thought unless said someone is Shepard.

[shepskisaac]

paptschik wrote...
People wanting characters to be bi also serves no fact. It is something they wish for. That is it.

The main difference is that we don't say "it's a fact they're bi", while majority of the people who don't want them to be bi do say "it's a fact/canon they're straight" while it's not. Nothing against you, because you say it openly "I just want them to be straight only because that's how I see them". But most don't say that. Most say that's it's an established canon they're straight even though these characters never confirm nor deny it.

[1136342t54_]

I can understand some points of the Article and consistency issues but personally Shepard can still be homosexual, hetero or bi since there really isn't anywhere in the games that pretty much put Shepard in one camp. The only people I think it may not work with is Garrus or Tali. Of course its possible that Turian or Quarian culture may have a problem with homosexuality or maybe certain Turian clans may see it as a little taboo. Quarian culture may see it as a waste since Quarians need to reproduce for the whole species to survive and you can't do that with a s/s partner. You can go even further into more extreme way that it could be seen as immoral by some since in a way its going against there species.

Of course a lot of these are general assumptions that if Garrus or Tali is bi in the next game Bioware may address it.

[paptschik]

IsaacShep wrote...

paptschik wrote...
People wanting characters to be bi also serves no fact. It is something they wish for. That is it.

The main difference is that we don't say "it's a fact they're bi", while majority of the people who don't want them to be bi do say "it's a fact/canon they're straight" while it's not. Nothing against you, because you say it openly "I just want them to be straight only because that's how I see them". But most don't say that. Most say that's it's an established canon they're straight even though these characters never confirm nor deny it.

I think even saying most is a bit much. There is a huge number of people that blow this out of proportion, but they more often than not move straight into troll territory. There are still enough people willing to have a discussion and I just wouldn't ignore their opinion and group them with those that have rather extreme views. That wouldn't do anybody any good.
I get that it has to be frustrating. I can't imagine how much, but I'm sure it is. But such is the card one is dealt if going for the whole higher road thing.

[MisterJB]

1136342t54 wrote...
 Quarian culture may see it as a waste since Quarians need to reproduce for the whole species to survive and you can't do that with a s/s partner.

It's not like Tali will be able to reproduce with ManShep, so that's no justification for her not to be an S/S romance in ME3.

Modifié par MisterJB, 23 juin 2011 - 02:19 .

[1136342t54_]

MisterJB wrote...

It's not like Tali will be able to reproduce with ManShep, so that's no justification for her not to be an S/S romance in ME3.

Its not good that you just posted that since you didn't see how I tried to further explain it. Its not a justification for it but in a culture like that more conservative groups will likely press a lot more into each generation making it always uncomfortable to even attempt a s/s romance. Also that whole explanation wasn't a reason for not having a s/s romance in ME3 it was a reason why they could explain why they didn't have it in ME2 but put it in ME3 since Garrus and Tali could eventually through the years be more open to it. 

[MisterJB]

1136342t54 wrote...
Its not good that you just posted that since you didn't see how I tried to further explain it. Its not a justification for it but in a culture like that more conservative groups will likely press a lot more into each generation making it always uncomfortable to even attempt a s/s romance. Also that whole explanation wasn't a reason for not having a s/s romance in ME3 it was a reason why they could explain why they didn't have it in ME2 but put it in ME3 since Garrus and Tali could eventually through the years be more open to it. 

Ah, then I misunderstood what you meant. I apologize and agree with you.

[Abispa]

There has been nothing I've seen in the game to indicated that whether or not Turians and Quarians have cultural taboos against homosexuality, unless it's part of some codex I never bother to read. Listening to the background chatter in ME2 makes it sound like Turians especially seem to enjoy sexual experimentation with aliens, though.

Yeah, I know, the Asari are a given.

One could argue whether or not Tali has a moral responsibility to her race as a potential mother in a species that is on the verge of extinction to have at least one child, but I suppose it's possible that she could be inseminated and bear Quarian children while still being in a relationship with Shepard, male or female. I'm sure Quarian children adopted by humans will still be allowed into the fleet.

Once I start thinking about sex in the ME universe, I find myself wondering about so many facets of love and sexuality of dozens of species, and thanks to this site, I often do so "out loud." I just want to assure Chris Priestly and anyone else from Bioware that when the game comes out I will be spending my time thinking of ways to blow **** up. I won't lose focus.