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[Espurr]

Halarid wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Halarid wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Why would they do that when Ashley has been RIGHT THERE? They had planned for Kaiden and Ashley to be S/S options in the first game but canned it, and now suddenly Kaiden gets to be S/S and Ashley doesn't? I don't see the reasoning there.

Suck it up, princess. Considering what they did with ME 1 and 2, they "owed" way more to those who wanted a gay male romance.

dude. not nice. this isnt about who is owed what. its about people being disappointed that the guys get to romance the character theyve wanted since me1 while we dont

They're disappointed because the guys got the romance ... ? You see how there's something inherently wrong with the way both of you expressed it?

Instead of simply saying: We're disappointed Ashley is not a romance option for femshep.

You formulate it by adding: "because guys got Kaidan".

Again, suck it up. You got the female alien. 

Seriously dude? We've all said multiple times that we're happy for the guys. I offered to make us our own thread so we didn't rain on your parade. Stop being a dick about it.

[katerinafm]

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Ryzaki wrote...

katerinafm wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

katerinafm wrote...
What exactly do you mean? Is this something new or are you talking about the super happy flower field endings we have? XD Because I'm pretty sure Liara's plotshield doesn't apply here?

Super flower happy field ending of course. XD Every LI can avoid the flower field except the s/s ones. XD 

How can your LI avoid it? I'm pretty sure I read that regardless of LI your crew is forced to...dance in the flower field...XDD

If the LI is told to stay with his/her people or not to serve on the Normandy he/she can avoid flower field.

Alas can't do that for the s/s romances. Heck even initating the romances means they're stuck in flower field. BS I say.

Also unfortunate implications to the fullest considering what happens in the flower field.

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That means that Liara can't avoid the flower field either. And the s/s romances stay on the Normandy regardless of romance as far as I know? :S And telling the VS to leave would end the romance...

Modifié par katerinafm, 01 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[MinervaHamster]

Sylvianus wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...
So basically, all I have is Cortez since I killed Kaidan. Thanks Bioware, I appreciate it! <_<

My femshep doesn't have any option, it seems. ( I hoped Vega ) Kaidan is dead in my playthrought. Maybe Garrus will be available again in m3.

Exactly. When it comes to ME3 romances Femshep seems a little lacking without Ash.
The only Romance in ME3 that Manshep can't get now is Sam. While Femshep can't have Ashley or Steve.
I guess It's fair because of the Liara thing but Manshep has that too...

[SolidBeast]

Stop with the ending spoilers. I did NOT need to know what I had to do to avoid whatever the **** happens in the end.

[Halarid]

ToastPants wrote...

Seriously dude? We've all said multiple times that we're happy for the guys. I offered to make us our own thread so we didn't rain on your parade. Stop being a dick about it.

I'll stop being a dick about it when you stop being a sheep about it.

[coldSnap]

SolidBeast wrote...

KaidanLover wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ok mystery solved, crisis averted xD Don't worry kate!

KAIDAN IS BI!!! :DDDDD

Are you sure, like 100% sure, no doubt whatsoever? Cuz I cant take much more emotional backlash.

Yes. We have the audio files. Check the group.

@TMA - Ashley is most likely NOT an option.

I have one thing to say to this

[Maugrim]

catabuca wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

So basically, all I have is Cortez since I killed Kaidan. Thanks Bioware, I appreciate it! <_<

I wish Vega was also available, but don't you like Cortez?  He's also great! 

I think it's more that there are numerous f/f choices, and the one guaranteed m/m choice that everyone will have in their game isn't even a full squad member. Well, that's how I see it anyway.

It just leaves it feeling a little like an empty gesture, when the decks are still stacked, as they always have been, in favour of hot chicks.

Hot chicks for straight men.  Look I love Liara but the reason she, Kelly and Diana are open to men is because well as you said hot chicks. 

I get that some of you don't care about intentions, only results but intentions do matter to a lot of people including me.  I'm happy to see Samantha and I will  make a final judgement on her romance after  I see if for myself but there are some suspect overtones our new F/F romance.  I mean the two new options don't do bubkiss for the largest demographic so on that front the gay guys got more and ya'll kinda even deserve it so I'm happy for you.  But please don't act like the F/F romances to date have been for the lesbian/bi girl communities benefit.

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

Also unfortunate implications to the fullest considering what happens in the flower field.

Don't remind me.

Grrrr...so pissed about that.

[Espurr]

Halarid wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Seriously dude? We've all said multiple times that we're happy for the guys. I offered to make us our own thread so we didn't rain on your parade. Stop being a dick about it.

I'll stop being a dick about it when you stop being a sheep about it.

Mmmkay, that entire statement confuses me. But, been nice chatting with you.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also unfortunate implications to the fullest considering what happens in the flower field.

Don't remind me.

Grrrr...so pissed about that.

?

(don't tell me if it's a real spoiler)

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[SolidBeast]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also unfortunate implications to the fullest considering what happens in the flower field.

Don't remind me.

Grrrr...so pissed about that.

?

Keep. It. Out. Of. The. Thread.

[DoubleMMia]

In risk of sounding ridiculously stupid, what on earth do you guys mean by the 'flower field?' o.O

[Maugrim]

SolidBeast wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also unfortunate implications to the fullest considering what happens in the flower field.

Don't remind me.

Grrrr...so pissed about that.

?

Keep. It. Out. Of. The. Thread.

+1

[Frozen83]

I like Steve. Maybe even more then Kaidan (from what spoilers I've read). He's a real man, tells you that he finds you attractive and so on. I like him a lot. M.

[Sun and Snow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Super flower happy field ending of course. XD Every LI can avoid the flower field except the s/s ones. XD 

This is what came to mind... (not a ME related link so no spoilers)

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Sun and Snow, 01 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[goodventure]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

You guys and gals are such DOWNERS! lol Sure, I'm happy (100x so) that I got Kaidan, and I am also sorry for you females who couldn't get Ashley. And that one person was completely rude by saying "suck it up gay male romance was deserved" we didn't "deserve" anything. We're the consumers of a video game the biggest important thing about the series is the over all story itself, the relationships are there for those that want them, so they didn't HAVE to give a M/M for Kaidan, and they didn't HAVE to add a new character in the form of Cortez, especially for Shepard. Nor did they HAVE to add Jessica Chobot's voiced character, nor the other chick, for lesbian options for FemSheps.

I take what I can get, and I'm excited as hell to hear that I got what I wanted. So I'm going to end this doom and gloom by being excited for the games release, and kick that schedule of emotions we will be going through on this forum to the curb. lol

That's the best way to look at it!

[jlb524]

makenzieshepard wrote...
But please don't act like the F/F romances to date have been for the lesbian/bi girl communities benefit.

I'm not sure what to think of stuff like this.

On one hand, I know that I have benefitted from these romances (and probably will benefit from Sam's).

Of course I know that the idea is that these romances are added for 'straight dudes'.

But how would they differ if they were for the lesbian/bi girl community?

Would Ashley's had been for the lesbian/bi girl community?  If so, why?

Who are the m/m romances for then?

[Eternal Dust]

makenzieshepard wrote...

catabuca wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

So basically, all I have is Cortez since I killed Kaidan. Thanks Bioware, I appreciate it! <_<

I wish Vega was also available, but don't you like Cortez?  He's also great! 

I think it's more that there are numerous f/f choices, and the one guaranteed m/m choice that everyone will have in their game isn't even a full squad member. Well, that's how I see it anyway.

It just leaves it feeling a little like an empty gesture, when the decks are still stacked, as they always have been, in favour of hot chicks.

Hot chicks for straight men.  Look I love Liara but the reason she, Kelly and Diana are open to men is because well as you said hot chicks. 

I get that some of you don't care about intentions, only results but intentions do matter to a lot of people including me.  I'm happy to see Samantha and I will  make a final judgement on her romance after  I see if for myself but there are some suspect overtones our new F/F romance.  I mean the two new options don't do bubkiss for the largest demographic so on that front the gay guys got more and ya'll kinda even deserve it so I'm happy for you.  But please don't act like the F/F romances to date have been for the lesbian/bi girl communities benefit.

This.

[Ryzaki]

SolidBeast wrote...

Stop with the ending spoilers. I did NOT need to know what I had to do to avoid whatever the **** happens in the end.

Ah my bad. 

katerinafm wrote...
That means that Liara can't avoid the
flower field either. And the s/s romances stay on the Normandy
regardless of romance as far as I know? :S And telling the VS to leave
would end the romance...

No she can't. Actually it doesn't for the het versions of the continuing romance.

Anyways for more back and forth PM me.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
But please don't act like the F/F romances to date have been for the lesbian/bi girl communities benefit.

I'm not sure what to think of stuff like this.

On one hand, I know that I have benefitted from these romances (and probably will benefit from Sam's).

Of course I know that the idea is that these romances are added for 'straight dudes'.

But how would they differ if they were for the lesbian/bi girl community?

Would Ashley's had been for the lesbian/bi girl community?  If so, why?

Who are the m/m romances for then?

I would never consider a character written for a certain group unless it's exclusive. After all, Garrus' romance wasn't written for men. Same with Jacob's.

[FoxHound109]

katerinafm wrote...

Yeah but doesn't he say that only if you approach him and talk to him? Most fans that don't want the gayz in their game would avoid talking to him throughout the entire game if they already know that he is romanceable by mShep. 

This. Unless he outright says it, then it's pretty much a problem. Meanwhile, the DA team made several options available AND had Anders hit on maleHawke through the story. The Mass Effect team wishes it had HALF the courage of the DA team.

bas_kon wrote...
I get you why you're upset, I really get it. But Kaidan has always being the most wanted returning male character, and male character in general for s/s, afaik. So I don't think it's a safe choice, but giving most of m/m fans what they want. 
In fact, James wouldn't make anyone from Recon Team complain, since he is a new character and they don't care about them yet. 
Now if you told me that Vega should have had Cortez' romance arc, and have been made totally gay instead of adding another NPC and having him be a quasi-romance (don't know if he's bi), I would agree with you. 
But I, like so many others, am happy to get Kaidan, because we wanted to romance him since we first saw him in the cockpit of SR1.

 

No, he was a safe choice. I don't care what Recon Team says; if you honestly believe his argument was about character integrity, then you're completely missing the obvious problem. Kaidan is the safe choice because he can be dead, and the one game where you are FORCED to deal with him (Mass Effect 1) never shows his bisexuality. So basically, if I'm a homophobe and don't want any "gay" in my game I can easily pretend that Kaidan is straight, kill him off in ME, and then carry on with the game as if I'm right. He's not a truly bisexual character: he is optionally bisexual. If Cortez is anything like Kelly, then I'm pretty sure you can avoid him altogether. 

Modifié par FoxHound109, 01 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[Maugrim]

jlb524 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
But please don't act like the F/F romances to date have been for the lesbian/bi girl communities benefit.

I'm not sure what to think of stuff like this.

On one hand, I know that I have benefitted from these romances (and probably will benefit from Sam's).

Of course I know that the idea is that these romances are added for 'straight dudes'.

But how would they differ if they were for the lesbian/bi girl community?

Would Ashley's had been for the lesbian/bi girl community?  If so, why?

Who are the m/m romances for then?

TBH they wouldn't be hugely different I think, mostly it would be in the overtones in the ones like Kelly and Samtha the stripper  bits and the shower scene might be differnt.  It's hard to find anything wrong with something in isolation but string many incidents toghther and you suspect things are not what they seem.  And no I don't think Ash would've been inherently for the gay/bi community I don't like not having her but that's not the issue here.  And again TBH I wouldn't be complaining most likely because I would've got what I wanted and damn the rest, I am only human!

As for who the m/m romances they are for gay and bi men who are stil a much larger community than gay women.  This also ties in to issues with the whole equality movement but it's probably not wise to get into that here.

[Eternal Dust]

jlb524 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
But please don't act like the F/F romances to date have been for the lesbian/bi girl communities benefit.

I'm not sure what to think of stuff like this.

On one hand, I know that I have benefitted from these romances (and probably will benefit from Sam's).

Of course I know that the idea is that these romances are added for 'straight dudes'.

But how would they differ if they were for the lesbian/bi girl community?

Would Ashley's had been for the lesbian/bi girl community?  If so, why?

Who are the m/m romances for then?

For me, Ashley is different because in ME1 she wasn't sexualized and portrayed in such a way that is considered fan-service. A lot of people hate her because she has strong opinions; some don't even find her physically attractive. As much as I like Liara, the asari are so blantantly created for titillation it's ridiculous. A race of blue alien chicks that can mate with anyone regardless of gender or race? And they have boooobs and are background strippers in most clubs in the ME universe. Oh my!

[Espurr]

Eternal Dust wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

catabuca wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

So basically, all I have is Cortez since I killed Kaidan. Thanks Bioware, I appreciate it! <_<

I wish Vega was also available, but don't you like Cortez?  He's also great! 

I think it's more that there are numerous f/f choices, and the one guaranteed m/m choice that everyone will have in their game isn't even a full squad member. Well, that's how I see it anyway.

It just leaves it feeling a little like an empty gesture, when the decks are still stacked, as they always have been, in favour of hot chicks.

Hot chicks for straight men.  Look I love Liara but the reason she, Kelly and Diana are open to men is because well as you said hot chicks. 

I get that some of you don't care about intentions, only results but intentions do matter to a lot of people including me.  I'm happy to see Samantha and I will  make a final judgement on her romance after  I see if for myself but there are some suspect overtones our new F/F romance.  I mean the two new options don't do bubkiss for the largest demographic so on that front the gay guys got more and ya'll kinda even deserve it so I'm happy for you.  But please don't act like the F/F romances to date have been for the lesbian/bi girl communities benefit.

This.

x3 that is literally the only reason that there have been more f/f options throughout the game.

It's also worth mentioning that 90% of the f/f romances (Liara being the exception) up till now have been "flings" (not counting Sam at this point since we haven't actually seen what her romance is like). Which in its self implies certain things.

The fact that they included m/m at all is actually pretty awesome and impressive and makes me personally happy since it (unlike f/f) isn't typically seen as benefiting anyone outside the GLBT community. That says a lot.

[wisperhill]

admit, kaiden was boring and annoying as hell in mass effect1. They made him now more intresting and bi but nobody could predict that in 2007 .
Besides you made other key choices who are not made in a new playout in mass effect 3